Voting Irregularities

[Splitear]

30 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

Hey my friend,

You seem very level headed when it comes to politics and i agree that somehow this country needs to compromise. But, i am for sure, one of those 56 million people that doesn't believe this was a free and fair election and I can't even explain how that makes me feel. If we can't believe in the election, then this is no longer the United States of America. What makes me question it has nothing to do with the fact that Trump lost. I didn't believe that Obama wasn't our president although i was disappointed.  It has to do with what to me, seems like common sense. Trump received more votes than anyone ever......I am supposed to believe, that Biden, a guy that has run for president already,  has not had a single accomplishment in 43 years, and was arguably the weakest candidate put forth by democrats in years, got more votes then Trump. Common sense tells you that, in reality that didn't happen. This is what happens when one party is pushing for every way possible to get votes to count no matter where they come from. Mail in ballots sent out by the millions....ballots able to be picked up by 3rd party sources.....ballots not requiring signature verification.....no voter ID laws. Every one of those things allow fraud. I believe this election was ripe with fraud, i also believe sadly, that this will never be proven. Poll watchers not allowed to watch tallied votes in Philly, Atlanta, Detroit....How is this ok? Sadly a sworn affidavit, shows this most likely happened but it isn't evidence that it happened. I also find it hard to believe that a party, that was willing to pay for a fake dossier, ruin a Generals life, try every tactic possible to ruin a freely elected President up too bogus impeachment, would have no issue at all, cheating in an election.  I believe the United States of America died in 2020. And it wasn't because of Covid. I can't even explain how said that makes me feel to say.....I am seriously thinking about taking my American Flag down....cause at the very least, we are now the States of America because there is nothing united about us....

I feel the same about you as far as being level headed. I know we’re on opposite sides of the Trump thing, but I’ve never seen you be anything but respectful and thoughtful, and I admire you for that. 
Listen, I understand how it feels. I bought into the 2016 Russia stuff after Trump won in 2016, because at the time I couldn’t believe a guy like him could be elected. I even gave $5 to Jill Stein for the recount push. It sucks, it’s hard to come to terms with. I also thought that 2016 was the end of America as I knew it as well. While Trump supporters were reveling in “Liberal Tears”, I clung to all of the talking points for quite a while. 
However, I eventually had to accept that he won, and he was President. I also got used to life with Trump as President, and for the most part until this election cycle, he factored very little into my everyday life. 
I just hope there is some resolution for everyone. I know I cannot provide that resolution. I will not find joy in Trump supporters’ disappointment however, and I hope that at some point we can all get past the divide that politics has driven between us.

On a more immediate front, I hope you and your family have a great Holiday. Maybe we’ll be able to hit up the auction again sometime soon!

Edited November 25, 2020 by Splitear

[steve863]

20 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

  It has to do with what to me, seems like common sense. Trump received more votes than anyone ever......I am supposed to believe, that Biden, a guy that has run for president already,  has not had a single accomplishment in 43 years, and was arguably the weakest candidate put forth by democrats in years, got more votes then Trump. Common sense tells you that, in reality that didn't happen. 

Yes, Biden was a weak candidate and should have lost.  Can you believe that Trump was hated more than Biden, thus this led to a Biden victory?  Maybe you should because that's exactly what happened.  There is one reason that Trump lost and his name is Donald J. Trump.

 

 

[Versatile_Hunter]

28 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

I am arguing, and agreeing....I think this was the most fraudulent election in history....I also don't think that will ever be proven. Its just common sense and millions and millions of people agree with me....

If something is so obvious that it resides in the realm of common sense, proving it or at least presenting some plausible evidence of widespread fraud should be easy. Thus far, every lawsuit brought forth by the administration’s legal team has been dismissed (even by conservative judges) on the grounds of no evidence. There is no widespread fraud, just a sore loser of a president who was too unhinged to hold onto a presidency that was his to lose. It’s over now - may the country move forward and heal. 

[Versatile_Hunter]

On 11/23/2020 at 2:14 PM, Doc said:

It is not true that "all of the lawsuits have been rejected". There are 11,000 incidents of voter fraud, most of which have not even been presented in any court yet. So let's at least try to keep the claims as honest as you can. If there was only one, I would expect that you and other democrats would want it to be investigated and any perpetrators arrested and prosecuted regardless of whether or not it had any impact on the final result. Personally I want these cheaters and vote manipulators made an example of regardless of which affiliation they come from. I do not understand why you do not. 

All major lawsuits that had the potential to delay the outcome of the election have been rejected on the grounds of no evidence. There may be a statistically minuscule and insignificant account of voter error or fraud, but as with all previous elections, these are highly infrequent and inconsequential and certainly to not amass to the widespread, election turning voting fraud accusations made by the president and his hacks. 

[ApexerER]

1 hour ago, Splitear said:

On a more immediate front, I hope you and your family have a great Holiday. Maybe we’ll be able to hit up the auction again sometime soon!

You too my friend.....That would be great. I have been getting the letters again but i haven't looked at them....

And i can only hope that like Trump having very little impact on your daily life, Biden will be the same for me......

[Splitear]

17 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

You too my friend.....That would be great. I have been getting the letters again but i haven't looked at them....

And i can only hope that like Trump having very little impact on your daily life, Biden will be the same for me......

I don’t think there’s another until the end of next month. They have really been limiting seating, giving priority to dealers and consistent customers, which is only fair. I’ve stopped in and left a few bids, but haven’t bought much over the past few months. 
As far and the impact, all I can say is that I had a realization that there is a whole industry that makes money off of scaring people and creating outrage. I just hope that we can all find a little peace and understanding with each other. 

[left field]

 

11 minutes ago, Splitear said:

I just hope that we can all find a little peace and understanding with each other. 

Well there’s a Tiny Tim moment if there ever was one ... “God bless us, every one!" 

[Splitear]

5 minutes ago, left field said:

 

Well there’s a Tiny Tim moment if there ever was one ... “God bless us, every one!" 

Way to ruin the moment!

[left field]

32 minutes ago, Splitear said:

Way to ruin the moment!

I could have quoted the other Tiny Tim. 

[Grouse]

I guess I should be looking forward to 22 million illegals being made citizens, student loans being transferred to taxpayers, higher taxes, more idiotic gun control, fewer police, more attacks on whites calling them racists, and God only knows what other leftist utopian dreams will will suffer under.

All the while knowing Trump wasn't "hated" as someone said, since he got more votes than any other Presidential candidate in history, and he was in office to represent all US citizens.  All the while knowing this election was the most fraud prone ever in the history of the US.  All the while knowing all the leftist criminals currently under investigation will get away scott free.  All the while knowing the DC swamp is filling up again and is setting it's sights on destroying more of our freedoms and liberties, while massively increasing the National Debt and intent on causing an economic collapse.  And all the while knowing any opposition to this new leftist regime will be squashed with an iron fist and stomped with a jack boot.

Don't think that is hyperbole.  This new administration has already spewed narratives that support all of it.  It reminds me of what Castro did as soon as he gained power.

Why anyone thinks Americans will tolerate such abuse is beyond me.  Biden voters brought this upon us and whatever happens in the US from now on can be laid at their feet.  They won't have Trump to blame anymore, so they will look for some other Republicans to scapegoat. I hope and pray Americans wise up and begin to see who the real enemy of the people is.

[left field]

Yeah ...

Donald Trump = Adolf Hitler

Joe Biden = Fidel Castro 

Going to be an interesting four years. 

[Grouse]

Remember, elections have consequences.

 

[virgil]

22 hours ago, Doc said:

I admire your massive knowledge of what the Supreme Court will or won't do. It is amazing how authoritative you make your "guesses" sound. I still am curious as to why you keep on thrashing around trying to convince people that allegations of fraud and voting irregularities should simply be ignored. It is hard to believe that any citizens of this country would adopt such a "head-in-the-sand" attitude toward crime, but yet, here you are, trying to make the argument that fraud and voting cheating should simply be ignored. It's not really an admirable attitude.

I say let it play out (and of course it will) and stop trying so hard to defend the crooks that are intent on bastardizing the voting system. Frankly, I am getting sick of those apologists for the crooked ways of politics. I personally applaud any efforts to shine the light of day on the activities of  these cheaters, and I have very little sympathy for those that would like to see all that continue without investigation.

 

It’s very simple, Doc. Just present even a hint of evidence. That’s all you need to do. 
But, there is no evidence. Only empty accusations. I’ve never said that crimes shouldn’t be investigated or prosecuted. But, there’s been zero evidence of crimes. 
 

It’s your head that’s in the sand, not mine.  I’m basing my statements on the fact that the courts are rejecting all these silly lawsuits. You’re just continuing to insist that there was widespread fraud because that’s what your cult leader is telling you to believe. 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, virgil said:

It’s very simple, Doc. Just present even a hint of evidence. That’s all you need to do. 
But, there is no evidence. Only empty accusations. I’ve never said that crimes shouldn’t be investigated or prosecuted. But, there’s been zero evidence of crimes. 
 

It’s your head that’s in the sand, not mine.  I’m basing my statements on the fact that the courts are rejecting all these silly lawsuits. You’re just continuing to insist that there was widespread fraud because that’s what your cult leader is telling you to believe. 

Ha-ha-ha....When did I get promoted to the Trump campaign legal team. I hate to tell you, but it is not my responsibility to present evidence. The Trump team has professionals to handle that responsibility. And I am trying to find a delicate way to put this, but your attempts to again restate a falsehood does not make it true regarding your claim that courts are rejecting ALL of the lawsuits. They have not even been all presented yet. 

And before you continue trying to put words in my mouth, I have never said anything about how "widespread" or not I believe these illegal practices are. As individual citizens, neither you or I can credibly ascertain the extent of the fraud and manipulation of votes. And we will never know until at least one or more of these impending cases comes up before an honest non-political court and actually gets heard in a public fashion. I am not sure what it is that frightens you so about such open investigation and scrutiny.

I am convinced that election crimes have been committed and I am interested in seeing those prosecuted, which apparently you are not. Whether or not the results change the winner is not my concern. I am more interested in seeing corruption unmasked and maybe even have justice meted out to those people who would mess with the voting system. apparently you would rather not like to know anything about trying to clean up corruption in the election system. It is just a difference in opinions as to whether election fraud is okay or not. Apparently it is no big deal to you. The whole damn system could be broke and apparently that would be fine with you. I'm sorry, but I do not share that same attitude.

[virgil]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

Ha-ha-ha....When did I get promoted to the Trump campaign legal team. I hate to tell you, but it is not my responsibility to present evidence. The Trump team has professionals to handle that responsibility. And I am trying to find a delicate way to put this, but your attempts to again restate a falsehood does not make it true regarding your claim that courts are rejecting ALL of the lawsuits. They have not even been all presented yet. 

And before you continue trying to put words in my mouth, I have never said anything about how "widespread" or not I believe these illegal practices are. As individual citizens, neither you or I can credibly ascertain the extent of the fraud and manipulation of votes. And we will never know until at least one or more of these impending cases comes up before an honest non-political court and actually gets heard in a public fashion. I am not sure what it is that frightens you so about such open investigation and scrutiny.

I am convinced that election crimes have been committed and I am interested in seeing those prosecuted, which apparently you are not. Whether or not the results change the winner is not my concern. I am more interested in seeing corruption unmasked and maybe even have justice meted out to those people who would mess with the voting system. apparently you would rather not like to know anything about trying to clean up corruption in the election system. It is just a difference in opinions as to whether election fraud is okay or not. Apparently it is no big deal to you. The whole damn system could be broke and apparently that would be fine with you. I'm sorry, but I do not share that same attitude.

Doc, this is boring. You keep repeating the same nonsense. Have a good thanksgiving. 

[steve863]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

Ha-ha-ha....When did I get promoted to the Trump campaign legal team. I hate to tell you, but it is not my responsibility to present evidence. The Trump team has professionals to handle that responsibility.

Led by the brilliant legal mind Rudy Guiliani.  LOL.  

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, virgil said:

Doc, this is boring. You keep repeating the same nonsense. Have a good thanksgiving. 

Doc, you are never going to make an impression on anyone's ignorance, when they continue to wallow in a false sense of moral superiority.

 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, steve863 said:

Led by the brilliant legal mind Rudy Guiliani.  LOL.  

This coming from someone who has voted for a man with a demented, senile, perverted mind, and is happy to see him lead the country.  Rudy can do nothing near as disastrous to America as Biden will.

[Versatile_Hunter]

21 hours ago, Grouse said:

Remember, elections have consequences.

 

Let’s hope so

[left field]

3 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Let’s hope so

I watched part of Biden's announcement of his key cabinet picks and their moments at the mic. At no point did they seem to feel obligated to stroke his ego and tell him what a great job he's doing.

That's a consequence I enjoyed.

[steve863]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

This coming from someone who has voted for a man with a demented, senile, perverted mind, and is happy to see him lead the country.  Rudy can do nothing near as disastrous to America as Biden will.

Wrong as usual.  I didn't vote for anyone this election.  I have very little faith in Biden/Harris, and I had enough of Trump's antics to give him my vote.  They are both losers but it looks like Trump turned out to be the biggest loser of all.  He did himself in, so you can thank him for losing and not me for voting for neither.  

[Versatile_Hunter]

23 minutes ago, left field said:

I watched part of Biden's announcement of his key cabinet picks and their moments at the mic. At no point did they seem to feel obligated to stroke his ego and tell him what a great job he's doing.

That's a consequence I enjoyed.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000005160406/trump-cabinet-meeting-praise.html

Cringe.

[Grouse]

Biden isn't picking anyone in his administration, his handlers are.  These people are the leftist cabal in America and they don't care what Biden thinks.  he will do what he is told to do, as will they all.  And what they are going to be told to do is forced Socialism on America, to the detriment of the country.  Study the history on Venezuela if you doubt it.  America will be dead if Biden is allowed to assume power.

 

[cachemoney]

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

 

"Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election."

[Grouse]

On 12/1/2020 at 2:46 PM, cachemoney said:

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

 

"Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election."

Fake News.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/doj-issues-critical-update-voter-fraud-investigations-slams-media-false-reporting?fbclid=IwAR3vRV3fBwceKu4w0vlgSqVFQ0CM78hENZkE23ijq8OnhfEFjmgRWgGdCtk