The battle,over gun rights

[chas0218]

15 hours ago, Storm914 said:

You got to ask your self who gave these clowns the idea that it would be fun cool to go around killing people just for kicks . Way back when 40 50 years ago  Before when video games and movies were more censored  restricted you did not have this problem They need to do  a better job of keeping these weak minded nut jobs away from that trash .And off the drugs . And take them more seriously when they start making threats .  

 

 

Not so much that but parents gave a damn what their kid was doing and not just sitting them in front of the 1 eyed babysitter. The video games and movies all have ratings that parents "should" use to gauge what they should be watching and playing. I know with my wife and myself growing up we didn't get to watch R rated movies until we were 15 or 16. I teach middle school and I can tell you the number of kids that have seen movies like "The wolf of wall street" would blow your minds.

I'm sorry but a lot of all this crap we see happening is all a result of how that person was raised as a child, and influences of today's media.

Edited February 27, 2018 by chas0218

[Hunter007]

9 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Not so much that but parents gave a damn what their kid was doing and not just sitting them in front of the 1 eyed babysitter. The video games and movies all have ratings that parents "should" use to gauge what they should be watching and playing. I know with my wife and myself growing up we didn't get to watch R rated movies until we were 15 or 16. I teach middle school and I can tell you the number of kids that have seen movies like "The wolf of wall street" would blow your minds.

I'm sorry but a lot of all this crap we see happening is all a result of how that person was raised as a child, and influences of today's media.

Sure a lot of the  problem  is the parents,  some  they  teach there dogs better values then there kids these days and spend more time with the dog then the kid .  You see them in the shopping centers now with the dog ,instead of spending time with there kid they bring the dog to the mall and supermarket .  Crazy

[Doc]

I will say that amusement and recreational media have taken a bit of a gross direction. The rash of C.S.I programs that feature dead and mutilated bodies has become standard fare for TV viewing. What the heck makes that crap so entertaining. I mean in the last bunch of years, it seems like you can't watch a nights programming without the obligatory hacked up body on a coroner's gurney with the giant stiches across the chest and the hearts and livers and other assorted human organs laying in a pan. Is that entertainment? Programs such as Criminal Minds feature super realistic torture scenes detailing exact methods and reactions as the victim slowly undergoes agonizing and gruesome deaths. Is that what we see as entertainment these days?

Sure back in my day we had the bad guys getting shot off their horses on the weekly western shows, and the absolute worst, nastiest hombre always went down without even a red mark. We even had the popularity of the "hand-shooters" who always bested the bad guys by shooting the gun out of the bad guys hand ..... Ha-ha-ha. Damn those guys were good! Now today we are treated to the blood and brain spray out of the back of the head, and the growing pool of blood gathering around the head as the lifeless corpse lays twisted on the pavement. There is also the blood spray patterns on the walls depicted in these fictional murder scene investigations. It has all gone beyond simple artistic representation and has become a feeding frenzy of constant blood, death, violence and gore to the point where this stuff is being force-fed to our youth. Look at the prime time programming line-up and tell me that you don't see an over-representation of this kind of stuff. And every year it gets worse. Perhaps we are starting to reap what we are sowing. We are desensitizing our youth to these kinds of treatments of other people. We are showing them that an acceptable means of solving whatever problems that they have in their lives can be solved with a stab of a knife or a pull of a trigger. It is an indoctrination....a brainwashing. It has reached a point where for those with severe defects in social skills or weaknesses in judgment, or those that start hearing voices have now found an alternative solution that they learned on TV through a lifetime of forced study. At what point does it cross over from simple reality to trained obsession for the right mental conditions?

[chas0218]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

I will say that amusement and recreational media have taken a bit of a gross direction. The rash of C.S.I programs that feature dead and mutilated bodies has become standard fare for TV viewing. What the heck makes that crap so entertaining. I mean in the last bunch of years, it seems like you can't watch a nights programming without the obligatory hacked up body on a coroner's gurney with the giant stiches across the chest and the hearts and livers and other assorted human organs laying in a pan. Is that entertainment? Programs such as Criminal Minds feature super realistic torture scenes detailing exact methods and reactions as the victim slowly undergoes agonizing and gruesome deaths. Is that what we see as entertainment these days?

Sure back in my day we had the bad guys getting shot off their horses on the weekly western shows, and the absolute worst, nastiest hombre always went down without even a red mark. We even had the popularity of the "hand-shooters" who always bested the bad guys by shooting the gun out of the bad guys hand ..... Ha-ha-ha. Damn those guys were good! Now today we are treated to the blood and brain spray out of the back of the head, and the growing pool of blood gathering around the head as the lifeless corpse lays twisted on the pavement. There is also the blood spray patterns on the walls depicted in these fictional murder scene investigations. It has all gone beyond simple artistic representation and has become a feeding frenzy of constant blood, death, violence and gore to the point where this stuff is being force-fed to our youth. Look at the prime time programming line-up and tell me that you don't see an over-representation of this kind of stuff. And every year it gets worse. Perhaps we are starting to reap what we are sowing. We are desensitizing our youth to these kinds of treatments of other people. We are showing them that an acceptable means of solving whatever problems that they have in their lives can be solved with a stab of a knife or a pull of a trigger. It is an indoctrination....a brainwashing. It has reached a point where for those with severe defects in social skills or weaknesses in judgment, or those that start hearing voices have now found an alternative solution that they learned on TV through a lifetime of forced study. At what point does it cross over from simple reality to trained obsession for the right mental conditions?

You're right but I think as adults it shouldn't bother most of us that kind of gore. The problem is the children see this, and think it is the norm. I have changed what I watch on TV with the kids around to not show them this kind of stuff or to hear the swear words that seem to litter all forms of entertainment. He might hear dad slip once in a while but between me and some of the radio shows and television he won't hear it nearly as much from me. It is things like that more parents need to do. Just the other day my wife had some today's hit radio on and the women on there swore right on radio like it was nothing. What happened to the day guys didn't swear around women and when women didn't swear around guys.

Edited February 27, 2018 by chas0218

[Hunter007]

44 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

You're right but I think as adults it shouldn't bother most of us that kind of gore. The problem is the children see this, and think it is the norm. I have changed what I watch on TV with the kids around to not show them this kind of stuff or to hear the swear words that seem to litter all forms of entertainment. He might hear dad slip once in a while but between me and some of the radio shows and television he won't hear it nearly as much from me. It is things like that more parents need to do. Just the other day my wife had some today's hit radio on and the women on there swore right on radio like it was nothing. What happened to the day guys didn't swear around women and when women didn't swear around guys.

They talk about gun control but really we need to be talking about kid contol keeping kids  especially mentally  sick kids away from all the violence in video games and movies . Right now its a joke .

Don't tell me all that gore and violence in  realistic video games and movies don't have a big part of why this is happing because it started right around the time things changed for the worse  in the  90s . Around 

You take a kid that is mental to begin with and then feed him  all that crap  for years and don't watch over them right .

And you get things like this .

[fasteddie]

Hey Doc --- Remember when Bob Steele had time to put on his gloves before a fist fight and the good guys always had time to put their white cowboy hats back on during the fight ? Hopalong Cassidy drank milk in a bar . Hardly anyone ever ran out of bullets . OOPS , I think I am getting off topic and I have to check my spelling before Belo does ! 

[Single_shot]

I was a yearly member for a few years and stopped because all they did IMO at the time, was ask for money 2 or 3 times a week. It grew old quickly to say the least. Now that my hair is getting...ah heck, IS salt and no pepper, and with the situation getting bleaker by the day, I decided to go with the 5yr membership and get a magazine and a backpack to boot. Times have really changed since the 80's...I miss the good 'ole days.

[Single_shot]

6 hours ago, Storm914 said:

They talk about gun control but really we need to be talking about kid contol keeping kids  especially mentally  sick kids away from all the violence in video games and movies . Right now its a joke .

Don't tell me all that gore and violence in  realistic video games and movies don't have a big part of why this is happing because it started right around the time things changed for the worse  in the  90s . Around 

You take a kid that is mental to begin with and then feed him  all that crap  for years and don't watch over them right .

And you get things like this .

What we need is a FBI that will actually ACT on suspicion and not worry about stepping on someone's "rights" . What about the victims rights? The FBI dropped the ball along with 4 ARMED AND TRAINED LEO'S.

[Nomad]

So Dicks nationwide will no longer sell assault “ style guns “,  normal  ( what they call HiGH capacity ) mags,or any gun to somebody under 22 y/o .

Thank you Single Shot, there is a way to notify them so they stop asking all the time .

Dues money by law can’t be used for political purposes, hence the begging for it .

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by Stay at home Nomad

[WNYBuckHunter]

50 minutes ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

So Dicks nationwide will no longer sell assault “ style guns “,  normal  ( what they call HiGH capacity ) mags,or any gun to somebody under 22 y/o .

 

 

Already cut up my Score cards, and looking into what I have to do to close the account completely.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

1 hour ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

So Dicks nationwide will no longer sell assault “ style guns “,  normal  ( what they call HiGH capacity ) mags,or any gun to somebody under 22 y/o .

Thank you Single Shot, there is a way to notify them so they stop asking all the time .

Dues money by law can’t be used for political purposes, hence the begging for it .

 

Yup...Everybody, don't forget Field and Stream is Dick's

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Dick's closed yesterday at 31.80. I'll be curious to see what today brings. 

 

[fasteddie]

I will still continue to shop at DICKs and Field and Stream . The Rochester Walmarts no longer sell guns and I will continue to shop at those stores . Maybe I will Boycott Wegmans , Riteaid and BJ's because they don't sell any guns . 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

11 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

I will still continue to shop at DICKs and Field and Stream . The Rochester Walmarts no longer sell guns and I will continue to shop at those stores . Maybe I will Boycott Wegmans , Riteaid and BJ's because they don't sell any guns . 

I'll go to Cabela's, Bass Pro, Runnings or buy on line. 

Anyone else hear a rumor that Beikerks is closing up the Rochester store? I figured it wasn't far off when the opened the PA store. 

[Nomad]

That rumor has been around for years , someday it may come true I guess.

small ray of sunshine here. 

https://morningconsult.com/2018/02/28/firms-see-negative-responses-to-cutting-business-ties-with-nra/

Dissapointed to read Fasteddies comments on Dick’s .

ARs are not the antis end game, most of them will,tell you it’s a start , or the “ least that should be done .”

[left field]

On 2/27/2018 at 11:42 AM, chas0218 said:

You're right but I think as adults it shouldn't bother most of us that kind of gore. The problem is the children see this, and think it is the norm. I have changed what I watch on TV with the kids around to not show them this kind of stuff or to hear the swear words that seem to litter all forms of entertainment. He might hear dad slip once in a while but between me and some of the radio shows and television he won't hear it nearly as much from me. It is things like that more parents need to do. Just the other day my wife had some today's hit radio on and the women on there swore right on radio like it was nothing. What happened to the day guys didn't swear around women and when women didn't swear around guys.

This is a pet peeve of mine. I'm always shocked at how adult men swear a blue streak in public in front of kids or women . And much to the chagrin of my young nieces and nephews, I always say something. The sad thing is these guys don't even realize that they shouldn't be swearing in public. There was a guy at a Barnes and Noble swearing into his phone - not angrily, just peppering F into his conversation. Every second word. Loudly. I finally called out to him to stop swearing and he looked at me like I was insane - as if I asked him to stop speaking. He moved on after realising what I was talking about.

I'm sure I'm going to get shot someday.

Edited February 28, 2018 by left field

[WNYBuckHunter]

On 2/26/2018 at 1:37 PM, steve863 said:

I wouldn't disagree with you on that, but whose fault is it that family values are going to hell??   Just because many families these days have poor values, and society puts little emphasis on good old fashioned values, doesn't mean your or my family has to go down the same route.  To hell with what today's society wants or expects, it's time for everyone to get their OWN house in order.  I can't stand people blaming society for this and that while their own lives are so F*&$ed up that it isn't even funny!  Why would that be everyone else's fault??

 

 

 

 

 

Heres where society becomes the problem. How can people get their own homes in order now days? As a society, we have all but removed the ability to properly punish kids at home or in school. They have been taught that if their parent or a teacher lays a hand on them, or sometimes even yells at them the wrong way, they can go to the authorities and have that person arrested, etc. for "child abuse". Hell, all they have to do is lie and say they were hit or abused in some way and CPS has to at least investigate it. That has laid the foundation that there are no real repercussions to their actions, and they can do whatever they want to do because the adults are too afraid of the legal ramifications of punishing them. Many younger people now lack respect for any type of authority, they lack respect for anyone (including themselves), and all it takes is for their wiring to be just a little off and you have a real problem on your hands.

Now, before you say that I dont know what Im talking about, etc etc, Ill just let you know that my girlfriend has been a CPS investigator for going on 20 years.

[BizCT]

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[steve863]

24 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Heres where society becomes the problem. How can people get their own homes in order now days? As a society, we have all but removed the ability to properly punish kids at home or in school. They have been taught that if their parent or a teacher lays a hand on them, or sometimes even yells at them the wrong way, they can go to the authorities and have that person arrested, etc. for "child abuse". Hell, all they have to do is lie and say they were hit or abused in some way and CPS has to at least investigate it. That has laid the foundation that there are no real repercussions to their actions, and they can do whatever they want to do because the adults are too afraid of the legal ramifications of punishing them. Many younger people now lack respect for any type of authority, they lack respect for anyone (including themselves), and all it takes is for their wiring to be just a little off and you have a real problem on your hands.

Now, before you say that I dont know what Im talking about, etc etc, Ill just let you know that my girlfriend has been a CPS investigator for going on 20 years.

I hear what you are saying, but honestly good parenting shouldn't even need to get to the point where you need to beat the kid to make them understand.  There are ways to get your point across without having to whip them.  You have to start them off young and follow thru with what you promised them the punishment would be.   I know it don't take much these days for the authorities to deem things "child abuse", but at the same time some parents punishments can go a bit overboard also.  What some parent thinks is an acceptable punishment may in reality be a bit more than that.  So there can be a fine line there sometimes.  I surely don't have all the answers to this, but do know that one can discipline kids without ever needing to worry that it will be considered child abuse by anyone.  If you start beating them, then you better have some self-control and know when to say when.  Sometimes if one goes looking for trouble, they find it, so it's best to approach things with your head rather than act out in rage.

 

 

 

[ADK Native]

Culvercreek thanks for the info on Dick's.  I am done with them.

Notice that Dick's position on reducing or eliminating gun violence is MORE gun control.  There no mention of advocating to attack the two major root causes of gun violence that are:

1. The distribution, sale and use of illegal drugs.  Does Dick's support dope dealing and dope addicts?  where is there call for harsh penalties and execution of dope dealers?  Where is there plan to have REAL rehabilitation programs for dope addicts?

2. The failed mental health system.  Does Dick's support the violently mentally ill to remain loose in public?  Where is Dick's plan to institutionalize the violently mentally ill before they harm someone?

Gun control advocates need to see the wisdom in the quote:  Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Wilderness

[WNYBuckHunter]

22 minutes ago, steve863 said:

I hear what you are saying, but honestly good parenting shouldn't even need to get to the point where you need to beat the kid to make them understand.  There are ways to get your point across without having to whip them.  You have to start them off young and follow thru with what you promised them the punishment would be.   I know it don't take much these days for the authorities to deem things "child abuse", but at the same time some parents punishments can go a bit overboard also.  What some parent thinks is an acceptable punishment may in reality be a bit more than that.  So there can be a fine line there sometimes.  I surely don't have all the answers to this, but do know that one can discipline kids without ever needing to worry that it will be considered child abuse by anyone.  If you start beating them, then you better have some self-control and know when to say when.  Sometimes if one goes looking for trouble, they find it, so it's best to approach things with your head rather than act out in rage.

 

 

 

With most kids, in most situations, I agree that laying a hand on them is not necessary, but it doesnt hold true for all of them. Some kids need a "swift kick in the ass" from time to time to get the point. Im not condoning beating them, but if you so much as leave a mark on a kids ass from a spanking, you could be in deep doo doo. Talking, grounding, taking things away just does not work for all kids.

Heres an example. My mom's neighbor when she lived in Florida had a son. I witnessed how he was raised, great people, great parenting from all accounts. When the kid was about 14 he started acting out here and there, as many teenagers do. The parents tried the normal groundings, etc, but he became more confrontational with them, and everyone else around. One day when he was 16, he was in front of the house yelling at his mother at the top of his lungs, getting in her face, etc when his dad arrived home. His dad stepped in and grabbed the front of his shirt to pull him in a bit closer to talk to him and quiet things down, well thats when his pinky nail scratched the kids chest about 1/2" in length. The kid called the police, and his father ended up in jail for 3 days. The whole scene was witnessed by my mother and a couple of the other neighbors, who all made statements to the police about how things went down. That was the thing that saved the guy from spending more than a few days in jail, but he still went to jail. All because he tried to handle things the way they needed to be.

I feel very lucky that my kids, so far, have not needed alot of punishment. I spanked my daughter once when she was 4 and my son a few times when he was 3 or 4, but thats it. I never did it out of rage, and I did not like it at all, but it was necessary to get the point across. Again though, Ive been lucky that my 2 kids behave better than most.

[WNYBuckHunter]

So heres one for the guys that think all they want to ban are "assault rifles". The writing is pretty clearly on the wall now.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

"The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine, as well as semi-automatic rifles with a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, the legislation bans the sale, transfer, production, and importation of semi-automatic shotguns with features such as a pistol grip or detachable stock, and ammunition feeding devices that can hold more than 10 rounds.

Cicilline’s legislation names 205 specific firearms that are prohibited, including the AK-47 and AR-15."

[Marion]

So heres one for the guys that think all they want to ban are "assault rifles". The writing is pretty clearly on the wall now.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087
"The bill prohibits the “sale, transfer, production, and importation” of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that can hold a detachable magazine, as well as semi-automatic rifles with a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, the legislation bans the sale, transfer, production, and importation of semi-automatic shotguns with features such as a pistol grip or detachable stock, and ammunition feeding devices that can hold more than 10 rounds.
Cicilline’s legislation names 205 specific firearms that are prohibited, including the AK-47 and AR-15."

So we are all going to be stuck with WW2 Welrods for pistols?

You Can't Beat My Meat!!!

[hugedogleg]

Because we  live in a one party state New York that's why .
 

Exactly. NRA is not wasting funds fighting battles in states where they can't win. They don't spend money in Texas either cause the anti gun folks got no chance here. Just like presidential election you have to concentrate on states you have a chance to win. Hillary spent no time in Texas.

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[hugedogleg]

At some point there has to be some give. Why not give up the AR-15 and see what happens. Again the worls has changed and we have lost some of our freedoms get used to it.  

The people who would turn in there AR's are not the ones shooting up schools.

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