send letters for crossbows in NY

[G-Man]

Same argument that traditionalists used to fight of the scourge of the compound(which holds some of the weight mechanicaly).. guess what they lost... Its coming whether you want it to or not... It will come down to this secanario though.. Hunter is all excited he can use a xbow goes out and buys one can't get within 50 yards of a deer usuing tradational gun hunting techniques, gives up xbox goes for sale.. Old worn out archer who feels bad he can't draw back his favorite bow decideds he rather be out hunting than not buys used x-bow and hunt for 10 more years, leaving his x-bow to his grandchild now 8 who so idolized his grandparent decides to take it out hunting at 12, gets proficient with it and decides he is going to try his grandparents old hand drawn bow. Learns to love it and uses both to teach his/her childern to hunt with both passing on a tradition for many years to come.

[arrowflinger]

"they do not belong" you redundantly say, but you cannot provide a coherent or rational explanation on how that affects you as a bowhunter.

Please explain.

I do not need to explain that to you, or anyone.

Let's start simply....we can agrees that guns should not be allowed in bowseason, that they do not belong there.  Why?  We can devise many reasons to exclude them, many or most or maybe even all of which have nothing to do with how it would effect us as bowhunters.

That line of logic extends to crossbows, as well, although some of the reasons disappear (like method of propulsion, for example.)

Yet there are still plenty of reasons that make crossbows fundamentally different from vertical bows....first and foremost the need to draw the bow when its time to shoot.

They are functionally different....you may feel the differences are not important enough to matter.  I disagree.

Still......it is irrelevant whether there is a negative impact or not.  You can keep trying to prove some meaningless point about impact......but that has nothing to do with principle.

They simply do not belong in bowseason, as surely as a gun does not belong in bow season.

[SteveB]

G-man, you have to stop.

No room for logic and common sense in this discussion.

Only fear, speculation, ignorance of even simple definitions (like posted by WNY) and outright fables are permitted.

Certainly nothing as clearcut as posting the examples of how dangerous crossbows are to everyone when allowed in bow season - as claimed by a few - are allowed. Of course the last one could be because they don't have any. All this is supposed to demonstrate the strength of their principals. In fact it does.

[arrowflinger]

Its coming whether you want it to or not.

Doesn't mean I should lay down and let others work to violate my principles.

BTW....if you want string guns for older hunters.....propose a bill that would allow them for older hunters.  If you want string guns available for younger hunters.....propose a bill that would allow their use until the age of 16, or 18 or whatever.

It sounds warm and fuzzy......but its not the reality.  The reality is the vast majority of string gun users will be physically capable men who are looking to gain an advantage by hunting with a crossbow.  At least be honest about the target audience.

[skyhunter]

"they do not belong" you redundantly say, but you cannot provide a coherent or rational explanation on how that affects you as a bowhunter.

Please explain.

I do not need to explain that to you, or anyone.

You could not have said that any better. This is simply priceless stuff from the haters. Maybe we can archive this quote for future reference. Thank you for your reply!

Can you say cannibal?

[arrowflinger]

You could not have said that any better. This is simply priceless stuff from the haters. Maybe we can archive this quote for future reference. Thank you for your reply!

Can you say cannibal?

That's really clever...you clipped everything else off to get the quote you wanted.  See, you just ignored all of the true explanation because it didn't match your agenda.....really smart.

Wow... :

BTW...can YOU say cannibal?  Because that is what crossbows do to bowhunting....they cannabalize bowhunters.  There are 3 crossbow hunters for every 2 bowhunters in OH....imagine how much stronger bowhunting would be if all of the physically able crossbowers used a bow instead of a crossbow.

In VA, they lost 14,000 bowhunters in the first 2 years of crossbow legalization.  Why?  They took up the crossbow instead.

Crossbow growth comes at the expense of bowhunting.  It is ironic that you claim opponents to be cannabilistic when the proof is already evident that crossbows cannabilize bowhunters.

[skyhunter]

You could not have said that any better. This is simply priceless stuff from the haters. Maybe we can archive this quote for future reference. Thank you for your reply!

Can you say cannibal?

That's really clever...you clipped everything else off to get the quote you wanted.  That was the first thing you said and you still haven't explained how it affects you. You say you don't have to explain anything and then later call me arrogant. Hypocrisy? See, you just ignored all of the true explanation because it didn't match your agenda.....really smart. True, you say? Did you explain any truths about how you are affected there : I didn't see any.

Wow... :

BTW...can YOU say cannibal?  Because that is what crossbows do to bowhunting....they cannabalize bowhunters.  There are 3 crossbow hunters for every 2 bowhunters in OH....imagine how much stronger bowhunting would be if all of the physically able crossbowers used a bow instead of a crossbow.

In VA, they lost 14,000 bowhunters in the first 2 years of crossbow legalization.  Why?  They took up the crossbow instead. Can you explain to me this weakness as you speak of "lost bowhunters"?

Crossbow growth comes at the expense of bowhunting.  It is ironic that you claim opponents to be cannabilistic when the proof is already evident that crossbows cannabilize bowhunters.

Can you explain to me how crossbows hurt bowhunters. You're all talk but no real rational reasons have been put forth by you; only emotion. How many times do I have to request your answer to this very simple question.

Crossbow growth comes at the expense of bowhunting.  It is ironic that you claim opponents to be cannabilistic when the proof is already evident that crossbows cannabilize bowhunters.

This is the part that really intrigues me. Where is this proof you speak of?

[nyantler]

If the other states jumped off a bridge, would you jump, too?

Funny how you forgot to include in that response what happened in those states? Hum, wonder why?

Sorry Sky.. we should have told you that not responding or proving points is Arrowflingers M.O....

[Doc]

Ha! ..... You people still going at it here? It seems everytime somebody new joins up, they feel compelled to get this thing going again. That's ok, if somebody didn't re-start this thread periodically we would never hear from squatsInBushes or whatever his name is. He only has one subject that he can actually form an opinion on.......anybody ever notice that? Just a bit limited. And always the same repulsive tone ..... He's a real friendly type.

It's kind of fun to watch good ol' SquatsInBushes continue to make a disagreeable fool of himself.    Mr. personality .... eh? I suppose every forum has to have at least one of these ....lol.

Well anyway, carry on people. I'll check back in periodically just for a bit of comic relief. I'm sure you all feel that you are changing opinions and saving the world, so keep up the good fight.

[arrowflinger]

Can you explain to me how crossbows hurt bowhunters.

You are being obtuse.

You have fabricated this notion that the only reason to exclude crossbows is because they hurt bowhunters, and continue to demand to know how they would hurt bowhunters.

But......that is not the only reason that one might oppose crossbow intrusion.  And, in fact, it is not the primary reason that I gave.

Yet you demand an answer for a motive that you created for me.

Take a deep breath......and try a different angle.  Might I suggest you actually read the reasons that I have put forth, and discuss those, instead of just making crap up on your own?

[nyantler]

For my own purposes I think crossbows should have their own season... I would be more apt to buy one then... I personally would not give up the trad bow for a compound during the bow season... But inclusion during the bow season wouldn't bother me at all.... well except for all the dead bodies laying around because of how unsafe I have heard the crossbow would be

[arrowflinger]

For my own purposes I think crossbows should have their own season.

I agree.

[nyantler]

I knew you would   Now the all important question Arrow.. would you hunt during that crossbow season with a crossbow?

[arrowflinger]

I knew you would   Now the all important question Arrow.. would you hunt during that crossbow season with a crossbow?

It depends when it was.....and if you could use real bows during it, too.

[nyantler]

that is not an answer... that is a sidestep.. you see?.. you make it hard for a person to have an adult conversation with you...

[arrowflinger]

that is not an answer... that is a sidestep.. you see?.. you make it hard for a person to have an adult conversation with you...

LMAO...you have guys calling opponents communist males when they are American women....and you have the audacity to call me childish?  LMFAO

It was absolutely an answer. 

[sits in trees]

Well the amount of fuel you've thrown on this little fire in less then 12hrs....I do not  have to say much of any thing to these ppl....Sit In Trees....your just like a little worker bee ....lots of buzz and no sting

so come on what country did you high tail from, i'll bet dollars to rubbles it was one where you didnt even have the right to hunt or let alone be out after 8p.m. at night right?????????? so you ran with yer tail between yer legs to come to our great country so you can flap your lips and tell us how to hunt after being here for how long, bet you it hasnt even been a few years right???????

maybe you should head back to your fatherland and do some hunting there, huh????? LOL!!

[arrowflinger]

so come on what country did you high tail from, i'll bet dollars to rubbles it was one where you didnt even have the right to hunt or let alone be out after 8p.m. at night right? ??? ??? ??? so you ran with yer tail between yer legs to come to our great country so you can flap your lips and tell us how to hunt after being here for how long, bet you it hasnt even been a few years right? ??? ???

maybe you should head back to your fatherland and do some hunting there, huh? ??? ? LOL!!

A)  Its "rubles" not "rubbles. :

You are accusing her of being from Russia...that would be "Motherland," not "Fatherland." :

You come across as a racist horse's ass.

[wztirem]

Its "roubles"!

[nyantler]

that is not an answer... that is a sidestep.. you see?.. you make it hard for a person to have an adult conversation with you...

LMAO...you have guys calling opponents communist males when they are American women....and you have the audacity to call me childish?  LMFAO

It was absolutely an answer.

I never said you were childish... and the answer would be a simple yes or no

[arrowflinger]

that is not an answer... that is a sidestep.. you see?.. you make it hard for a person to have an adult conversation with you...

LMAO...you have guys calling opponents communist males when they are American women....and you have the audacity to call me childish?  LMFAO

It was absolutely an answer.

I never said you were childish... and the answer would be a simple yes or no

Life is never simple, dude....time to grow up.

[nyantler]

an adult doesn't use the word "dude"...lol

[arrowflinger]

an adult doesn't use the word "dude"...lol

A square adult might not......a parent who survived teenagers definitely would....dude.

[WNYBuckHunter]

that is not an answer... that is a sidestep.. you see?.. you make it hard for a person to have an adult conversation with you...

LMAO...you have guys calling opponents communist males when they are American women....and you have the audacity to call me childish?  LMFAO

It was absolutely an answer.

See, this is where you are just plain too much to take seriously. Just because sits makes comments and has the same opinion on crossbows as us, you automatically put us in the same group and insinuate that "we" have him doing something. That might make sense coming from you though, you seem to take NYB rhetoric as gospel no matter what the real facts are, so being a follower just makes sense for you. We are not all like that. Some of us are adult enough to make our own decisions based on fact instead of emotional rhetoric. Dude.

[arrowflinger]

You guys are ridiculous.  LMAO