The Left is on the attack. It's a war.

[BowmanMike]

7 hours ago, Shoots100 said:

I thought Fox was one of those Crapitalist news sources your ilk hates, now your linking them ?

McConnell is part of the swamp and he wont get his golden parachute unless he tow's the line.

They have until the midterm elections and they know it, so their getting in on the action while they still can.

In the end, nothing is going to happen to Trump, so the kabuki theatre Pelosi and the rest of the Dems put on was just a way for them to rile up their base and divide America even more.

The capitol riot still doesn't hold a candle to the "Death + Destruction" the Dems willingly provoked and funded during 2020.

Their so vain, they let the country burn to get at Trump.

It's going to be a violent time for the Dems in 2021, when they find that their not going to be able to control the militant socialists that were doing their bidding, as those socialists are more ruthless then they'll ever be.

Watching them being eaten by their spawn is going to be worth Biden being elected president.

You think it's funny versatile qutoes fox,i think it is funny you are talking about uniting the country now after the most polarizing president in recent history is out of office. Where was that attitude two years ago? It was trumps way or the highway.

I do agree on McConnell,he is the perfect example of a politician playing whatever benefits his own position most.

 

[Grouse]

A political science professor emeritus at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign warns about a new “intellectual plague” that could take over universities.

“The toxic ideas that have corrupted today’s universities all began as tiny, obscure musings before escaping from the laboratories,” Robert Weissberg (right) wrote in an essay for Minding the Campus. He said the next disease to worry about is the proliferation of programs in “hate studies.”

“This incipient plague embraces the very essence of totalitarianism—the criminalization of thinking,” Weissberg said. “Out with criminal behavior, in with thoughtcrime.”

 

https://www.thecollegefix.com/bulletin-board/political-science-professor-warns-of-plague-of-hate-studies/?fbclid=IwAR1oe56R2jneIo3MDgG0Cbq9dMhVmw_XxKjx2QxnmMxJEE1v5ZCKjL1KWqk

[9jNYstarkOH]

1 hour ago, BowmanMike said:

Ah,my mistake. That doesn't change my mind about how the whole thing went down though.

And i will mention it again,storming the capitol and protesting police violence are two very different things

This is why we are a divided nation even when it is proven that you are wrong you are not able to change your partisan position.

Why do you compare the protest to the storming of the capital and not the riots of the past summer. A protest is a protest and a riot is a riot and neither cause should be excluded from the ability to protest. But rioters should be condemn in either case and I am willing to do it in both cases as you seem to be only able to do the capital storming which is wrong and will cause your arguments not to gain any traction.

Edited January 20, 2021 by 9jNYstarkOH

[DoubleDose]

10 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Not quite. For your analogy to hold, Trump first lights the building on fire... 

The analogy was intended to be solely a demonstration of how the various news has become editorials and op-ed pieces with political motivation.  I would expect your more extreme comment (implying arson/arsonist) to come from someone like Don Lemon, which again isn't news.  Can you appreciate that these opinion attacks is the exact vitriol dividing the country?

[Shoots100]

2 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

You think it's funny versatile qutoes fox,i think it is funny you are talking about uniting the country now after the most polarizing president in recent history is out of office. Where was that attitude two years ago? It was trumps way or the highway.

I do agree on McConnell,he is the perfect example of a politician playing whatever benefits his own position most.

 

I think it's funny that you think that a President is polarizing for actually putting his countries welfare ahead of other countries.

That's a Presidents job, not bowing to 3rd world dictators and terrorist organizations.

Imagine what could've been accomplished if Congress was doing their job for their constituents, instead of focusing on impeaching the President and allowing and even condoning the burning of American cities down to make him look bad ?

Who was suffering during those times ? Not them.

For eight years all we heard was that this is the best we can do, so get used to it.

Then Trump comes into office and in less than 4 months, he made what we were told couldn't get better, much better and is attacked for it relentlessly.

Dems want to keep their voter base stupid, so they will believe everything they say and after reading some of the replies here, their succeeding well beyond their expectations.

And where were your leaders during the 125 riots of 2020 ?

Defunding the Police, Letting Prisoners out of Jail for their safety, Taking a knee in solidarity or showing off their freezers full of Ice cream ?

Yeah, that's not polarizing at all.

 

 

[Northcountryman]

11 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/ 

Ok, so I read the article you posted; here's my take:

1) There are some examples of condemnation by Democratic Leaders of the Antifa/BLM protests from last summer provided:

(Note:I was glad to see the Joe Biden one posted below!)

On May 31, the fifth night of demonstrations, former Vice President Joe Biden, the party’s presumptive nominee, wrote in a statement that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and the “American response."

“But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

Here's one from James Clyburn:

On June 3, Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the majority whip of the House of Representatives, told The Washington Post that the movement for racial justice suffers when it is “hijacked” by violence.

"We have to make sure we do not allow ourselves to play the other person’s game,” Clyburn said. “Peaceful protest is our game. Violence is their game. Purposeful protest is our game. This looting and rioting, that's their game. We cannot allow ourselves to play their game."

Conclusion:  Too often in our political discourse, we're so often in "attack mode"- myopically engrossed by our mission and, in our efforts to to demonize , attack, impugn and besmirch our political opponents-that we lose sight of the fact that our ultimate objective should NOT be to defeat the other side, but rather, to determine the TRUTH. Having said that, I would concede that youre right , that there was SOME codemnation by the left of the rioting taking place last summer. 

2)Although the article provided a few examples, wheres the  rest? Why was it not universal?  Actually,  a fairly sizable number of leading Democrats never came out and codemned the violence at all!!  In retrospect, why wasnt there a show of unity -in which ALL leading dems and republicans came out together in solidarity in codemnation of the rioting and violence that was being perpetrated at the time? Could have made a difference, dont you think?

So,  Was there also universal condemnation of the rioters by the left and , at a level that was as vehement as that  demonstrated by Leaders on the Right?

No...

Heres a link to an article  pertaining to AOC's comments after the Seattle riots:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/aoc-is-speechless-on-seattle-protesters/

Upon reading, I think youll agree that is hardly a condemnation; in fact, sounds more like excuse-making for some loathsome and incredibly lawless behavior being undertaken at the time.

Heres another one of a speech made by Schumer, I believe in the Senate chambers:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?472691-3/senate-minority-leader-schumer-protests-pandemict

Upon reading the text , you will find no language that expresses outrage and/or codemnation for the rioting.  Also, note that this speech was given ON JUNE 3RD, WHEN THE RIOTING WAS OCCURRING AT A FEVERISH PITCH!! Conversely, it appears that Schumer spend a great deal of time making excuses for the riotous behavior going on at the time.  

 

Now, Im sure that you guys on the left would agree that NOONE on the right -at least,those in  positions of politcal power, anyway-  has sanctioned, condoned or made excuses for the rioting that occurred on Jan 6 right?  The condemnation for that despicable act came out IMMEDIATELY , NOT SEVERAL DAYS AFTER; moreover it was universal (e.g., Lindsey Graham, Mitch Mcconnell , FOX news, etc.) and INCLUDED THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

Overall, I think that its fair to say that both sides(i.e., dems and republicans) passionately and emphatically  condemned the riots that occurred on Jan 6th and, although some on the left did speak out in condemnation of the ANTIFA/BLM riots(which is good), it was not nearly as passionate , nor was there unity in sentiment.  Consequently, many on the right view this as hypocrisy- outraged about violence and mayhem only when you diagree with the group who's perpetrating it. And when hypocrisy is demonstrated by a person or group, they lose their credibility and undermine their message!!

 

 

[Northcountryman]

14 hours ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Here was their chance and Democrats voted procedural action to not have to condemn the riots. Please give it a read and explain why they would not vote on it. And as the saying goes if you don’t condemn racism you condone racism it is the same with riots and I condemn both. You should not find the 6th anymore shocking than the riots of all summer don’t let your partisan emotions cloud your judgement.

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres1023/BILLS-116hres1023ih.pdf

Excellent point!!  Why was a procedural action taken and they didnt vote on it? Anyone know?

[Northcountryman]

5 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

Ah,my mistake. That doesn't change my mind about how the whole thing went down though.

 

But You discredited your argument when you posted a link in support of your claim that Trump- and , at least 1 member of his family- planned the riot , then gleefully watched after setting it it motion , which was clearly not true due to the fact that the film was shot BEFORE THE SPEECH. Not good...

And I will mention it again,storming the capitol and protesting police violence are two very different things.- Bowman Mike

You've said this before in previous posts and it is a false and inaccurate comparison.  Didn't an ANTIFA/BLM mob threaten the white house last summer , such that the President had to be moved to the White House Bunker? And that was ok?   If thats not an act of sedition , an insurrection, I dont know what is!! Also, protesting police violence is fine , but NOT when you loot and burn, attack, injure and even kill, innocent people ; and destroy millions of dollars of public AND private property.

[Versatile_Hunter]

4 hours ago, DoubleDose said:

The analogy was intended to be solely a demonstration of how the various news has become editorials and op-ed pieces with political motivation.  I would expect your more extreme comment (implying arson/arsonist) to come from someone like Don Lemon, which again isn't news.  Can you appreciate that these opinion attacks is the exact vitriol dividing the country?

I clarified your point. This wasn't merely partisan bickering... it was a president who would pretend to solve issues that he himself initiated. One side  clobbered him for it while the other, ever shrinking, side illustrated spineless sycophancy. But don't despair, today is a beautiful day, for America once more has a president worthy of her. 

[DoubleDose]

4 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I clarified your point. This wasn't merely partisan bickering... it was a president who would pretend to solve issues that he himself initiated. One side  clobbered him for it while the other, ever shrinking, side illustrated spineless sycophancy. But don't despair, today is a beautiful day, for America once more has a president worthy of her. 

That's politics and corporate America!  Folks get rewarded for being the hero and putting out the fire while ignoring how & who is responsible for starting the fire in the first place; when it's one in the same.  

Edited January 20, 2021 by DoubleDose
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[Versatile_Hunter]

7 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:

That's politics and corporate America!  Folks get rewarded for being the hero and putting out the fire while ignoring how & who is responsible for starting the fire in the first place; when it's one in the same.  

I agree. Politicians are a different breed and one would be naïve to expect them to not sway with the trappings of the job. There's nonstop posturing and procedural gestures aimed at little more than vying for next election's vote. The problem arises when the private ambitions of the individual overrides the public obligations of the position. We clearly saw that happen with Trump. That's behind us now.

[DoubleDose]

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I agree. Politicians are a different breed and one would be naïve to expect them to not sway with the trappings of the job. There's nonstop posturing and procedural gestures aimed at little more than vying for next election's vote. The problem arises when the private ambitions of the individual overrides the public obligations of the position. We clearly saw that happen with Trump. That's behind us now.

I've clearly seen it with all POTUS (Dem & Rep) alike.  No exceptions. 

Rules of politicians (All parties)

1) Get elected or Re-elected

2) Make as much money as possible when in office

3) Say and do anything to achieve Rule #1

4) Tell populace what they want to hear but in a manner that doesn't say anything or commit to a position

5) Your position is with party unless it conflicts with Rule #1 or 2

6) Your position is with country unless it conflicts with Rule #1 or 2

7) When in doubt see Rule #1 or 2

Edited January 20, 2021 by DoubleDose
correction

[Versatile_Hunter]

12 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:

I've clearly seen it with all POTUS (Dem & Rep) alike.  No exceptions. 

Rules of politicians (All parties)

1) Get elected or Re-elected

2) Make as much money as possible when in office

3) Say and do anything to achieve Rule #1

4) Tell populace what they want to hear but in a manner that doesn't say anything or commit to a position

4) Your position is with party unless it conflicts with Rule #1 or 2

5) Your position is with country unless it conflicts with Rule #1 or 2

6) When in doubt see Rule #1 or 2

You’re being willfully blind if you don’t see a difference in the moral fabric of Biden vs Trump. Biden isn’t perfect, far from it. But there’s a reason both parties breathed a sigh of relief today. The nation and the world are markedly better off today than they were yesterday. Rejoice. 

[DoubleDose]

10 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’re being willfully blind if you don’t see a difference in the moral fabric of Biden vs Trump. Biden isn’t perfect, far from it. But there’s a reason both parties breathed a sigh of relief today. The nation and the world are markedly better off today than they were yesterday. Rejoice. 

Not blind at all, and you are reading too much into this.  I never once compared the two or mentioned moral fabric. I don't defend or compare DJT or Biden. None of these politicians are saints!  I am pragmatic.  I care about policies and how they affect me, I compare that.  Nation and world markedly better off?  I make no prediction and time will be the judge of that.  The MSM has made disaster and apocalyptic predictions about every POTUS.  After 2024, the historians can compare 2016-2020 DJT to 2021-2024 Biden, that's what will matter.

[Grouse]

37 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

The nation and the world are markedly better off today than they were yesterday. Rejoice. 

I predict this statement is not going to age well.  After year one it will be hilarious.  By the end of year four it will be proof of boundless optimism from the gullible.

[Salmon_Run]

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

But don't despair, today is a beautiful day, for America once more has a president worthy of her. 

Versatile,

You and I do agree that American now has a president that the country is worthy of; I firmly believe the masses are worthy of the following:

1. we are worthy of ongoing distrust in the electoral system, four years ago it was Russia and now the Democratic party interfered, (please don't spew that the court cases were all dismissed), and loss of faith in the court system, we deserve that too, I guess 

2. we are worthy of having "news medias" with little credibility, we deserve that and it comes from all media outlets

3. were are worthy of ongoing mistrust of career politicians being corrupt, guess we'll see where Hunter and company land, before you speak, Yes Trump withheld his taxes, yes we know !

4. we are worthy of knowing the system is broken on many levels

5. we are worthy of the Constitution being trampled on many fronts; once broken and never mended

6. we are worthy of sending trillions of American dollars to foreign interests, WHO, Paris Accord, NATO and such while gaining little in return....American can buy all the friends they can across the world

7. we are worthy of allowing large corporations like, Google, Amazon and such being allowed to censor opposing opinions 

I could go on and on but learned long ago that there is truth in, the facts that some are followers and some are takers....I won't do either blindly or be lead by hatred of another.....

Trump is gone and I didn't AGREE with all he said and did over the four years, but I was taught long ago "beware of what you wish"...

I agree American is WORTHY of so much more, i'm afraid hatred lead to this change of administration!!  Snowflakes and followers rejoice !!  

I hope I am wrong on every issue, God Bless the USA !!!!  

[left field]

8. we are worthy of knowing exactly what Bill Gates is up to.

Edited January 20, 2021 by left field

[Northcountryman]

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’re being willfully blind if you don’t see a difference in the moral fabric of Biden vs Trump. Biden isn’t perfect, far from it. But there’s a reason both parties breathed a sigh of relief today. The nation and the world are markedly better off today than they were yesterday. Rejoice. 

How so? I guess it depends upon what your meaning of moral fabric is. If, You mean in terms of dedication , resolve, fighting for what one belives in , determination and grit,   then I say no, not even close .  However, if youre referring to Empathy and compassion for your fellow man, sportsmanship,  and social grace , then I'd say Yup, by far!!   The biggest problem with the former President (I'm referring to him as former already, damn!!) is his penchant for acting like a child when he doesnt get his way.  That, I never liked and will definitely not miss lol

Edited January 20, 2021 by Northcountryman

[Versatile_Hunter]

57 minutes ago, Salmon_Run said:

(please don't spew that the court cases were all dismissed)

Pretty please? With a cherry on top?

lol, Is that a joke?

[Northcountryman]

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’re being willfully blind if you don’t see a difference in the moral fabric of Biden vs Trump. Biden isn’t perfect, far from it. But there’s a reason both parties breathed a sigh of relief today. The nation and the world are markedly better off today than they were yesterday. Rejoice. 

Oh, almost forgot. Your description of "both parties breathing a sigh of relief" is gretaly exaggerated.  I'm sure its completely accurate for the Democrat side (and always will be when describing the  sentiments of the winning party after defeating  a President of the opposing one), but not so much for the Republican side.  I'm sure some Republicans do, in fact, feel that way but the entire party? Hardly

As far the nation and world being better today as opposed to yesterday?  I truly hope youre right.  Really

[Grouse]

Biden's moral fabric is stained with a sexual attack on Tara Reade that is being ignored as well as God only knows how many lewd actions against little girls.  The people should never let any of that be forgotten.  Biden is a sick man.

The left is breathing a sigh of relief the stolen election was never investigated.

Edited January 20, 2021 by Grouse

[Versatile_Hunter]

19 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Biden's moral fabric is stained with a sexual attack on Tara Reade that is being ignored as well as God only knows how many lewd actions against little girls.  The people should never let any of that be forgotten.  Biden is a sick man.

The left is breathing a sigh of relief the stolen election was never investigated.

 

[Grouse]

It's not sexual assault when it's welcomed by gold diggers.

[Versatile_Hunter]

12 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It's not sexual assault when it's welcomed by gold diggers.

Boy am I glad you’re not in charge of anything. 

[Grouse]

Likewise I'm sure