Wind and solar makes your electric bill higher

[Grouse]

The cost of producing electricity has dropped significantly in the last decade. So why haven’t we seen those price drops reflected in our electricity bills? Charles McConnell, former Assistant Secretary of Energy in the Obama Administration, answers this riddle. 

https://www.prageru.com/video/why-are-utilities-so-expensive/?utm_source=Main+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=4f88850cd9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_09_06_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f90832343d-4f88850cd9-172460857

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Grouse

[Versatile_Hunter]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

The cost of producing electricity has dropped significantly in the last decade. So why haven’t we seen those price drops reflected in our electricity bills? Charles McConnell, former Assistant Secretary of Energy in the Obama Administration, answers this riddle. 

https://www.prageru.com/video/why-are-utilities-so-expensive/?utm_source=Main+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=4f88850cd9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_09_06_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f90832343d-4f88850cd9-172460857

 

Jesus, PragerU...

[Grouse]

Great site.  The man was in Obama's administration. Let's hear your counter points.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Grouse

[Northcountryman]

7 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Jesus, PragerU...

Yeah, great clip ;whats wrong with Prager U VH?  Never heard of it before

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

Yeah, great clip ;whats wrong with Prager U VH?  Never heard of it before

Great site you should subscribe to.  Very intelligent programming dealing with all of today's issues.  Conservative in nature because those are the ideas that work for America.

Leftists hate it because they can't debate it, as VH proved above.

Click on the "Join" button on the video to get started.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Grouse

[Shoots100]

Anything that contradicts VH's point of view is deemed a conspiracy.

No matter if Obama came out and said it himself, he would spin it as that "they" turned Obama somehow.

Counter points? 

I'm expecting some more gibberish, backed by some insults and then a change of topic.

You know, the typical "progressive" response.

[Versatile_Hunter]

6 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

Yeah, great clip ;whats wrong with Prager U VH? 

Well for one, they’re not actually a university, as their name would suggest. It’s outright propaganda. The platform aesthetic is up to snuff but the content resembles a parody of itself. A lot of false narratives and straw men.

[Northcountryman]

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Well for one, they’re not actually a university, as their name would suggest. It’s outright propaganda. The platform aesthetic is up to snuff but the content resembles a parody of itself. A lot of false narratives and straw men.

I don’t know , sounded pretty convincing to me , and this was an ex Obama administration guy . I think they said he was assistant energy secretary or something . 

[Grouse]

Asst Secy of Energy under Obama.  But VH can't give any factual specifics to back up his hatred of anything that blows his leftist narrative to shreds.  He just attacks the messenger.  Leftists fall for that crap every time.

[BowmanMike]

16 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Asst Secy of Energy under Obama.  But VH can't give any factual specifics to back up his hatred of anything that blows his leftist narrative to shreds.  He just attacks the messenger.  Leftists fall for that crap every time.

That's why we are called leftists,and you are rightists,because you are always right,right?

[Grouse]

Nope, it's because you embrace Communist ideology and don't even realize it. 

BTW, the opposite of leftist is American.

[phantom]

4 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Well for one, they’re not actually a university, as their name would suggest. It’s outright propaganda. The platform aesthetic is up to snuff but the content resembles a parody of itself. A lot of false narratives and straw men.

you wouldn't know propaganda if it smacked you in the face I think . Solar wind are just feel good  science projects they don't work right not powerful enough to run the modern world . There good for a emergency back up or on a sailboat at sea . If they worked right  you would  not need the gov forcing it on the masses  wile the  billionaire class goes around on gas powered jets and yachts.  

[SportsmanNH]

Germany tried to go renewable on their power sources. They out their nuclear plants and put up wind and solar. The electric bill for the common household went up 375 percent !  now they are building modern coal plants to make up the difference . There are tons of articles about this . The wind turbines only produce less than 30 percent of what they claim are rated for.  Not only did they not produce the rated power , they were also destroying the landscape and the environment . The cutting of all the trees to make the access roads and the pads have deteriorated the hillsides

[Versatile_Hunter]

15 hours ago, Grouse said:

Nope, it's because you embrace Communist ideology and don't even realize it. 

BTW, the opposite of leftist is American.

What a joke. Talk about being brainwashed... 

Want to talk about a real American? How about the actual patriot who was honored for protecting the Capitol from the Trumpist clowns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/sicknick-honor-capitol/2021/02/02/3878d5ae-6578-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Versatile_Hunter

[Grouse]

45 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

What a joke. Talk about being brainwashed... 

Want to talk about a real American? How about the actual patriot who was honored for protecting the Capitol from the Trumpist clowns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/sicknick-honor-capitol/2021/02/02/3878d5ae-6578-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html 

The officer deserves respect.  But if I'm not mistaken, he was a conservative and a Trump supporter (which makes him a real America like you said) and wasn't "killed" by protesters. 

Nobody at the funeral was allowed to talk to reporters.  (Free speech suppressed?) 

It is believed he died from a medical condition, as did everyone at that protest except the unarmed white Air Force woman who was shot in the neck and killed by a black Capital Police officer.  I'm sure if the officer was white and she was black, we would still be hearing about it.  Who's really brainwashed here?

From your link:

"Authorities have not publicly specified the cause of Sicknick’s death, which is being investigated by D.C. police homicide detectives."

[Grouse]

BTW, what has that got to do with the price of electricity going up due to wind and solar subsidies?

[Versatile_Hunter]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

BTW, what has that got to do with the price of electricity going up due to wind and solar subsidies?

I'm not going to debate the politics of the late officer with you. He died defending the Capitol against far right morons. 

I quoted you in my previous post for context, so no need to be confused. 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Versatile_Hunter

[Grouse]

So, you have the report about his death?  Please share so we all know the facts. 

What exactly is "far right" in your mind?  Anyone who is right of far left?

You make about as much sense as taking a blind man to a silent movie.

[Grouse]

Why is the left obsessed with electric vehicles?

On average, you might get less emissions from EVs, but they’re not all they’re hyped up to be. Here are the facts:

1. Electric vehicle parts rely on lithium batteries. Manufacturing lithium batteries, largely in China, for electric vehicles releases 30% MORE emissions than normal combustion engine manufacturing.

2. Our electricity is still primarily generated from natural gas + coal. So, depending on the fuel mix, your EV might rely on these fossil fuels and have higher emissions than a normal vehicle.

3. Forcing natural gas out of the market - which the left wants to do by banning fracking - ends up bringing us back to coal, which has 1.5x more emissions than natural gas.

4. Electricity is mostly generated by natural gas, nuclear, and coal. Solar and wind make up a VERY small percentage of that, despite taxpayers paying massive subsidies for it.

5. So when President Biden promises a new fleet of electric vehicles. Ask yourself: what powers those electric vehicles? And do they really deliver a “green revolution” the left is promising you?

To conclude:

So while average emissions might be less, it depends entirely on the energy source from the grid.

EVs are far from an environmentalist panacea. Massive infrastructure is required to support them, range is limited, and large industrial transport still needs gas.

[ApexerER]

52 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Why is the left obsessed with electric vehicles?

On average, you might get less emissions from EVs, but they’re not all they’re hyped up to be. Here are the facts:

1. Electric vehicle parts rely on lithium batteries. Manufacturing lithium batteries, largely in China, for electric vehicles releases 30% MORE emissions than normal combustion engine manufacturing.

2. Our electricity is still primarily generated from natural gas + coal. So, depending on the fuel mix, your EV might rely on these fossil fuels and have higher emissions than a normal vehicle.

3. Forcing natural gas out of the market - which the left wants to do by banning fracking - ends up bringing us back to coal, which has 1.5x more emissions than natural gas.

4. Electricity is mostly generated by natural gas, nuclear, and coal. Solar and wind make up a VERY small percentage of that, despite taxpayers paying massive subsidies for it.

5. So when President Biden promises a new fleet of electric vehicles. Ask yourself: what powers those electric vehicles? And do they really deliver a “green revolution” the left is promising you?

To conclude:

So while average emissions might be less, it depends entirely on the energy source from the grid.

EVs are far from an environmentalist panacea. Massive infrastructure is required to support them, range is limited, and large industrial transport still needs gas.

Easy, follow the money and where the left is invested. It has nothing to do with the climate.....

[Merlot]

On 2/3/2021 at 3:49 PM, ApexerER said:

Easy, follow the money and where the left is invested. It has nothing to do with the climate.....

Hit the nail on the head. Seems to me you got to dig out  the raw materials for the manufacture of batteries. I thought mining stuff was bad. Such a bunch of clowns running country into the ground. Sad that people are buying into this crap show. Election stolen. 

[Grouse]

Polar Vortex Is Proving Why Green Energy Is a Disaster for America, Wind Turbines Drain Energy from Grid

 

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/coal-rescuing-americans-polar-vortex-wind-turbines-actually-drain-energy-grid?fbclid=IwAR1yD3cLkvf206HMpLFdcXYSAlUi0PQODXBoqiATN4xnwLegf41hH8tXkLk

[DoubleDose]

On 2/3/2021 at 2:56 PM, Grouse said:

Why is the left obsessed with electric vehicles?

On average, you might get less emissions from EVs, but they’re not all they’re hyped up to be. Here are the facts:

1. Electric vehicle parts rely on lithium batteries. Manufacturing lithium batteries, largely in China, for electric vehicles releases 30% MORE emissions than normal combustion engine manufacturing.

2. Our electricity is still primarily generated from natural gas + coal. So, depending on the fuel mix, your EV might rely on these fossil fuels and have higher emissions than a normal vehicle.

3. Forcing natural gas out of the market - which the left wants to do by banning fracking - ends up bringing us back to coal, which has 1.5x more emissions than natural gas.

4. Electricity is mostly generated by natural gas, nuclear, and coal. Solar and wind make up a VERY small percentage of that, despite taxpayers paying massive subsidies for it.

5. So when President Biden promises a new fleet of electric vehicles. Ask yourself: what powers those electric vehicles? And do they really deliver a “green revolution” the left is promising you?

To conclude:

So while average emissions might be less, it depends entirely on the energy source from the grid.

EVs are far from an environmentalist panacea. Massive infrastructure is required to support them, range is limited, and large industrial transport still needs gas.

A good friend of mine owns an auto repair shop that specializes in troubleshooting and repairing electric issues on high end vehicles.  In a discussion about EVs he raised some interesting points not commonly discussed.  The BATTERIES themselves.  1) When they expire/fail can the average person (EV owner) afford to replace them?  He estimates they are about 1/3 the cost of the vehicle.  2) How long are they going to last for the average EV owner? 3) How are you going to dispose or recycle these batteries?

[Grouse]

This has been known for a long time.  The only people not discussing it are those pushing the green agenda.  You just don't hear it, because they control the flow of info out of the propaganda machine know as the Main Stream Media, aka the spin machine for the DNC.