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had the dog out last Sunday and flushed 11 birds in two hours. Dropped three total one for each gun in the party. Wish I could head out tomorrow but juggling a young family and a passion for flushing dogs proves difficult. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What people are failing to realize is that this has nothing to do with animal cruelty, but everything to do with the fact that this hound is used for hunting. This is a common tactic used anymore around the country. PETA gets in the local SPCA, and they go after the working dogs and hunters' beagles and hounds that are kept outside. This story is just beginning if he doesn't nip it in the bud now. Maybe the local SPCA is still legit, but if it is, he has a neighbor that is in PETA or another nonsense animal rights group. When i ran competition with my hounds, this was tried on me, and I dealt with it thanks to a little birdie that told me what was going to happen. Lets just say that the average, nosey person does not like a shotgun cycling behind them when they are sneaking around someone else's property.

Again, there were other options available to the Feds. They chose to create a scenario where some form of violence was almost assured. When I first bought my property I had problems with raccoons. I put out a bait pile for a few nights and when there were a dozen or so coming in regularly I set up and killed one. The others never came back. I did it because I didn't want them on my property and I had to teach them a lesson. The Federal Government believes they have sent a message to The People of this country about who is in charge. I believe they've misjudged the situation.

Anyone notice how rioters and looters can destroy private property, or a business that took someone years of sacrifice to build, and not get shot, or even arrested, while some guys can occupy some piece of Federal property, without doing anything else, and get killed by federal agents? Does anyone else see the government attitude here? Do you believe the government is applying equal justice under the law? When did an offense committed against the government become more worthy of criminal consequences than crimes against citizens? Don't overlook the fact the government actually made excuses for the crimes against civilians, while viciously condemning the occupiers on "their" land. The moronic masses that aimlessly follow the government agenda don't have a clue what sheep they are.

If he planned a shootout, they would have had guns blazing when they pulled up, in the protection of the vehicle. Sad part is there was not a mass of people there to support them rather than burying their head in the sand with the it does not effect me attitude

The gun is a CZ USA bobwhite in 28 gauge with 26" barrels. It's my go to grouse gun after logging many miles the 5lb 12oz. Gun is barely noticed. And it's quick to the shoulder with overlapping patterns. I couldn't ask for much more out of an attractive side by side for under six hundred bucks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I finally got home from the Shot Show after a storm on the east coast delayed most flights across the country. First real night home so I decided to go hunt my dog. When I got home my wife says I just missed the SPCA. Turns out someone walking down the road (best I can figure from the details I've put together) doesn't understand that hunting hounds are not lazy fat house dogs. They're in shape and they reported me saying he was malnourished. There's my first problem. They didn't come over and talk to me or take the time to learn what is really going on. But they did the "right" thing and reported it. I can get over that until I figure out who it was. What really set me off is that come to find out they showed up with a Sheriff Deputy and before knocking on the door they trespassed to the far end of my yard to inspect my kennel. You can see from the road the dog was obviously not in it. It was night time and the lights in the house were on. There was no reason for them to conduct a warrant less search. Had I been home and they had knocked first I would have shown them the dog. My hound has a feeder. He as access to nearly unlimited food 24/7. He's just active and very fit. Now that they violated my fourth amendment I'm exercising my fifth and they'll never see him. What if the dog was being abused. They would have just thrown out their whole case because they couldn't stop and ask first! Hopefully they learn from all the formal complaints I'm going to file. Oh and neither of them ever identified themselves to my wife. They just knocked on the door and started asking questions. Luckily she had the sense not to open the door until she knew who at least the SPCA person was. The Deputy though never identified himself and my wife thought he was another SPCA officer. Talked to the supervisor at the Sheriff's station late the next afternoon. I tore into him (nice and professional like) about how his officer failed to identify himself to my wife. Then went onto explain how his officer would have been responsible for jeopardizing the case had my dog actually been abused. I made sure to explain to him how I knew the difference between criminal trespassing and technical trespassing (which is what the officer did). Said I would have been nice and assisted in the investigation but now that they violated my fourth amendment I was going to exercise my fifth. Now they can't see the dog without a warrant so don't bother coming back. And I have pictures of both their foot prints in the snow. He said he had to wait a couple of days for the deputy to go back on duty but he was calling the SPCA officer immediately to get their side of the story. I said that's fine but don't come back without a warrant. Know your rights and don't give into the intimidation of law enforcement. Also obey the law and respect your animals.

So between all the arguing, are you narrowing it down to anything?Let me back up my recommendation. I started predator hunting with a Remington 597 semi auto .22, lost two dogs after a long track job and decided to switch, started taking out my Remington mod 700 in 6mm ( basically a .243), had multiple dogs come in on a perfect set and there was no way I could get a second shot off at another dog...besides the fact it did terrible things to the pelt. So I saved my pennies and got the AR. Not only is it at tack driver at any range, but follow up shots are a breeze. Vmax 53 grain are also pretty easy on the pelts. Its my yote, fox, Chuck and " fun " gun. Ammo for paper is cheap, anybody can shoot it and have lots of fun at the range. A bolt action will save u some $$ but I think you may want to consider an AR. My .02

The two vehicles were headed for a meeting in neighboring Grant County, the Sheriff of which had told the FBI in no uncertain terms that he would not go along with their actions and that they had no jurisdiction in his county.​ The FBI has complete jurisdiction anywhere when they are investigating a federal crime, No matter how many ways you keep trying to spin this in order to place the blame on others these right wing militia criminals have no one other then themselves to blame for their criminal actions. As for your claim that people in Harney County are supporting these criminals and looking to oust the sheriff I would like to see where you gathered this info from since everyone else is reporting the complete opposite. And maybe the Government is sending a message to any other fools who are thinking about doing something similar.

Maybe these guys should start looting Portland and burning it to the ground in response to the shooting. Perhaps the authorities would be told by the DOJ to stand down if they do.

Probably because he was occupying a federal facility, unlawfully. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

You're missing the bigger picture. Why did the Federal Government feel it was necessary to put Finicum in that position in the first place? It wasn't their only option.

Same could be said about someone fleeing from authorities that has a helicopter, roadblock, multiple agents pointing guns at you, and likely screaming to get down on the floor. Yet, he seamed to ignore all that, and did what he did anyway. Was he really the sharpest tool in the shed? X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Same can be said about a lot of members

Only way to clear this debate up is to show dash cam video with sound. Right now everyone is speculating. I have watched the video 5 or 6 times and his arm movement seems weird. Could he be grabbing at a gunshot wound? That makes sense. Could he be going for his gun? Maybe that too. Although I will say if someone already has a gun pointed at you, you are stupid to think you can pull a gun to get a shot off. Also, if he was going for a gun, why didn't he come out of the truck shooting? To many unanswered questions with this whole thing. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk

For now… But then again, I find it hard to believe that you even own a firearm. Legally at least..

You are right. As I said he starts the idiotic threads and housecat punkie joins in. I do not think it is coincidence

Another with all the complaints and no real solutions. Wait until the ammo background checks go into effect. In other words have you bothered to really know what it entails? I doubt it. I bet you have a bernie sticker in the window of your parents basement where you no doubt live. What a piece of work.

Video, enhanced for closeup view. It tracks precisely with the FBI video, IME. https://www.metabunk.org/m/Finicum.html Seems to me like the man was shot before he reached for his gun, and was actually reaching for his first wound.

Shell steaks off the grill and homemade potato salad.

And I think people who have to carry a 300 Mag rifle to shoot a whitetail deer are compensating for something. With that said................... The woman who was asking me for help went with a 9mm. I did try to talk her up to at least a 40 S&W, but no go. She has never fired any weapon before and the g/f volunteered me to help her out with caliber and selection. Yes, she already took her course. Man, going to all those shops made me want another shotgun and rifle. She was happy with what she picked. I did talk her into a mid size pistol though. A little more weight will help with the recoil. Better for a first pistol IMO. I was glad to help and it got me another private land spot to hunt.

I appreciate the link with the complicated belt driven machinery. About 50 years ago I worked in a local woodworking shop that built a variety of wooden products , from simple wood pallets to tool handles... The shop was powered by a big gasoline engine ( which also powered the attached sawmill) and various machines were attached to a huge shaft via complicated gearing, leather belts, and bavit ( sp ?) bearings...

Barrels were being made way before the 19th century W/O lathes on forges where an iron strap was forge welded around a mandrel. The welded barrel blank was reamed until the bore was round then hand rifled with spiral guide whittled from wood. Beretta is the oldest manufacture of firearms on earth having started out making barrels in 1526, most likely smooth bores in the early days..Shotgun barrels were made by forge welding twisted wire around a mandrel. This is how a 'Damascus" barrel is made. In "Foxfire 5" it goes through every step required to make a muzzleloading rifle by hand forging all the parts. It also details how to lay out & make the "rifling roll". Basically one uses a chalk line laid out at an angle using the diameter of the wooden pole & the rate of twist. The pole is rolled over the chalk line leaving the spiral chalk line mark. The difficulty in building the gun that is the subject of this thread would be in making the complex shapes of the cylinder, receiver, etc. Around the middle part of the 19th century, arms makers like Colt, Spencer, etc started using some pretty sophisticated machinery. The stock duplicating machines were a wonder in themselves. The "primitive" aspect of their machinery was more related to how it was driven than capability. Until steam power became prevalent, water power was used W/complicated power transmission belts, pulleys, gears etc. I will try to find some images on how the hand rifling fixtures are made.

i I carry my .32 inside my purse then ?!

Try adding some OJ to the Italian dressing marinade some time. It's what I use for wild turkey breasts, dash of crushed red pepper and then wrapped in bacon for smoker.

Went out after cottontails this morning with my BIL and his pup. Had another great morning. We bumped three and ended up getting one. The dog did a great job getting on the scent and found the bunny. Now he has one to freeze and train more with. Chance also hopped after a blue Jay and a gray squirrel today. Was fun watching him work and learn and some great exercise. Hope to get back out next Sunday.

Dog owners lives matter!

Armored vehicles, helicopter surveillance, and snipers at two different roadblocks for a "traffic stop"? The two vehicles were headed for a meeting in neighboring Grant County, the Sheriff of which had told the FBI in no uncertain terms that he would not go along with their actions and that they had no jurisdiction in his county. Finicum knew that if he made it past the roadblock and into Grant County he and his passengers would be safe. He didn't account for the second roadblock. Despite what you've probably heard there is a great deal of local support for what these folks are doing. Harney County residents are renewing their effort to oust the corrupt Sheriff Ward and Judge Grasty from their 'ruling' positions and calling on their Governor to take back control of their State land. People in neighboring Grant county are showing tremendous support for Harney county residents.

I still want to know what this guy has. Have we made any progress on the rifle? Although I have to say ive enjoyed the history links too!

Yes they do drop pheasant well also. I have found the 3/4oz loads just as deadly as wildcats experience with the 1 oz. loads. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you don't mind spending a little more for ammunition the 28 ga Super X 1 oz loads are 1205 fps & were deadly on late season Ringnecks when I was running my preserve. I had the Dehann S2in 28ga which is mechanically the same as the CZ.

. I would encourage the purchase. Mine has left me happy. And I like its simplicity with double triggers and extractor. As much as I would like a "really nice" double at the end of the day I'm an American blue collar worker who busts brush with a flushing dog on the weekends. I would loose it the first scratch my $2000 dollar gun got. Plus everyone who sees it comments on how nice it is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah when I was in the Amish cabinet/buggy shop they engaged some of the drives & the whole building rumbled & shook. All of the equipment they had, planers, joiners, etc was modern stuff W/the electric motors removed & driven by belts coming up through the floor. They had several independent drive systems attached to the diesel power. As far as fans in Buffalo? I live about 6 hours from Buffalo. I used to go to Alden for a traditional archery shoot every August when I lived in Indiana.

I'll say it for you, Now there are 2 A-holes!

Deff a favorite of mine...especially since the brewery is 10 min. From my houseSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

Fight the fight Steve! Keep us posted ;-/

HAPPY BIRTHDAY..Hope your day was great,your evening enjoyable, and your year a healthy one.

AR. Hands down nothing better

Venison jalapeño cheddar dogs and baked beans

VERY cool, Wildcat...Thanks for the link..

I have a flint & steel fire starter kit. My wife & I used to participate in muzzle-loader shoots where we had to shoot, throw knives & tomahawks as well as start a fire W/flint & steel to light a candle. The fire starting part was timed & scored accordingly. I was taught to strike the steel W/the piece of flint ,(just lime the flint lock of a rifle) not the other way around. By striking the steel W/the flint there is more control over where the sparks go. We were told to hold the flint & strike the steel like we were trying to slice the paper off a soup can. We made the steel out of triangular files shaped like an elongated "O" with a gap to go around the fingers. I use a 1/2 pint steel paint can W/a hole in the lid to make cotton char cloth by heating cotton patches in the closed can on the stove while burning off the gases that escaped through the hole. That reduce smoke in the house!. We empoyed jute from old manila ropes to make our tinder nests W/the char cloth in the middle.

Very cool talent. Love the old wooden framing too. Looks perfect.

If I remember right the government works for the people. The land is federal land is our land. Now no hostages where taken, nothing stolen. A life was taken and until we hear audio all the facts are not in. Pictures and video clips can help but I'd like to hear what the officers said. It's not cop bashing or anti government to want facts when a citizen is shot. Sent from my XT830C using Tapatalk

Excellent work

I'll play, at work right now, the one picture with two knives are what I'm carrying tonight. A Strider DB, classic sharpened pry bar, the folder is a Spyderco Delica 50/50. Now I'm not a big 50/50 guy but I own a few. The folder gets swapped out often but always carry the DB at work. The second picture is top to bottom. A Rick Hinderer XM 18 bought right from Rick, a Spyderco Yojimbo , ( truly razor sharp deep cutting knife) and a Microtech out the front out with a double edge making it illegal x2 in NYS . These are the folders I'm been carrying most of late. The watch is a Seiko skx 007 on a shark mesh strap, with after market dial, bezel and Omega style sword hands. I rotate watches even more than knives .....

I was in a quaint local "Mayberry RFD" court (the "judge" treats it as a social gathering) on a traffic ticket when a "loaded firearm in a vehicle" case was brought forth. The Judge specified that this particular charge was a misdemeanor, not a violation. Can a game law violation be a misdemeanor?

Goulash ( venison ) and garlic knots

Old Jim knows bucks and bears but doesn't know his rifles. If his fathers gun is as old as he says, it probably is a 721, NOT a 788. Pretty foolish to not have that house set up with a top shelf alarm system too. Dang the luck.........

I would consider myself very into home brewing. It took me a long time to get to the point I'm at now but I can make pretty consistent, really good beers at a price way below store shelves. Add up all the costs along the way however...I'm in pretty deep. The point when I started making really good beer was when I upgraded my burner to get wort boiling quicker, got a 35 gallon stainless steel kettle and went to complete all grain brewing. I buy hops by the pound directly from farmers to bring costs down and buy barley by the 55 pound sack. I started with kits but wanted to do it all myself. I typically use us-05 yeast and generally get pretty good productivity out of it. I typically make IPA's, double IPA's and sessions.

I bought one for myself and one for my daughter last fall. It's a nice call, sounds great, and I like the slide on the side of the call to adjust the tone. So much nicer (and quicker) than having to pull the call apart to adjust the O-ring inside, like many other calls that I've had. The extinguisher never froze up on me either (as advertised). They sure seem to work well on that show on the Pursuit Channel anyways! LOL I saw this guy at ~100 yards away. He was heading into a thicket with no intentions of coming towards me. I grunted once and he raised his head and looked in my direction. I grunted once more and he came in galloping straight to me!