Adkhunter1590

Deer adapt to just about anything in the world. They will adjust and become used to machinery running a lot easier than a human walking around in the brush. Especially just one human who's probably not talking or making much noise so it probably seems more threatening to them this way. If your hunting Ag land, deer are especially used to machines rolling around the property and pay no mind to it. When I guided I would drive my guys right to the base of the stands if possible. Leave the truck running and would sit there until they got up into the stand. I had deer stand 80 yards out in the field in my headlights just stand there and watch until I would slowly back out and pull away. My guys always said the deer would just stand there or maybe run off 20-40 yards then stop and come right back after I left. No way they'd do this if a person was sneaking up to the stand in the field. I have roughly 70 acres behind my house with a trail system for my atv. I run my atv around the trails on a regular basis and don't see any negative impact on my deer. Especially this time of year. Most of the time my does will just stand there and watch me drive slowly by. I do the same as WNY and drive my atv right up to the cameras if I can. Less human scent on the ground and the deer really don't get bothered by the quad slowly putting on through. I do limit my atv use during hunting season for obvious reasons but if I need to move a stand or something I have no problem running the quad out back to help.

Sounds like a great day of food plotting grow. I'm still working on getting some time to get my field plowed. But I also just came across a possible tractor for sale real cheap from a friend of my wife. She's working on getting the address so we can go take a look. Supposedly a Ford 8n that's in good shape and runs good. Stored inside and only used to brush hog a small field for decades. Supposedly has some implements to go with it. I love the old Fords and they work perfect for smaller scale food plotting so I really wanna go take a look in the next few days if we can figure out where this friend of a friend lives. Hoping it's in as good of shape as we've been told, for the $1000 asking price it sounds too good to be true. But if it's any good I'll bring it home for a grand and pound it around out back getting my fall plots in soon.

They totally shot themselves in the foot if they think average people will pay $40 a month for their services. That's around what people pay for a cell phone line each month. While cruising around another forum I saw someone mention postimg.org as a website to share pics with in case anyone here is looking for a PB replacement

Man that is messed up. I don't use PB very often so maybe your right and it's based off how many things you've shared. When I share pics on here I usually just use the Tapatalk app and it gets the pics from my photo library on my phone.

That's really weird that it works for me and not everyone. How are you guys trying to post the pics? Maybe it's in the way you try doing it idk but really weird.

Maybe I missed it but have you given a run down on those cheap cell cams yet? I remember you talked about them in another thread saying you'd get back to us about them. If I missed you report back my bad. But how are they doing?

I have the bone view iPhone reader. It works pretty good. Only complaint is that it takes a long time to delete pics. But other than that it works as advertised

I agree Doc. Me and my buddy and his old man were just talking the other morning about how many gut shot deer that will most likely be running around once crossbow gets full inclusion. I work with a handful of the type of sloppy hunters we are talking about. The one guy even went rifle hunting last season, but it was a week before gun even opened lol! I was like uh dude you know gun season isn't open yet right? He's like o really I thought it opened already. But I know of at least 3 guys in this plant that have all expectations of buying a $300 crossbow and shooting deer at 100 yards or more. We sit outside on break and they tell me how these new crossbows are so good it makes 100 yard shots with ease. The one guy is convinced he can shoot 150 on a regular basis because he saw a guy on YouTube shooting a ballon at 200 yards so 150 should be no problem for him. It's scary to listen to these guys. They all want to hunt with me and I'll never let any of them step foot on my land lol. I agree too that the same goes for gun hunters. Plenty of guys think that because they bought a expensive rifle and scope that they are Chris Kyle all of a sudden.

I think traditionally, bow hunters were consider more die hard and put in a lot of time making sure they were very proficient with their bows to make good shots. This is how I was brought up to believe bow hunters were. And with the last 10-15 years bow hunting has exploded in popularity which has brought in a lot of sloppy hunters. I see it all the time, guys who have almost no business shooting a bow go out and take stupid shots at stuff and wonder why they lose deer. Anyone ever seen a deer with 5 arrows sticking out of it, laying on the ground still fighting for life. It's sad. Newbie bow hunter who only got into it because he was tired of waiting for gun season while everyone else started picking up bows. The tv shows haven't helped any of this in my opinion. So many mikey Waddell wanna bes out there thinking that brand new Hoyt is gonna guide the arrow into the deer for them.

You have to pay for Photobucket now?? I have it and just tried it. Didn't say anything about paying for anything. Am I missing something? I'm not sure how you guys posted pics from PB but I just copy the IMG link under the info of the pic you select and copy paste it into the reply box here. Pics show up on Tapatalk...do they work for everyone else?

You could be a lot more successful with turkey hunts for sure. Especially in areas with high turkey numbers. Less land needed, and even state public land is just as good for turkey a lot of the time. Land is really the biggest deal breaker when it comes to deer. Like you said, you'd need to get a handful of other leases in the area. It would almost be impossible to get enough land close enough to each other. Because remember, unless you have employees(guides), you will have to drop each guy off at their stands by yourself. If your land is spread 20 mins apart, your gonna be racing the sun rise to get guys up in trees. I've been there done that, it's no fun lol. Not to mention the cost of leases here in Ny is crazy high. To make a profit you'd have to more than likely over hunt the property, which isn't good for anyone. The most likely way to make a deer hunting outfit successful here would be is if your family owned a very large farm, so the land was already paid for and in your control. In conjunction with regular farming, you could run deer hunts in the fall to help supplement your income, but even then it wouldn't be something that could be relied on solely. If this is something your looking to do on the small scale, I'd suggest catering your outfit to a particular group of hunters such as youth and father/son groups. Neither one will be geared for trophy bucks that you can't produce on a yearly basis so expectations will be minimal. Kids are just as happy to shoot does most of the time. Advertise and set yourself up as a place where new hunters, youths and parents looking to get their kids hunting for the first time in a safe relaxing environment can come to. You'll be limited to the amount of people you can have just on acreage size, might as well save yourself the headache of listening to Joe Blow complain he hasn't seen 20 pope and youngs on his first day and cater towards a kid who will be the happiest person in the world to shoot a basket rack 8 point.

Been in the woods since I could walk. Tagged along with my dad and uncle and grandpa for many years. Started off with a BB gun around 4 years old and was quickly up to a .22 by 6. Shot about every squirrel and chipmunk on our 111 acre camp haha. I didn't get to go along on opening day week hunts until I was around 10, that time was reserved for the "guys" at camp. Once I was allowed to go all the time I never missed a trip to camp. I loved everything about hunting and fishing with my dad, uncle and grandpa. I'd listen to them tell stories while they drank their beers and whiskey and smoke big fat cigars that filled the camp with smoke that could be smelled a mile away. I learned so much from those 3 men in that 900sq ft cabin and 111 acres. When I was 13, on a bitter cold morning around 430am at camp my old man surprised the heck out of me. We were getting ready to walk to our treestands for a morning hunt when he looked at me and said "do you think your ready?" I said ready for what? He says "to be a man". I said of course I am. He says well alright then, show me how it's done boy, while handing over his Browning 30-06. That was probably one of the best moments of my life. I was so excited, I think I floated that half mile to our stands. As luck would have it, I dropped a nice big spike horn that was on a dead run chasing 2 does about 2 hours after sun up. I thought my old man was going to break my bones he hugged me so hard and long after we walked up on my buck. From that day on, I carried the rifle and was shooting deer every year. Also got a bow and started bow hunting the next season as well. For years after that we raced motocross from January to mid October and then spent from then till the end of gun season chasing deer around our camp. After high school and a semester at college I ended up in guide school in Montana and went on to guide for a few years. Now my goal is to continue the legacy with my two young boys. They love being outdoors with me and have loved the few times I've taken them turkey hunting. I'm impatiently waiting for them to get a little older so I can bring them along on deer hunts. And I sure can't wait to see them take their first deer, I know I'll be just as proud as my old man was.

Depends on what your ambitions are. How big of an outfit are you thinking of running? How many hunters per year do you hope to take in is what you need to really consider. That number alone will dictate how much land you need, how much equipment, insurance costs, and most importantly, how much can you get away with charging to keep people coming back. Most successful outfits stay in business based on their return clients. Advertising costs money that may never net you any return. You need to produce quality results to make guys want to return year after year. Unfortunately, this is something that will be difficult to do in NY. We don't have the quality deer Kansas or Illinois does, so you'll be hard pressed to get a lot of guy wanting to return for scrub bucks, not to mention you'll never be able to charge a large amount of money per hunt because of it. I was a guide in Kansas and Illinois and worked for a small outfit and a large one, they both had different ways of doing things but both relied heavily on repeat customers. I have thought many times over about starting an outfit of my own. But with my own personal experience, I couldn't pull it off in this state without a massive amount of money to invest in huge amounts of land. To really do it right you'd have to own a few thousand acres and take several years of correct management to produce some good bucks on a yearly basis. Even then it wouldn't be enough most likely. You could do some small time guiding but it wouldn't make you any money in the end. Here's on figure to toss around in your head. The place I worked in Kansas leased 17,000 acres of land. He sold hunts to around 60-90 hunters per fall give or take a few. That's roughly 280-180 acres of land per hunter. It's vital to not over hunt your land or your never going to produce quality hunts. The place I worked for in Illinois gave each guide their own several hundred acre farms to guide the entire season on. My farm was 480 acres. I ran 2-3 guys per week from middle of oct through early December. That farm was absolutely beat to death by the end of the season. It was over hunted by early November. This is something you want to avoid and is a big reason why I never worked for that outfit again. They ran hunters through there to boost profits with little regard for the hunting experience. Ask all the questions you can think of, I'm sure I can help on most all of them.

Looking good! Next will be the 3rd plot haha. It's like a addiction. My addiction led to this roughly 2.5-3 acre addition this year. Started off as this It's current state Will be moldboard plowing it in the next couple days.

Trailcampro sells "used" cameras that were used in their tests and shootouts. They have a solar spy point on their website for $139 vs $199 regular price. Comes with lithium batteries and a 8gb card. Pretty good deal if you were looking for one, came across it and thought of ya.

I filmed a few turkey hunts when I worked in KS. I used a HD handheld Sony. I don't know the model number off hand but I bought the camera with a few accessories for $375-450 if I remember right. I'm no tech geek so I have no idea what's better than what but my videos came out really good so I'll give a thumbs up on Sony products.

I like how they call it a "assault rifle"....thought you couldn't buy those anymore in NY[emoji849] safe act working like a champ ain't it cuomo!

Ya the 10 had the adjustable night settings. It helped some. But not enough. It would be a good camera over a bait pile where they stand still for longer. But I couldn't stand the blur at night when they were just walking along. Made it impossible to see what was what. I was bummed because the rest of the camera was great. Once that issue is fixed I'll try another one for sure

My farmer neighbor advised me against alfalfa as well. Weeds are hard to control in it and the ground I'm on is too wet. He said the surface is dry but a few inches down is just too wet for alfalfa and the winter freezes tear the roots apart and kill it. I drive by quite a few alfalfa fields on my way to and from work each day and I notice almost all of them are full of weeds and look terrible. The only one that looks good has a tall deer fence around it and it looks like they really control the hell out of that field.

Nice!

The only bad part about the spy points are the night pics. They are super blurry. Any movement at all and forget about it. Once they fix that they would be excellent cameras. I bought a Force 10 last summer which is basically the same as the 11 and 12 and the day pics were great but night pics you couldn't see anything at all. I really liked the controls on it though, really easy to program. I've been watching reviews like a hawk to see when they fix the blurry night time pics, once they do I'll grab another one. The solar idea is cool too, and supposedly works great

Thanks for the kind words Grampy! Ryan, I'll message you and we can get ya started off on the right foot.

I'm not 100% sure....but pretty sure you can't hunt labeled DEC wetlands. A lot of people own land with "DEC wetlands" on it, but they still own it. Your much better off just going to designated state land to hunt. I know some others have mentioned pine bush, but like you've heard already, it gets a bit of traffic. Not to mention all the talk I've ever heard about pine bush and never seen or heard of anyone taking a good buck from there lol. There's state land all around the city, will have to drive a little to get to them, but it's worth it to be legal. Check out partridge run state land. 4800 acres that has plenty of room for you to roam around on and hone your skills as a hunter. If I were you that's where I'd be going. Partridge run doesn't get much traffic at all if any at all during bow season, and the last few years there hasn't been many gun hunters either. If you'd like, PM me and I can give you some spots to try up there, I will draw out on the map where to go.

The weather sure has made it tough on everyone this year. A lot of guys around here are just wrapping up planting 60 day corn according to my neighbor. Pretty glad I didn't invest in summer plots this year, other than the frost seeded clover and chicory. Which is surprisingly doing pretty good. Need to spray it and maybe mow again to combat some grasses coming in thicker than I'd like. I'm seeing good apples here too, I have probably 20-30 apple trees scattered all around and none of them produced anything last summer. This year it's looking good! I feel your pain on the spraying grow. I originally planned on spraying this new field I got after it was cut. But after talking with my neighbor, I agree with him on skipping the spraying and moldboard plow it instead to flip it over to kill it. He says he has much better luck doing it that way around our area. His farming experience is older than I am so I'll take his word for it. Going to try skipping the discing after plowing too, he says we will do it on a day when it's just a bit damp and I can drag my drag harrow around with the quad and that should smooth it out well enough. I agreed with this too, my drag really does tear some stuff up, a lot more than I would have imagined.

Ultimate goal will be taking a big mature buck during bow but I'll be happy just to see a good one to know he's around. Mostly looking forward to enjoy long sits over this new food plot I'm working on right now. It will be my biggest and best yet. A lot of work going into it so it will be nice to see it full of greenery and deer feeding in it. Hoping to either buy a box blind, or might end up building one on this new food plot so I can take my two little boys out with me during gun season. Waiting on our yearly bonuses from work to see if I'll buy or build haha. Enjoy every minute out there like I do every fall. Watching the sun rise and set and seeing Mother Nature in all her glory is the best feeling in the world at 20ft up a tree.