Proposed crossbow legislation for 2022

[Five Seasons]

3 hours ago, johnplav said:

I'm sure there are plenty of able bodied people who would struggle with 55lbs.  But isn't minimum draw weight 35lbs anyway?

I chose 55 as it's generally the recommended weight for normal NY deer hunters. I guess we will agree to disagree on 55 being difficult for the average able bodied teen or adult. 

[Five Seasons]

2 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

I meant everything I said , always do.  You should read the actual lines and not what you think is between them. I hope you understand all you know about it.    

Your still the Mayor in your town for sure! - this one you can read between the lines on.  lol 

so if I confused what you meant, why not just correct me instead of slinging insults? 

[Five Seasons]

2 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

thats what i said but apparently everyone can draw 55 pounds like nothing where Belo lives.   And there thats also the minimum. And 16 is the youth season there too.  Who knew. ... its quite a place. 

apparently they are also of the woke variety since this is considered sexist to think a 14 yo girl might struggle with-Yet its ok for him to post borderline porn pics but afraid to post his deer pics on a hunting site. Must be good to be the mayor in his town.

"The minimum draw weight for hunting is not attainable for many teens. Women are becoming a larger percentage of the hunting population as well.  Plus a xbow on a stand is generally a bit easier than a compound.  There is no reason to think that using a xbow for the first part of hunting means that no one will ever pick up a bow.  I would bet 90% of us archers started gun hunting first."  - wow how sexist of me......

 

I post porn? When and where? again with the personal insults Rob. I was generalizing new archery hunters, that's why I chose arbitrary ages (sorry if that's a big word I learned with my fancy degree). My reasons for not posting deer pics are my own, and I really don't care what you think of me and my money, my family or my opinions so I guess I just don't understand why the need to make it personal. If you want to make crossbow available all season long so a 14 year old girl can go archery hunting just say that and leave it at that. 

2 hours ago, ApexerER said:

Seriously?  My friend that shoots with me a lot can't come close to pulling 55lbs. She can't make the 35lb min draw weight at this time and she wants to try bow hunting. She has gone turkey hunting with me the last couple years. She shot well at @Buckmaster7600 pistol class last spring too.....Just because you don't like crossbows doesn't mean they wouldn't be useful for some. 

I would bet a ton of money that my 17 year old daughter that has played soccer her whole life and is very good shape wouldn't be able to come close to pulling 55lbs.

You must hang with some big women Belo!

I guess I didn't realize soccer players developed strong upper bodies. I stand corrected again.

1 hour ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

You sound like a woke idiot! Been hanging out with chef and lefty?

As stated my daughter can’t draw the legal minimum. My ex wife was a college softball player and she couldn’t draw 55lbs. I’m pretty sure I remember Tiffany talking about drawing 42lbs.


Not to mention most able men can probably draw a 100lb bow back in their yard in august. On a 10 deg. Morning in November not many will be able to.


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man ya'll are sensitive. 100 lb. bow? What? lol

[Robhuntandfish]

2 minutes ago, Belo said:

so if I confused what you meant, why not just correct me instead of slinging insults? 

maybe you should ask before you call people sexist.   If you dont want to play dont throw your balls at me.  And i didnt insult you - I quoted you - See below your avatar where your from! thats your own admission.  And also referred to things youve actually posted - wont go into it but lets just say "pumpkin" and you will know what i am refferring to.  And so you know it didnt offend me - thought it was funny but dont post porn and then call me sexist for a benign statement. Doesnt fly never will.   

 

Here are some sexist websites for you to hassle since they refer to draw weights for "women"  

http://bestcompoundbowsource.com/compound-bow-draw-weight-chart/

https://improveyourarchery.com/how-to-choose-the-right-draw-weight-for-your-compound-bow/

https://thearcheryguru.com/best-compound-bow-for-female-beginners/

 

[Five Seasons]

18 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

maybe you should ask before you call people sexist.   If you dont want to play dont throw your balls at me.  And i didnt insult you - I quoted you - See below your avatar where your from! thats your own admission.  And also referred to things youve actually posted - wont go into it but lets just say "pumpkin" and you will know what i am refferring (there's only 1 f in referring) to.  And so you know it didnt offend me - thought it was funny but dont post porn and then call me sexist for a benign statement. Doesnt fly never will.   

 

Here are some sexist websites for you to hassle since they refer to draw weights for "women"  

http://bestcompoundbowsource.com/compound-bow-draw-weight-chart/

https://improveyourarchery.com/how-to-choose-the-right-draw-weight-for-your-compound-bow/

https://thearcheryguru.com/best-compound-bow-for-female-beginners/

 

dude you basically said that we should allow the crossbow because women can't pull back a bow. I have 2 female cousins, neither of which are beefy by any stretch that have harvested multiple nice deer. I just texted one of them and asked what she drew. She said 55-60 and her younger sister 50-55. I asked what she thought about 40. Her reply was that if you can't pull back 40 you probably can't climb a tree either. which made me laugh, but we digress.

I stand by my statements of 870 toting pumpkins. What of it?

I still don't know what porn you're talking about though. Can you refresh my memory there? I've never received a single infraction on this site and sure as heck don't recall posting any porn. I posted my wife in a bikini once... that's all I can think of and if you think that was porn, then her and I are flattered.  

[ApexerER]

30 minutes ago, Belo said:

 

I guess I didn't realize soccer players developed strong upper bodies. I stand corrected again.

 

Do you even read what you post or do you just like to look like a moron. Here, I'll repost it for you.

" However 55 pounds is not difficult for any able bodied male or female above the age of 14. Period." 

Your comment says anyone, male or female above age 14 can pull 55 pounds. Period and that is flat out false!  And yes, soccer players do tons of drills for core strength. I am positive my daughter can't pull 55 pounds, and my friend that is 38 can't even pull 35 lbs. Both my daughter and her are in way better shape than i will ever be. The both easily fit the description of able body females....

[Five Seasons]

5 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

Do you even read what you post or do you just like to look like a moron. Here, I'll repost it for you.

" However 55 pounds is not difficult for any able bodied male or female above the age of 14. Period." 

Your comment says anyone, male or female above age 14 can pull 55 pounds. Period and that is flat out false!  And yes, soccer players do tons of drills for core strength. I am positive my daughter can't pull 55 pounds, and my friend that is 38 can't even pull 35 lbs. Both my daughter and her are in way better shape than i will ever be. The both easily fit the description of able body females....

To be clear, you know someone who is 38 and in great shape, no disabilities that can't pull back 35 pounds? 

Has your teen soccer star ever tried to pull back 35 pounds? 

[Five Seasons]

36 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

https://improveyourarchery.com/how-to-choose-the-right-draw-weight-for-your-compound-bow/

be careful now that charts says apex's daughter and close friend are abnormal in their inability to pull back 35 pounds. 

Archers profile	Recommended draw weight
Small children (till 8 years old)	10-20 LBS
Larger children (8 till 13 years old)	20-25 LBS
Teenage female (13 till 18 years old)	25-35 LBS
Teenage male (13 till 18 years old)	30-40 LBS
Female (18 years and older)	25-35 LBS
Male (18 years and older)	40-55 LBS

Edited May 12, 2022 by Belo

[Robhuntandfish]

1 hour ago, Belo said:

dude you basically said that we should allow the crossbow because women can't pull back a bow. I have 2 female cousins, neither of which are beefy by any stretch that have harvested multiple nice deer. I just texted one of them and asked what she drew. She said 55-60 and her younger sister 50-55. I asked what she thought about 40. Her reply was that if you can't pull back 40 you probably can't climb a tree either. which made me laugh, but we digress.

I stand by my statements of 870 toting pumpkins. What of it?

I still don't know what porn you're talking about though. Can you refresh my memory there? I've never received a single infraction on this site and sure as heck don't recall posting any porn. I posted my wife in a bikini once... that's all I can think of and if you think that was porn, then her and I are flattered.  

dig yourself deeper its ok.  i didn't say that at all, YOU inferred it.  Thats on you.  I even requoted it for you to read. If your inferring that maybe you should attack the sites i listed for you as they are outright saying a recommended lower # for women. 

 And your porn was on the banned todays chuckle thread and it was straight up a pic from a porn video during halloween.  And i know this cause a friend of mine sent me the exact same thing in a 30 second clip the day before while he was complaining about cleaning pumpkins. And i laughed at both.  Im sorry your memory is so selective.  Mine is sharp as a tack. And its not a personal insult to state a fact unless your personally insulted by your own posts. 

And i would never, ever in a million years bring your wife, kids or any family into anything.  Never did that never will so dunno where you got that from.  And heres a stunner for you...... that plaque you have on the wall for your kids from 2018 ...... guess where it came from..... your welcome! And I was damn happy it went there cause that pic of you and him hunting was priceless. 

I said xbow would be a nice option for those who cant.  Which is likely younger teens and esp younger women during youth seasons. Like it, lump it i dont care.  But you say not to make it personal after you call me a sexist?? and tell me others also took it that way although none of them spoke up about it. If you are the spokesmen for all these folks please apologize to them for me and tell them i would be happy to apologize to them as well if they like or can PM me to discuss further. But if you want to call me out expect me to be heard from whether you like the outcome or not. Again you call your own shots from Dickville and i will second that your the self proclaimed mayor.  

If you have issue with me - feel free to PM me and we can discuss further and leave these good folks out of it.  

Edited May 12, 2022 by Robhuntandfish

[Five Seasons]

so to be clear. We should allow crossbows into archery for teenage girls? 

You've now peaked my interest in this porn that I posted. I've always followed the rules of this site, but if you're the mayor with a sharp as a tack mind, so be it. I'm sorry for posting porn I guess. If you can PM me the pic, I'd like to have a chuckle too.

that's it for me tonight. off to baseball. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Belo

[Lawdwaz]

I’m ready to discuss something really controversial; mandatory backtags for most of the states hunters.   Now that’s sure to fire some of you up I hope.  

 

[Robhuntandfish]

1 minute ago, Belo said:

so to be clear. We should allow crossbows into archery for teenage girls? 

You've now peaked my interest in this porn that I posted. I've always followed the rules of this site, but if you're the mayor with a sharp as a tack mind, so be it. I'm sorry for posting porn I guess. If you can PM me the pic, I'd like to have a chuckle too.

that's it for me tonight. off to baseball. 

We should allow crossbow for youth hunters as i stated .  To help get them interested in hunting then at 16 they are no longer youths and likely to transfer into bow.  As i also stated several times.  Nothing new or different. Just your comprehension.  And you also dont go thru and read past posts ever - your known for that.   

I am not the mayor at all or proclaim to be as you have for your own town of Dicksville.  As per your avatar.  

I cant pm you a pic as i dont save your pics.  But feel free to deny it or misremember.  Doesnt matter to me.  I tried to look it up but as i said and you didnt read, that the Todays Chuckle that has been banned for those same reasons. Im sure you werent warned as it was the wild west there for a while.   Your pic wasnt porn but it came from there.  But you dont recall and thats ok.  Lots of folks these days only like to remember whats in their own favor.  Carry on. 

[DirtTime]

34 minutes ago, Lawdwaz said:

I’m ready to discuss something really controversial; mandatory backtags for most of the states hunters.   Now that’s sure to fire some of you up I hope.  

 

Meh, it's become apparent that a few only take the laws and regulations as suggestions, tags probably mean little to them. It's their land, so why should they need tags?

[Lawdwaz]

7 minutes ago, DirtTime said:

Meh, it's become apparent that a few only take the laws and regulations as suggestions, tags probably mean little to them. It's their land, so why should they need tags?

“We don’t need no stinkin’ tags”……..

Movie reference, Blazing Saddles for the lugnuts among us.  

[wolc123]

On 5/11/2022 at 12:09 PM, Robhuntandfish said:

WTH are you talking about ..... Nothing you said here was said in any of my comments. You should go easy on the day drinking.

First of all it's not 55 it's 35. And my ex wife struggled with it when she got into target shooting.

Secondly there are guys here that can't draw 55 lbs so no idea what your talking about for sure.

And my point was a 14 year old ( which is youth hunting age not 16) girl or boy for that matter is likely to struggle pulling back a bow but might get interested if they could use an xbow. Then once they turn 16 they are no longer a youth and would switch to using a bow because they are now hooked on hunting.

But whatever......pour another one and enjoy the day. It's beautiful out. Lol

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I think you narrowly missed the real cause of this fellas confusion.  I don’t think it is an alcohol related issue at all. Alcohol, in moderation, is well known to sharpen ones mental prowess.  This may explain why the Germans, who have long enjoyed an adult beverage  or two with their meals, have long been at or near the forefront of most technological measures.
 

The far more likely culprit is drugs, specifically cannabis.  This fella has made no secret of his frequent forrays with that.  His confusion on NY game laws is classic symptom (ie not knowing where a back tag is required, if he needs to wear a orange hat AND vest, if #9 tss shot is currently legal for turkeys).  These are just the examples that I remember from his posts over the last year.

Don’t blame the booze when the dope is the real culprit.  It didn’t get that name by accident.  

Ps, I am not just talking here I practice what I preach.

Edited May 12, 2022 by wolc123

[wolc123]

1 hour ago, blackbeltbill said:

Old Time German weightlifter- Herman Gourner trained in a Gym connected to a Bar. He was in and out.

 Gourner still holds the One Hand Deadlift of 727lbs. On a Thicker bar then powerlifters use today- which made the lift all the more impressive.  He loved his Brown Beer.

The Germans have always taken their beer very seriously. They still have a very strict “purity” law which bans many of the ingredients that are part of the current American “craft brew” fad.

[9jNYstarkOH]

3 hours ago, wolc123 said:

I think you narrowly missed the real cause of this fellas confusion.  I don’t think it is an alcohol related issue at all. Alcohol, in moderation, is well known to sharpen ones mental prowess.  This may explain why the Germans, who have long enjoyed an adult beverage  or two with their meals, have long been at or near the forefront of most technological measures.
 

The far more likely culprit is drugs, specifically cannabis.  This fella has made no secret of his frequent forrays with that.  His confusion on NY game laws is classic symptom (ie not knowing where a back tag is required, if he needs to wear a orange hat AND vest, if #9 tss shot is currently legal for turkeys).  These are just the examples that I remember from his posts over the last year.

Don’t blame the booze when the dope is the real culprit.  It didn’t get that name by accident.  

Ps, I am not just talking here I practice what I preach.

I know nothing about your references to past conversation so I will only comment on the current thread. To me on this current thread belo comes across as someone that is truly passionate about this. From what he has stated about how many family members past and present compound bow hunt(ed). It has become a passion and a tradition for him. Passion does not always bring out the best in a individual. I see it from from a different perspective as I didn't start hunting until I was in my late 20’s in 2015 with gun season. In 2017 I got a crossbow for a better chance at larger bucks, multiple bucks, the better weather and extended season length. So I see it for more opportunity for all bow hunters, which would be my choice. As I believe it would help over all hunter participation.  This doesn’t effect me personally as I now live in Ohio and have twenty acres in Pa I can crossbow hunt all archery season. Along with crossbow season in 9j wny lining up well with the rut, I have more opportunity then time. But I am still for more opportunity for all that are interested. Or set the season length by difficulty and give the traditional guys more time. But setting seasons by difficulty is going to get real weird in gun season as pistol permit are hard to come by in some wmu’s. The last sentence i say in jest.

Edited May 13, 2022 by 9jNYstarkOH

[DirtTime]

4 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:

“We don’t need no stinkin’ tags”……..

Movie reference, Blazing Saddles for the lugnuts among us.  

 

[Five Seasons]

17 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

We should allow crossbow for youth hunters as i stated .  To help get them interested in hunting then at 16 they are no longer youths and likely to transfer into bow.  As i also stated several times.  Nothing new or different. Just your comprehension.  And you also dont go thru and read past posts ever - your known for that.   

I am not the mayor at all or proclaim to be as you have for your own town of Dicksville.  As per your avatar.  

I cant pm you a pic as i dont save your pics.  But feel free to deny it or misremember.  Doesnt matter to me.  I tried to look it up but as i said and you didnt read, that the Todays Chuckle that has been banned for those same reasons. Im sure you werent warned as it was the wild west there for a while.   Your pic wasnt porn but it came from there.  But you dont recall and thats ok.  Lots of folks these days only like to remember whats in their own favor.  Carry on. 

dude I have a pretty demanding job and 3 kids under 10, I've been getting up at 4 to turkey hunt and in the afternoon putting in a big ass food plot, I can barely remember what I had for breakfast. If I posted a meme from a porn that wasn't porn then I broke zero rules. 

Despite the fact that I piss some people off with my opinions, I have been and will continue to be one of the biggest advocates for this site and community. Now some may say that my opinions hurt this site because it creates drama, and maybe they're right. But I have always stood up for what is legally and ethically right and have always promoted less non-hunting BS, removal of the political section and a more family friendly site. 

I think the difference between me and some others is that I know who I am. I accept that I'm a dick from dicksville (that's the joke btw), while some others are just dicks and don't know it. They think they're some great white knight in shining armor here to change the world. 

[Five Seasons]

16 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:

“We don’t need no stinkin’ tags”……..

Movie reference, Blazing Saddles for the lugnuts among us.  

if you're on this site and haven't seen that movie it should be an instant ban. Once you've seen the movie you can rejoin haha

[Robhuntandfish]

dude I have a pretty demanding job and 3 kids under 10, I've been getting up at 4 to turkey hunt and in the afternoon putting in a big ass food plot, I can barely remember what I had for breakfast. If I posted a meme from a porn that wasn't porn then I broke zero rules. 
Despite the fact that I piss some people off with my opinions, I have been and will continue to be one of the biggest advocates for this site and community. Now some may say that my opinions hurt this site because it creates drama, and maybe they're right. But I have always stood up for what is legally and ethically right and have always promoted less non-hunting BS, removal of the political section and a more family friendly site. 
I think the difference between me and some others is that I know who I am. I accept that I'm a dick from dicksville (that's the joke btw), while some others are just dicks and don't know it. They think they're some great white knight in shining armor here to change the world. 

Look I have no issue with what you do or say here don't even care, until you come at me on a benign post and call me sexist. Slow your roll and I won't bite back.

Then also post here that blazing saddles is a great movie. I agree again it is but if you've seen it you know what I mean. Enjoy that movie then call people sexist on a crossbow post that was simple enough. Just don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. I don't even care if I get called out and deserve it, but I didn't.

Done. PM me if you want more info and best of luck on those food plots. Was looking forward to your posts on the new cutter.

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[wolc123]

I wonder when we will hear wether or not this new measure passes ?  Does anyone remember when those sweet new changes that the DEC made last year (early antlerless gun season, Adirondack ML antlerless, extra hour of hunting time, & Holiday ML season were announced ?  
 

I realize that this one is now in the hands of the politicians, not the DEC, and they probably have more important concerns, to them anyhow.    

[nyslowhand]

Last I checked these Xbow bills still sat in the Enviro Cons sub-committees ... again!! To have new legislation in place it needs to get out of those committees and put on the schedule for a vote before about mid-June when the legislative summer recess begins. Seems like this issue is stuck in the same limbo as the past 7yrs.

[wolc123]

1 hour ago, nyslowhand said:

Last I checked these Xbow bills still sat in the Enviro Cons sub-committees ... again!! To have new legislation in place it needs to get out of those committees and put on the schedule for a vote before about mid-June when the legislative summer recess begins. Seems like this issue is stuck in the same limbo as the past 7yrs.

I wonder if it would slide thru a little easier if they kept the current minimum width and maximum poundage restrictions.  

[Five Seasons]

On 5/13/2022 at 12:49 PM, Robhuntandfish said:

Look I have no issue with what you do or say here don't even care, until you come at me on a benign post and call me sexist. Slow your roll and I won't bite back.

Then also post here that blazing saddles is a great movie. I agree again it is but if you've seen it you know what I mean. Enjoy that movie then call people sexist on a crossbow post that was simple enough. Just don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. I don't even care if I get called out and deserve it, but I didn't.

Done. PM me if you want more info and best of luck on those food plots. Was looking forward to your posts on the new cutter.

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It's fair. The term is obviously what got under your skin and I guess it was the wrong choice of words. My point is that many, many, many woman can pull back a bow and it seemed that you were imply that they just couldn't. I think we've beat that to death.

My whole food plot journey is chronicled on my youtube if you're interested in checking it out. I just popped a tire on my kunz mower so she's down for a bit, which is fine as there hasn't been any rain since I planted my clover lol. Going to be a long while before I have to mow it. but the orchard grasses are about knee high already too.