What happened to the Xbow inclusion thread?

[Doewhacker]

58 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

What a conincidence LJC.  You were talking about the other hunter that shot a P&Y with a recurve at 25yds.  I thought those odds were so ridiculously low it couldn't happen twice and I was the person WNY was referring to when you responded saying it was really an 8yd shot.  I am done with this thread now.  

Um it's spelled rediculoos. Duh

[BigVal]

I was against it, but after yesterday's release malfunction I'll change that. Lol if I had a xbow that'd be a dead monster 10. 

[Buckmaster7600]

I just wish they would change southern zone to the same way Northern is and have a week long smoke pole season before rifle and you can use your Xbow if you want. That makes everyone happy. The guys who don't want to practice with a Vert bow can still kill deer before it gets too cold, the very guys don't have Xbow guys in the woods with them. The vert bow guys loose a week of season but they still would have a nearly6 week season to themselves and the state gets what they want because more deer will be killed.


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[reeltime]

Pa. went full inclusion in 2009, I see quite a few xbow hunters but I still see alot of vert. bow hunters as well.  the numbers don't lie there was a marked increase in archery tag sales and has been going up since 2009.

 
License Type 2005     2006     2007     2008     2009     2010     2011     2012     2013     2014     2015
R Archery     257,159     256,662     255,188     260,001     274,583     277,602     285,549     297,031     312,045     319,850     326,870
nr  "     12,593     12,089     11,653     11,022     11,814     11,812     12,243     12,283     12,996     13,151     13,604

[phade]

15 hours ago, Doewhacker said:

And FYI's a quiver sniffer is a hang on that wants to be part of the crew kinda, you know the guy that blows smoke to sound cool and heaps praise onto successful hunters. It came from Archery Talk and the "Ohio Booner" era. 

Did you know the big buck we were chasing in 2013 was used by that guy to dupe a guy from FL to swap a hunt with him?

[phade]

9 hours ago, LJC said:

Most guys don't give a f about what they use what ever is easier for them to hunt deer they will use .

You put xbow in all archery 95% will  us a xbow that's a fact you can look up by the increase in xbow sells and the decrease in bow sells as more states made xbows legal .

It will allso mean more gun hunters will get into archery now .

Which if you just want to gun hunt or just want to bow hunt  then gun hunt  will have a, impact it just will .

 

 

Ohio has a long standing xbow inclusion and they are not at 95%. Around 50% use xbow. They've had xbow for decades.

[airedale]

• It has always been easy to see why Ohio has allowed crossbows, they basically want all weapons used for Deer hunting to be on the shorter range end of the scale.
• That being said a single shot Winchester High Wall, Remington Rolling Block or a 1874 Sharps firing one of those old Buffalo cartridges with modern components could shoot a pretty far piece for someone that knows what they are doing.
• Al
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• Hunting Equipment By Species

 

 

White-Tailed Deer

Archery Season

Longbow: Minimum draw weight 40 pounds. This includes compound bows and recurve bows. The arrow tip needs a minimum of two cutting edges, which may be exposed or unexposed and a minimum 3/4-inch width. Expandable and mechanical broadheads are legal.

Crossbow: Minimum draw weight 75 pounds. The arrow tip needs a minimum of two cutting edges, which may be exposed or unexposed and a minimum 3/4-inch width. Expandable and mechanical broadheads are legal.

 

Gun Season and Youth Gun Season

Shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition).

Muzzleloading rifle: .38 caliber or larger.

Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel.

Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger.

Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.

Edited November 1, 2016 by airedale

[brownclown]

I guess ill repeat myself for the millionth time. Well i know it is inevitable that full inclusion will occur based on DEC goals of eliminating as many deer as possible continues. Im just curious of those of who are insisting for full inclusion during bow season, will you fight or object when this slippery slope inevitably starts including muzzle loaders ? The only reasoning/argument that i see being proposed by the those who want full inclusion consists of nothing more then "it's not fair". it just seems to be a jealousy yet no one is stopping you from using the compound now. Those of you that physically cant (age, disability, etc.) should be allowed use of xbow and that seems universally supported by all posting.  All of you on full inclusion have the all or nothing mind set. Why not compromise.  Split the season evenly or allow xbow use during archery on private land. To me that seems like everybody would be getting what we want. Hunters would be united. seems simple to me but unfortunately Compound users are the ones who will lose (this time, next it will be xbow ) because untimely in isnt about the hunter, it is about DEC agendas which i dont believe align with most hunters. 

[Doewhacker]

40 minutes ago, phade said:

Did you know the big buck we were chasing in 2013 was used by that guy to dupe a guy from FL to swap a hunt with him?

That's crazy but not surprising given that dude's M.O.

[Doewhacker]

18 minutes ago, brownclown said:

. Im just curious of those of who are insisting for full inclusion during bow season, will you fight or object when this slippery slope inevitably starts including muzzle loaders ?. 

I see it as the opposite effect, add Crossbows and have another reason why ML or guns wont be needed in the future. ML's in bow is already on the edge of reality with the DEC, maybe because they cannot put crossbows into archery season? 

 

It will take a law change to make that happen but no law change to bring guns into archery. Let that sink in.

[chas0218]

18 hours ago, Jmp209 said:

My home state of pa allowed full inclusion several years back and seems to have caused no negative impact to deer numbers. After hearing opinions on both sides and seeing no major impact from full inclusion I don't see what it could hurt to allow them.

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I beg to differ on that part. Look at the number of deer killed with a x-bow since inclusion it started at a low percentage and slowly doubled now in the upper 80% range meaning that after full inclusion that was the weapon of choice and deer harvest numbers went up. I will try and find the graph that was put out by the PA game commission at the moment it is eluding me.

[WNYBuckHunter]

18 hours ago, airedale said:

Your argument is lame trying to equate early hunting archery of 40-50 years ago, the rules and what it took to become proficient to take a deer with today's modern crossbow.

 

Al

You said that crossbow guys should have to deal with advances in technology just like vertical bow hunters did. My point is, that bowhunters were allowed to use the most advanced bow hunting technology of the day when the season was created. Why should crossbow guys not get the same deal?

 

Whats really lame is the jealousy and all out falsities that guys like you spew just because you dont want to share the woods with others. On top of that, most of you say that out of one side of your mouth, and then complain about the waning participation in our sport out of the other side. Cant have it both ways.

[WNYBuckHunter]

16 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Personally I would love to see full inclusion. Couple it with a one buck rule and handle ALL antlerless through the lottery system. 

Absolutely

[stoneam2006]

Absolutely

Im in for 1 buck and 1 doe then lottery for the rest.

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[chas0218]

5 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Whats really lame is the jealousy and all out falsities that guys like you spew just because you dont want to share the woods with others. On top of that, most of you say that out of one side of your mouth, and then complain about the waning participation in our sport out of the other side. Cant have it both ways.

There is no winning with you, it's like trying to get a Clinton loving liberal to vote for Trump it's not going to happen.

To each their own, I hope for the sake of archery season it stays the way it is.

[WNYBuckHunter]

9 hours ago, LJC said:

Really just look at this thread most guys are for xbow inclusion why do you think that is because there going to keep using there  bow lol they all going to go to the latest greatest thing the crossbow. 

Then will come the airbow which  has the potential to be  made even more powerful then even a  xbow . Lol  I already know the future. 

Already guys where xbows been legal are pushing for the airbow because they say it's safer . I will post you a video if you don't know what I'm talking about 

 

Its not archery equipment. No limbs, no string. Just another extreme that you and your ilk keep resorting to when your original argument has been torn down.

[airedale]

2 hours ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Whats really lame is the jealousy and all out falsities that guys like you spew just because you dont want to share the woods with others. On top of that, most of you say that out of one side of your mouth, and then complain about the waning participation in our sport out of the other side. Cant have it both ways.

Hey guy I don't buy a bow stamp or archery hunt anymore and won' be anytime soon. The woods and Deer can be all yours and I could care less if you want to use a Bazooka. My opinion on this matter has not one thing to do about jealousy or sharing the woods, for  me it is always about destroying the original concept of the special archery season's primitive special season. It was supposed to be hard! Nobody here can convince me that a modern crossbow with a scope, firearm style trigger, fires and has the accuracy of a short range rifle is hunting the special season in that primitive spirit that seems to have been conveniently forgotten.

Al

Edited November 1, 2016 by airedale

[chas0218]

12 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Its not archery equipment. No limbs, no string. Just another extreme that you and your ilk keep resorting to when your original argument has been torn down.

But it shoots an arrow so it must be considered archery, you're a smart guy you can see what he and most of us are saying.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

30 minutes ago, stoneam2006 said:

 

Im in for 1 buck and 1 doe then lottery for the rest.

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let me ask. (And I take full advantage of this during northern Zoned muzzleloader). Why should I be able to shoot a doe with a bow or ML and a person that just gun hunts doesn't get a chance at an antlerless? That is why I said that all antlerless should be by lottery. if you get a tag burn it up with whatever weapon is allowed in the season. 

[chas0218]

5 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

let me ask. (And I take full advantage of this during northern Zoned muzzleloader). Why should I be able to shoot a doe with a bow or ML and a person that just gun hunts doesn't get a chance at an antlerless? That is why I said that all antlerless should be by lottery. if you get a tag burn it up with whatever weapon is allowed in the season. 

Personally I think the gun hunters should be a earn a buck not archery.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

5 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Personally I think the gun hunters should be a earn a buck not archery.

Why?

[stoneam2006]

let me ask. (And I take full advantage of this during northern Zoned muzzleloader). Why should I be able to shoot a doe with a bow or ML and a person that just gun hunts doesn't get a chance at an antlerless? That is why I said that all antlerless should be by lottery. if you get a tag burn it up with whatever weapon is allowed in the season. 

I get it..but no reason a rifle hunters can mz hunt a cheap one is 100 bucks or less

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[chas0218]

5 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Why?

If you are going to make anyone earn a buck that would make the most sense as there are more gun hunters than archers that would allow DEC to cull the deer herd numbers they want. It won't work in NY anyway not enough officers/man power to enforce.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

5 minutes ago, stoneam2006 said:

 

I get it..but no reason a rifle hunters can mz hunt a cheap one is 100 bucks or less

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You are missing the point. The herd should be managed through the permit system in my opinion. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

5 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

If you are going to make anyone earn a buck that would make the most sense as there are more gun hunters than archers that would allow DEC to cull the deer herd numbers they want. It won't work in NY anyway not enough officers/man power to enforce.

so you are going to make hunters in the NZ earn a buck when they can't take a doe? Who said anything about EAB