Situation in Baltimore

[mmkay]

There are plenty of educated people working minimum wage jobs.

Those high paying jobs just don't magically appear every time somone gets a college degree do they?

WTF up! 25 years ago General Motors was the largest private sector employer in the United States. Today it's Walmart

 

 

General motors committed sucide.  poor managment in both the Union higher ups and corporate managment killed that company.  It basically folded a few years back and was reinvented thru a government secured bail out 

[wildcat junkie]

General motors committed sucide. poor managment in both the Union higher ups and corporate managment killed that company. It basically folded a few years back and was reinvented thru a government secured bail out

That doesn't change the fact that manufacturing jobs are all being sent to 3rd world economies & the United States is quickly becoming one.

The countries largest private sector employer pays most of its employees minimum wage level in ones that rely on socikal programs got survival.

Sounds like socialism for the corporation to me.

[dbHunterNY]

Americans in general are losing work ethic with every succeeding generation. Immigrants aren't taking jobs from deserving Americans; jobs are available to those who want to actually work.

 

That's right.  Only exception is when a facility shuts down and moves.  you might have to hunt for them but others are out there.  My dad is always dumb founded when offering kids/young adults good money to help with hay/farming and they don't want to do it.  Much better for them to find a lesser paying job where they can sit on there butt.

[ATbuckhunter]

Mmkay- saying that immigrants are displacing "native" American born people is such a dumb statement. The way I see it is that the American work ethic is way down and companies realize that immigrants have no problem working to the bone. I also see them taking jobs that many "Americans" would deem as beneath them but then complain that they have no job. Only thing I can say to people that complain about immigrants taking their job is to step it up and make your salary worth it to your company.

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[ATbuckhunter]

I should say a dumb statement but I don't believe it has any value.

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[ATbuckhunter]

Shouldn't*

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

I'm sorry i must have missed the memo but when was it decided that a job at a fast food franchise isn't meant to raise a family on or live on? I wasn't aware of the law or constitutional amendment promising Americans cheap fast food. Fast food employees average 29 year old and restaurant and food service employees make up the largest sector of public assistance users. I say stop bitching and pony up a few more cents for your fast food.

As I have said before. Live within your means. Forcing an artificially high minimum wage will do nothing to help these folks. All the increases in the cost of doing business will be passed on to the consumer. The people that will really be hurt at the people that are currently making at  or just above the selected new minimum.

[mmkay]

Mmkay- saying that immigrants are displacing "native" American born people is such a dumb statement. The way I see it is that the American work ethic is way down and companies realize that immigrants have no problem working to the bone. I also see them taking jobs that many "Americans" would deem as beneath them but then complain that they have no job. Only thing I can say to people that complain about immigrants taking their job is to step it up and make your salary worth it to your company.

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Read this article about H1b Visa.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html

 

Also read below about the law of supply and demand in regards to labor

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/laws-supply-demand-affect-labor-market-58242.html

 

The effect of inexpensive labor from abroad has depressed U.S. wages even as jobs have been lost. The Third World has a virtually unlimited supply of labor, which is becoming more skilled with the passage of time.

 

why was my statement dumb?  please provide facts as to why the law of supply and demand is no longer relavant

 

 

I’m not saying there isn’t some lazy American that won’t work.  What I responded to is why the middle class is shrinking.   If you really want to understand read up on NAFTA.  It was put in place mostly likely about the time you were born. 

 

Also read up on globalization.  Wildcat junkie is correct at pointing out the concern about outsourcing.  Certain jobs can’t be outsource (burger flippers / retail sales / Construction / farm), but all these jobs can be impacted by a vast increase of immigration.  Immigration that is subsidized by the American taxpayer in the form of free healthcare, social welfare programs and the like.

Edited May 1, 2015 by mmkay

[mmkay]

That doesn't change the fact that manufacturing jobs are all being sent to 3rd world economies & the United States is quickly becoming one.

The countries largest private sector employer pays most of its employees minimum wage level in ones that rely on socikal programs got survival.

Sounds like socialism for the corporation to me.

 

 

I don't disagree with you.  But I don't think its up to a private company to cure the ills of the nation.  People get the government and sociaty they vote for.  elections have consequences.  both parties are bending us over.

 

i don't disagree that large corporation are benefitting from the current enviroment.  But i don't blame them.  It's in their nature to maximize profits.  I blame the ruling class,  those with "R" and "D" following their titles.

 

but maybe this topic should revert back to God's Clowns in Baltimore...what are they burning today?

[wildcat junkie]

Death has been ruled a homocide & the arrest illegal to start with.

What was the charge anyway, a seat belt violation?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Death has been ruled a homocide & the arrest illegal to start with.

What was the charge anyway, a seat belt violation?

Wasn't worth a life, that is for sure. I will be the fist to say the Govt. is way to deep in our business and I have very little trust of the system left, but I can't imagine resisting even an unlawful traffic stop or vehicle search. You gotta just know it is going to escalate if you resist.

[Vince1]

Wasn't worth a life, that is for sure. I will be the fist to say the Govt. is way to deep in our business and I have very little trust of the system left, but I can't imagine resisting even an unlawful traffic stop or vehicle search. You gotta just know it is going to escalate if you resist.

They saw the kid running. Gave chase, takled him, broke his back, chained hands and legs, tossed him in back of police van, he got a rough ride and broke his neck when it slammed into back of van, all because he was running and they didnt know why.

[Mr VJP]

Vince1, how did you get a copy of the investigations findings? Even the State Attorney isn't saying what the investigation found. Could you post it here for all of us to see?

[Mr VJP]

If a person happens to point out that Baltimore’s criminally inept government has been run exclusively by Democrats since 1967 (with one Republican mayor since 1947) and features not a single city councilor who isn’t a liberal, he may be called a lazy apparatchik. Because not everything, you see, is reducible to mere party politics.

Now, if an economic renaissance sparked by the progressive policies of Stephanie Rawlings-Blake had lifted Baltimore from poverty, I imagine Democrats would be eager to claim credit for the accomplishment. Entire political debates are predicated on the effectiveness of partisan ideas. We blame presidents for recessions they probably have little to do with, yet according to liberal pundits, the party overseeing a city riddled with poverty, failing schools, high crime rates and racial tension bears no responsibility for what’s happening.

The president disagrees. Sort of. After a night of violence and looting in Baltimore, Barack Obama spoke to the press and said that “we, as a country, have to do some soul-searching” — by which he meant “they,” as in conservatives, need to get on board.

Obama said that solutions to mend Baltimore’s suffering are sitting right there in Washington — unpassed because of ideologically inflexible Republicans. “And there’s a bunch of my agenda that would make a difference right now,” Obama claimed before going on: “Now, I’m under no illusion that out of this Congress we’re going to get massive investments in urban communities, and so we’ll try to find areas where we can make a difference, around school reform and around job training and around some investments in infrastructure in these communities and trying to attract new businesses in.”

What piece of legislation have Republicans obstructed that would have helped keep families together in Baltimore — right now? Which proposal would have created jobs to turn the city around? What law has Obama lobbied for that would have made Baltimore’s police department — which has been answering to one party for decades — more compassionate or effective? Is there a criminal-justice reform effort that Obama’s been spearheading all these years that we’ve all forgotten about?

Yes, the war on drugs is a disaster. But Democrats are complicit in that war, too. And Democrats are also in charge of a city school system that has huge failure rates, despite the fact that Baltimore’s school district also has consistently ranked in the top five among the nation’s 100 largest school districts in spending per pupil. Like most big city districts, there is no accountability. It’s Democrats who consistently sink conservative education reform ideas (ones that in many cities are popular among African-American parents) for their union patrons.

For that matter, when did the president ever offer comprehensive legislation that would have brought “massive investments” to inner cities or reformed how government functions in urban communities? Was it when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House? Or was it after?

As Obama noted, the citizens of Baltimore (and all of us) have an alternative. They can care more, just as he does. “But that kind of political mobilization, I think, we haven’t seen in quite some time,” he explained. Rather than resort to counterproductive violence — the kind of violence numerous leftist pundits were justifying — Baltimore can vote for candidates who reflect and act on their concerns, candidates who will demand the police be accountable to civilian oversight. There are African-Americans in elected office and power positions throughout the city, so surely, there is no active racist faction undermining the ability of blacks to participate in democracy. Right now, they need better Democrats in Baltimore.

Where does the blame for the civil unrest lie? In plenty of places. Some of those places have absolutely nothing to do with politics and can’t be fixed by any Washington agenda — imagined or otherwise. The tribulations plaguing cities such as Baltimore are complex, having festered for years. But does that excuse the bungling of Democratic Party governance? Does it change the fact that massive amounts of spending have done little in the war on poverty?

And if Democrats claim that they are uniquely sympathetic toward the poor and weak, that welfare programs can never be reformed, only expanded, and that perpetually pumping “investments” into cities is the only way to alleviate the hardship faced by citizens, it’s more than fair to gauge the effectiveness — not to mention the competence — of those allocating and overseeing those policies. Because Republicans may be horrible, but they aren’t running Baltimore.

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[ants]

They saw the kid running. Gave chase, takled him, broke his back, chained hands and legs, tossed him in back of police van, he got a rough ride and broke his neck when it slammed into back of van, all because he was running and they didnt know why.

You sure about all off that?? Don't get me wrong, I don't know what happened at this point, but right now,are you sure thats what happened?? Wasn't there another prisoner in the van?? What did he say about getting a rough ride? If the ride was rough enough to break this kids neck, then was the other prisoner at least slightly injured?  Is he claiming to be a victim too?  I just  don't know….

[Vince1]

You sure about all off that?? Don't get me wrong, I don't know what happened at this point, but right now,are you sure thats what happened?? Wasn't there another prisoner in the van?? What did he say about getting a rough ride? If the ride was rough enough to break this kids neck, then was the other prisoner at least slightly injured? Is he claiming to be a victim too? I just don't know….

Apologies. I was just trying to point the previous poster to this event. He was talking about the guy who was shot and killed by a police officer over a traffic stop.

That was last week.

[ants]

Got it….So you're not sure about that other stuff then?…..Right?

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[ants]

I'm sorry i must have missed the memo but when was it decided that a job at a fast food franchise isn't meant to raise a family on or live on? I wasn't aware of the law or constitutional amendment promising Americans cheap fast food. Fast food employees average 29 year old and restaurant and food service employees make up the largest sector of public assistance users. I say stop bitching and pony up a few more cents for your fast food.

RIGHT!!! The skill that  it takes to wrap and serve your Mc Burger is still a skill. People who say that folks should be payed according to their skill level are morons.. Im sure that if you owned a burger joint, you would pay people 20-30 bucks an hour to perform such a specialized task. And no way you would go out of business for paying such a "Fair" rate. 

[Doc]

This may sound harsh but I am so tired of the race card. Every time there is an event involving an African American it turns to race, and people like Al Sharpton make a living keeping racism alive. when you seen the President and the Mayor make Sharpton a council your asking for trouble to ratchet it up. Now are there wrongs being done to people by SOME police Yes, not all. Now look at the people of color who are not qualified to do the job 1st comes to Mined the President and the Mayor of Baltimore, now I don't care about there color they are just not able to do the job elected to do. This Country has made head way on race related issues but Al Sharpton destroys that head way. The other think I take issue with is Slavery and Americans have this hanging over our head if you disagree with a person of Color your a racist. Slavery happen same as the Holocaust it was wrong lets move on. A racist Country WHAT we have a African American President and DOJ not to mention other position across the country, but if you fail on the job please stop blaming race. If you march and loot and rob your a thief looter and a criminal, no matter what race ethic background or religion you are. If you don't like what's going on do something before you use events after the fact. Last but not least most of these places have been under years of Democrat Liberal rule, if they want to fix it look at the elected official's and see there way of governing is not working. If only all those that marched or looted came out and Voted for the future of the cities and states. Stop Voting for Color of someone's skin or someone's party or sex and Vote the best for your community. Remember Abraham Lincoln was a republican, so stop giving your voice away by voting the status quo.

Yikes ..... pretty hot topic to be getting myself into, but as usual, I can't seem to keep my mouth shut.....lol.

 

I don't think anyone can argue that whites of this country have made HUGE progress in the battle against racism over the decades. That is a pretty tough point to argue ....HUGE. Now what we need is for the blacks to make similarly huge progress against racism as well. There comes a time where these senseless riots become more of a party-time free-for-all than any kind of statement of rage. It ceases to be about race when these thugs (there I used the word...lol) begin attacking their own. At that point they have lost all credibility and are obviously using race as an excuse for vandalism, theft and mayhem. Yes there have been crimes against black people perpetrated, and those responsible need to be prosecuted. That black businessman down the street whose place got burned down didn't do anything to anyone except attempt to earn a living.

[SteveB]

http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2014/12/2015-baltimore-city-homicidesmurders.html

 

12 non police murders in Baltimore since Freddie Grey - all open and I bet most are black victims.

Where's the outrage from the community here?

Don't these "Black Lives Matter"?

 

74 total murders this year - 9 closed.

25 listed victims as having no violent record.

No protests or marches for any but 1 - the police involved one.

[greg54]

They are crying racism and murder by white cops....but some of the cops arrested were black cops

[The_Field_Ager]

They are crying racism and murder by white cops....but some of the cops arrested were black cops

 

 

Doesn't matter. Only the white ones are guilty. Statistically cops kill more whites than black folk. Why is the killing of whitey not newsworthy? 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

[Huntscreek]

Doesn't matter. Only the white ones are guilty. Statistically cops kill more whites than black folk. Why is the killing of whitey not newsworthy? 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

Because There is no money nor votes to be had in it.

[wildcat junkie]

Doesn't matter. Only the white ones are guilty. Statistically cops kill more whites than black folk. Why is the killing of whitey not newsworthy?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.

Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

[greg54]

And now the mentality will spread among the minority population and that is if we don't like something, we will just riot and burn buildings and cars and rob and steal at will till we get what we want. What a bunch of crap. I'm surprised the liberals haven't blamed Bush yet for the Baltimore riots.....but they will soon enough.