Seems like everyone is getting out of NY

[Doc]

And New Yorkers sit back and take it.  Why?  Either greater than half agree with them on enough things to support them, or most of the people that disagree are too lazy, ignorant and/or apathetic to drag their carcass out and do something about it.

NYS politicians as well as the legislators of many other states have figured it out that if you maintain a significant percentage of the population as recipients of government programs, they become a huge voting block that will never vote to have their goodies diminished or removed. It's a self-perpetuating system. You can run away from it, but you are simply running away from the inevitable. They're all catching onto the technique of guaranteeing their own job security, and it's happening all over the country and runs all the way up to the presidency. There really is no escaping it, you can only delay it.

[phade]

Yep, figured as much...

 

The method of research doesn't matter. The end result is the same. You are grasping at straws. Does ZH's founder put his real name on that site? No. What does he do then?

 

He uses a fake movie name from Fight Club. The site tries to push forward derogatory and inflammatory articles that because of the veil of "not signing your name" allows for all kinds of wild tales and ludicrous claims without fear of retribution. Is he even American? I don't think he is.

 

You want to stand for something - put your darn name on it. I grew up knowing that my handshake, last name, and word is the best thing I could offer. I, and I suspect the majority of the world, feels the same way - if you can't put your name on it, anything you say, do, publish, is hogwash. Pure hogwash.

[moog5050]

NYS politicians as well as the legislators of many other states have figured it out that if you maintain a significant percentage of the population as recipients of government programs, they become a huge voting block that will never vote to have their goodies diminished or removed. It's a self-perpetuating system. You can run away from it, but you are simply running away from the inevitable. They're all catching onto the technique of guaranteeing their own job security, and it's happening all over the country and runs all the way up to the presidency. There really is no escaping it, you can only delay it.

 

 

Funny Doc.  You nailed it.  I visited Venezula and that is exactly how Chavez maintained power.  The majority of those that voted were reliant on government jobs provided by Chavez.  That, and the threats from the national police that were all paid by the Chavez government.  I actually stood 5 feet away while military police were on a rant telling the poor and unemployed how they had to support Chavez with machine gun in hand.  I know its hasn't gone to that extreme here, but I do agree that many politician's first concern is thier own position with "the good of the people and this Country" a distant second or third.

[phade]

Well, if you had spent 6 minutes making up your mind instead of 5, you would know that Tyler Durden is in fact former hedge manager Dan Ivandjiiski currently residing in NYC, and he conducts public interviews for zero-hege. It was zero- hedge that exposed high frequency computer trades conducted by Goldman Sachs that are skewing the markets you and others have your savings invested in. To name just one area of market manipulation. Goldman and others have turned the markets into a big casino.There is nothing inflammatory about telling the truth. I note again that you provide no examples of this 'inflammation'. Another example of your worthless comments.

 

'Is he even American? I don't think he is.'  You clearly have no idea what your talking about. This should give us all pause for thought especially as you seem to be so emotionally reactive to things you clearly don't understand. Are you even American, and what does this have to do with anything?

 

As for 'putting names on things', you also expose you lack of political awareness in terms of the persecution and indictment that is happening to journalists in the US right now. Just look at whats happening conservative filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza and the founder of Project Veritas as an example

Tyler Durden, the name, actually helps to shield the identities of many people who post under it in order to expose financial corruption in they organizations many of these people still work for. I'm sorry you don't feel this is useful for us to know.

 

Zerohedge is controversial but that's only because shining a light on corruption and exposing lies has suddenly become an Anti-American pastime. The powers that be want to kill Snowden because he told us our own glorious leaders are breaking their on laws with impunity. The powers that be don't like to be exposed for the criminals they often tend to be.

 

Zero-hedge is also one of the most viewed financial blogs by people in the financial sector. Alexa.com ranks zero-hedge in the top 600 (589) most viewed US websites. Not too shabby for a humble money blog.

 

Now that we know it only takes 5 minutes for you to be convinced of  any thing important, I would like to discuss some Montana beach front property I have for sale. I'm pretty sure I can make you buy it in 5 minutes or less.  lol

 

And the fact remains, Dan denies he is the site founder. Go figure.

 

Several people here who I would think are a great barometer of "general humanity" have also commented that you are a little batcrap crazy with ZH.

 

When one person says I'm way off base - I read or listen to them and try to understand their POV. Maybe I am way off base. But, when several people say it - I really need to look at my compass and decide if I want to swim upstream. More than a few times, I find out in those situations, I had the wrong or a misguided outlook.

 

That ZH koolaid must be tasty.

 

You can copy paste...whoopity do. So can I.

 

Zero Hedge has itself been accused of some of the manipulation it claims to expose. A company called Noble Investments Limited claims that a financial consultant paid Zero Hedge to write a defamatory blog post about the company, which he then linked to immediately.

 

“”Accordingly, just fourteen minutes after the Dalrymple GFC Reptort was published on zerohedge.com, Weinberg published a fully formed blog entry, including pictures, in which he summarized and quoted from the report, and provided readers a link to Ivandjiiski’s blog entry on zerohedge.com where they could download the report. Weinberg did not acknowledge that zerohedge.com had “broken” the story fourteen minutes earlier or state anywhere in the blog that the link from which readers were invited to download the report pointed to Ivandjiiski’s blog entry on zerohedge.com.^[21]

 

The law firm behind the suit describes Zero Hedge as "a portal for people to anonymously distribute derogatory information concerning public companies," giving the impression that Zero Hedge may well have arranged many such pay-to-defame schemes.

Edited January 31, 2014 by phade

[phade]

So what? It's dangerous times for a journo in the US. I think you should quite while your behind. It's getting embarrassing.

 

Hows about that beach front deal tho, interested ?

 

I think I'm only behind in your head.

 

I don't think anyone else here is drinking the ZH koolaid like you. You must be swimming in it.

 

I can see why ZH would be a perfect medium for the pay to defame scheme. How about you?

 

This one is worth a chuckle...Google power:

 

ZeroHedge is right = 3,500,000 hits

ZeroHedge is wrong = 6,850,000 hits

 

I spit in your ZH koolaid.

Edited January 31, 2014 by phade

[WNYBuckHunter]

And New Yorkers sit back and take it.  Why?  Either greater than half agree with them on enough things to support them, or most of the people that disagree are too lazy, ignorant and/or apathetic to drag their carcass out and do something about it.  Either way it makes me think that I belong somewhere else now.

 

If things like the overnight pushing through of the criminalization of lawful gunowners act and his recent comments don't motivate people then there's no hope.  We do, after all, get the Government that we deserve.

 

Or we are stuck here because of family or other obligations. Nothing lazy, apathetic or ignorant about it.

[Doc]

I see large crowds of people standing out in all kinds of ugly weather protesting the Safe Act, and enough letter writing campaigns to get that freak Cuomo a bit concerned. I suspect that the gun advocacy organizations are experiencing huge spikes in membership. People are beginning to put their money, time and letter writing efforts, where their mouths are. I don't call any of that lazy, apathetic, or ignorant. In fact I have to wonder more about those who's first reaction is to cut and run. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the NYS liberals will not drive me from my home. And yes they will constantly have me in their face, and targeting them at the polls.

[nyantler]

I see large crowds of people standing out in all kinds of ugly weather protesting the Safe Act, and enough letter writing campaigns to get that freak Cuomo a bit concerned. I suspect that the gun advocacy organizations are experiencing huge spikes in membership. People are beginning to put their money, time and letter writing efforts, where their mouths are. I don't call any of that lazy, apathetic, or ignorant. In fact I have to wonder more about those who's first reaction is to cut and run. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the NYS liberals will not drive me from my home. And yes they will constantly have me in their face, and targeting them at the polls.

AMEN! +1

[Suilleabhain]

And if you thought Congresswoman McCarthy was bad for gun owners, Kathleen Rice has previously stated when at the Queens DA she wanted to get all guns out of NYS

[covert]

Or we are stuck here because of family or other obligations. Nothing lazy, apathetic or ignorant about it.

 

There are two sides to either group described in that scenario.  We (the ones who don't like it but are currently stuck here) are obviously in the minority of either group or our State wouldn't be in this state.

Edited February 1, 2014 by covert

[sits in trees]

Im getting out, its been too cold, now everything is mush, and my tractor keeps getting stuck!!

[Five Seasons]

Well, if you had spent 6 minutes making up your mind instead of 5, you would know that Tyler Durden is in fact former hedge manager Dan Ivandjiiski

I thought he was in fight club?

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[erussell]

Im getting out, its been too cold, now everything is mush, and my tractor keeps getting stuck!!

 

You should really wait till April to start working food plots with the tractor Sits.

[Larry]

_{I'm looking at NC or Tenn. taxes on a house the same size or bigger then the one I have now range between 600 to 1200 instead of over 4200}

[covert]

Doc you keep saying that the NY Liberals won't drive you from your home.  That's fine but no amount of letters are going to change the fact that NY is a Left leaning state and always will be as long as we are stuck with NYC.  What are you going to do as they outlaw your guns a few at a time?  Turn them in?  Sell them?  Hide them to only peek at under cover of darkness when they make you a criminal?  None of those options appeal to me.

 

Besides, for me it's not only about the guns it's also about taxes, regulations, Conservative values.  Now they're talking about legalizing marijuana here.  NYS is going downhill fast as far as I can see and I am going to go somewhere that I am a better fit while I am still young enough.  I will continue to fight them as long as I am here but looking down the road I am going to get my boys settled someplace where I feel they will have a better future. 

 

If there are those who feel they have to stay for whatever reason I won't ever hold it against them or say they're cowards for doing it.  Everyone has to make their own choice and live with it, whatever they choose.  However, I still believe that the problems we have here ARE due to the lazy, ignorant and apathetic or the people who like the direction we are headed in.  Does that mean that EVERYONE on our side who stays here is?  No, but if those groups weren't in the majority then we obviously wouldn't be in this shape.

[Doc]

Doc you keep saying that the NY Liberals won't drive you from your home.  That's fine but no amount of letters are going to change the fact that NY is a Left leaning state and always will be as long as we are stuck with NYC.  What are you going to do as they outlaw your guns a few at a time?  Turn them in?  Sell them?  Hide them to only peek at under cover of darkness when they make you a criminal?  None of those options appeal to me.

 

Besides, for me it's not only about the guns it's also about taxes, regulations, Conservative values.  Now they're talking about legalizing marijuana here.  NYS is going downhill fast as far as I can see and I am going to go somewhere that I am a better fit while I am still young enough.  I will continue to fight them as long as I am here but looking down the road I am going to get my boys settled someplace where I feel they will have a better future. 

 

If there are those who feel they have to stay for whatever reason I won't ever hold it against them or say they're cowards for doing it.  Everyone has to make their own choice and live with it, whatever they choose.  However, I still believe that the problems we have here ARE due to the lazy, ignorant and apathetic or the people who like the direction we are headed in.  Does that mean that EVERYONE on our side who stays here is?  No, but if those groups weren't in the majority then we obviously wouldn't be in this shape.

I understand what you are saying, and it is frustrating to be seeing things in this state circling the bowl as more and more people buy into the cradle-to-grave worship of papa government. I can't argue with any of that. And I'm sure that if I were to live long enough there will come a time when NYS will become an intolerable place for any freedom-loving person to abide. Let's just put it this way. Today we are a long way from that. It may well be in sight, but we're not to the intolerable phase ..... yet!

 

There is also the other thing to consider that I call "the grass is always greener ....." effect. While we concentrate primarily on our own state, sometimes it is easy to look by the fact that other states have been coming toward us in terms of all the things that we find abhorrent about this state. In fact the whole country's government is very NYS-like in attitudes and conduct of government. So it comes down to a question of where are you going to run to? And how many times over the course of your life are you going to pick up and run again? And when the whole country takes on the very same attributes that have driven you out of NYS, are you then going to begin running from country to country? Sometimes it's just not as easy as running and hiding. Sometimes you have to stop and take a stand. Win, lose, or draw the right answer often is to stand and fight as best as you can and maybe pray for a miracle.

[sits in trees]

Things are real bad? went to a fine restaurant in northern Orange county for a relatives B-day last night. Made reservations and we still had to wait a good 40 minutes. The place was packed and I would say the average cost of each and every car in that parking lot was over 50K except for mine of course. I'm still having a hard time seeing this gloom and doom NY is dying scenario many of you seem to be so fond of here.

I do remember the recession many of us lived thru in NY back in the 70s and there were For Sale signs on every other house looking down any road. You couldn't drive your car on many NY roads without sustaining suspension damage or even spinal injury the potholes were so deep.

You have to realize that most of this Gloom and Doom NY thing you are hearing about has a lot of political motivation behind...

 

Edited February 16, 2014 by sits in trees

[BizCT]

Things are real bad? went to a fine restaurant in northern Orange county for a relatives B-day last night. Made reservations and we still had to wait a good 40 minutes. The place was packed and I would say the average cost of each and every car in that parking lot was over 50K except for mine of course. I'm still having a hard time seeing this gloom and doom NY is dying scenario many of you seem to be so fond of here.

I do remember the recession many of us lived thru in NY back in the 70s and there were For Sale signs on every other house looking down any road. You couldn't drive your car on many NY roads without sustaining suspension damage or even spinal injury the potholes were so deep.

You have to realize that most of this Gloom and Doom NY thing you are hearing about has a lot of political motivation behind...

+1. Things are fine here in westchester. Housing prices have gone up since 2011. Restaurants packed, bars packed, huge lines for $7 Starbucks drinks

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[Five Seasons]

The best you can do to protest this state is to move your business. Most of us don't own a business, so we vote. As we all know the letters and voting do little. The only option left is to move. The state won't feel any of leaving. Even a millionaire has little affect on an exit. It has to be large business. When they leave it affects thousands and is bad press. But like some mentioned there are still many good high paying white collar jobs. The majority are downstate. This is why the state is unbalanced geographically but continues to get by. I have nothing against the city and the island. It's not my style of living but I respect that it is for many. What sucks are that the economics and politics do not align with upstate, where we would be more inline with Ohio or Pennsylvania. I guess however the shrinking population has been noticed by some and that job loss is becoming an issue as we are no doubt spending millions on the add campaign. And sits... Even the worst places on earth have their percentage of people doing well while many more suffer... Wow that last sentence was as about as liberal as I ever want to sound

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[MarcoMar]

NYC seems to have the same problem like Paris (I've lived in Paris, but I've only visited New York City). I've noticed a lot of similar trends. Almost nobody is from the city itself, everybody is either born somewhere else and has moved to NYC, or is there just for education/art school/finding one's inner self/work. Because of so much tourists and immigration, the prices are constantly rising. The city is dirty. Something that is cheap for NYC, is actually unbelievably expensive for other parts of the USA (hotels, restaurants, almost every kind of deal). Both cities are like an air balloon, which is being pumped up and would blow up any moment. 

[Suilleabhain]

Marco, I see that in my job too. No one is born in NYC

[sits in trees]

Marco, I see that in my job too. No one is born in NYC

There's 4 million people in Brooklyn alone. They all couldn't have been flown in.

[Doc]

Fear not everyone. When Andy gets done with this state, the population will be over-flowing. Potheads all over the country will be heading for NYS as soon as he gets things lined up for legalized recreational marijuana. And if that doesn't do it, we will be having a massive influx of muggers and rapists looking for that free education in prison. Can't afford a college education, or don't want to be faced with burdensome pay-back of college loans? .... just pick out some kind of crime that will get you about 4 years or so. The taxpayers will pick up the tab and Uncle Andy will fix you right up.

 

The population will stabilize, it's just that the nature of the citizens will be considerably different

[nyantler]

Fear not everyone. When Andy gets done with this state, the population will be over-flowing. Potheads all over the country will be heading for NYS as soon as he gets things lined up for legalized recreational marijuana. And if that doesn't do it, we will be having a massive influx of muggers and rapists looking for that free education in prison. Can't afford a college education, or don't want to be faced with burdensome pay-back of college loans? .... just pick out some kind of crime that will get you about 4 years or so. The taxpayers will pick up the tab and Uncle Andy will fix you right up.

 

The population will stabilize, it's just that the nature of the citizens will be considerably different

So so true!

[Elmo]

http://www.humanevents.com/2014/03/06/oil-rich-north-dakota-has-more-job-openings-than-unemployed-people/

 

How's the hunting in North Dakota?