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One more day of work, one more 3D shoot, and one weekend away from opening day!! I'm 27 years old and feel just like I did when I was 5 on Christmas morning. I can't wait to be in a tree on Monday! Good luck everybody.

Right you are Joe. But all the regular guys I know are deeply dissappointed with the deer situation in Northcentral Pa. to say the least. So the vote is a landslide against! There are a few who have a lot of acreage tied up, huge food plots that suck in the deer from all over, especially in poor mast years... and the wherewithal to hunt the whole season...they have big smiles. But the regular guy who has to work, has a family to raise and not thousands of dollars to dump into food plots or can afford a big lease payment each month...is getting the short end of the stick. AR's and elietism seem to be walking hand-in-hand and I like to think that what should make the difference out in the woods is who is the best hunter and who is the best shot. But I am old-fashioned with old fashioned values.

First , you cant compare ny to other states. your big buck states, il,io,oh,ks,missouri for example. Their total number of deer hunters is less than half of the hunters in new york! The average land owner in new york is 50 acres or less, the other states 400 acres plus!! the hunter density per acre is much greater in ny than other "big buck states" their season are much shorter. Your comparing private land/lease with the rest of the state. are big bucks possible here ...yes! many land owners can manage their own harvest or may group together to control a bigger area. Our taxes are 4-5x as high as big buck states! for my own property almost $9,000 a year. i belive i have the right to choose what i shoot what i want size wise! if you want the big bucks here man up buy/lease land enforce your own restrictions. leave the rest of the 400,000 of 500 thousand hunters and myself to choose owr own trophys!

A man, Bob, and his friend Joe went out hunting. This was Joe's first time ever hunting, so he was following Bob's lead. Bob saw a small herd of deer and told Joe to stay in the exact spot he was and to be quiet. After a few minutes, Bob heard a loud scream. He ran back and asked Joe what had happened. Joe said “There was this snake and he slittered across my feet, but I never screamed. Then there was this bear that came up to me and snarled, but I never screamed.” “So then what did make you scream,” Bob asked, exasperated. “Well,” Joe continued, “two squirells crawled up my pants and I overheard them say, ‘Should we take them home or eat 'em now?’

I remember when you bought your license and got one tag that was for buck only during the regular season and it could be used for either sex archery, if you were lucky enough to get one during archery season you could buy another for $5 to use for rifle...that and you also had a chance at the limited amount of doe tag's and if you still had one left over you could use it for either sex during late archery or muzzleloader......now they give out too many tags........saw a lot more deer back then before they complicated things.

you pretty much summed up my feelings, these rules are ruining what hunting is to a lot of us.

No, that's Elmo and 13BVET with the squirrel they got with their airguns. Took 72 pellets to the head to bring him down. LOL

For years, I used cigarette smoke. No where near as good as the milkweed seed, but it sure did tell quite a story about where I was about to get busted from ..... lol.

Seriously - they let the kids in Jr High spend this much time on the computer in school? Or is some one home in the basement skipping school.

Does the VP hunt?...If so this guy may find him self in a pickle ,trying to act like that on the VP's hunting land.... Your aggravation towards him may turn into a satisfaction grin all said and done...ppl like that tend to hang them selfs in the end...lol

if you do not reply, the troll will go away.

Grow up boy...if your girlfriends pie is waving at you, you'll need to stand in line and take a # till it's your turn.

Just be ause it doesnt affect you, doesnt mean you shouldnt care that it effects the next guy, who may not wish to practice it.

I hunted Pa and live in Pa all my life. It USED to be good till the AR BS. I got a decent buck just about every year till the AR BS started. It is NOT liked by anyone I know.Most down to earth hunters I know,are meat hunters and could care less about the deers age or what is on it's head.Why can't you rack hunters get it through your skull,that there are people out there that do not care about the rack or age of the deer? Meat in the freezer and a filled tag,a few days in the woods,a few days off of work and some fun times with hunting buddies. I lost out on too many deer that I just could not tell if it had brow tines.....so tag soup was made,all them days off of work that I DON"T get paid for and a few guys going home and back to work with a bad attitude because the tags were not filled. I would rather go home with a forkhorn than nothing at all.

WOW!!!! BigGuyNY.................I thought you pulled your own post!! The post I wrote I pulled myself because it looked like I was talking to myself without yours being there. LOL! You mean to tell me that with all the mud slinging, bad language, and name calling that is all over this site your post was pulled within minutes of being posted. Your post is clean although provocative but not crossing any line that I could see. You must have hit a nerve someplace. By he way I kept what I wrote and will likely post it elsewhere on this site at some later date, with some modification so it does look like I'm talking to myself. LOL!

I think jetmec wears Dream Season underoos

I had some 44 mag reloads that required disassembly and put them in the Dud box at the range . Had to wait 3 months for RCBS to get off their ass and send any bullet pullers to the store . I have had it for a year and havn't opened the package yet as I havn't needed it . If I didn't have one , I would neeed the darned thing !

I just heard on the radio that there have been a couple of escapees from an upstate insane asylum. Looks like they found their way to this forum! LOL Who would have thunk that they were such big AR supporters?? LOL

I have no desire for them out here in wNY. I can maybe understand the eastern implementation based on hunter desire and the stats there....but 3 a side here? No way. Basket 8 1.5s are common enough here that even 4 a side wouldn't advance the class to the point of effectiveness. I've got enough of them on my wall from early on in my hunting career. Heck, I have a 12, arguably 13 point 1.5 y/o on the wall. Plus, not a big fan of more control on hunting. Now, I would accept OBR. Give the hunter the DECISION to take the one buck he wants. I think the two tag thing is really what leads to a ton of 1.5s being killed. Although only a small number fill both tags, the common thinking is to put the first one down and "hold out." And, of course, the 1.5 is often the first trigger to be squeezed or arrow released.

Uh yeah! ... Errr... I mean No! We just want to look cool like Michael Waddell and his beard/goatee wearing cronies! LOL!

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

That 180 pounder would have been illegal to shoot in one of those 3-point minimum AR units. He would have been free to breed and pass his genetics along until he died of old age.

You need to grab the milf (sorry, milk) weed pods when they are just opening. I checked one the other day and it wasn't ready for action. Most of the time I just use a tiny piece of tissue or paper towl. Just pinch off a very small corner and let 'er fly.

You are right. When the 1st post in a thread is simply an insulting attack, probably not going to be a meaningful productive thread. It was the sole purpose of him starting this thread. I'm guilty of giving him the very thing he sought.

gosh, i really really dont like trolls.

I have family that hunts over the boarder in PA that say the same thing. At first they hated AR's because they were use to shooting the first spike or 4 point that came along and almost never saw anything near 120ish. Now they all kill big bucks every yr and like to rub it in with cell phone pic's as soon as they kill one. Its really kind of annoying but go's to show that it does work.

Advanced NY Hunter Members 989 posts LocationUlster NY Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:53 AM i live and hunt in 3J and we were the first to have AR in NY state, started about 6 or so years ago. i have never shot a buck to small, i just sit and wait till i can count the antlers, then make the shot. its not really as tough as some hunters might think it is, i might add that AR has most of us hunting bigger bucks now anyway, not uncomman to see nicely racked 8 and even 10 pointers in my area now when 10 years ago we were dubbed the land of the spiked buck. Grizz1219 and SteveNY like this Like This Quote MultiQuote

Nasal spray, goggles, do you have a pocket protector? All I can do is picture Steve Erkel hunting, not a pretty picture.

ok so we got one guy that is against being told what he can and cant take. but is hunting on private land that the owner has placed his own restrictions (being told what you can and cant take)?? there is plenty of public land at your disposal if your so against having restrictions.

This has to be in the top 10 of the dumbest post I ever read on here. Im not quite sure its the yearlings bucks lacking the brains in that post.

To funny!! Actually, if its waving there is something wrong with it.And id stay as far away as possible.

Or if the wife will give you a hard time about it buy her a kitchen aid stand mixer and buy the sausage grinder and stuffer attachements for yourself. Make her happy and make your grinding easier.

I'm not an advocate of AR's but I'll agree with this statement. On the other hand, I've killed plenty of spikers and crotch horns to stretch my smile a mile wide! ...but as a shed hunter I gotta say there's a lot more 1 1/2 yo's that make it through every season than some of you pro-AR guys will ever admit or perhaps ever even know about for that matter. I'm good with no restrictions..... I'll take anything either side of this debate leaves behind once season closes.

Wanted to throw one more thing in to the mix here. The AR will improve hunting anywhere it is implemented and if you think otherwise, you are mistaken. Might not notice the first few years, but after that I can guarantee the population of deer will increase and you will still be able to kill young bucks. I have seen plenty of 1.5 YO 6 and even 8 pointers which would be legal to harvest. Granted those are the ones you really should let grow, feel free to blast away. 3 on one side isnt really much of a restriction when you think about it.

I bet if you took you face mask off while she was yelling she would have changed her tune real quick once her realized who she was yelling at

Maybe you could direct him to a local Deer Farm ..............

I hear ya Skillet! This guys got only two posts on here, and he's already stirring up a hornet's nest??? What gives?

Good luck leasing it, might want to sell if you can't be there to watch it or hire some one to watch it for you to avoide stuff like this. Thank you for being honest.

Man this is better than listening to Obamma and Romney bashing the hell out of each other!!!!!! Screw the popcorn someone get me a beer!

My eyes water when I read some of the posts on here !

I sometimes get pimples on my arse that wont go away just like threads about AR.

THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES, BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR BACONNNNNNNNN!

never saw anything like this and i have hunted state land for years.

i would like to know who voted for this youth hunt? i understand that kids need to get involved but kinda crazy having a 3 day rifle season the first weekend of the southern zone. i enjoyed the fact that there was no guns in the woods shooting all the big bucks that are well out of archery range and not pressured. on another note the deer should be moving !! took my son out sunday afternoon hes 3 and ready to go!! sat in the ground blind for 2 hours and just before dark we had a 3 does and a 5 pointer walk 10 yards from the blind. it was awesome we was like " DADDY THAT WAS A MONSTER BUCK!!

Great just what a need a reason to go buy an air gun Thanks guys!!!

Dec has been upsetting hunters since the start. No hunter wanted any regulations. Then they complained about the amount of legal time, then the amount of deer. We will always reject proposals that infringe on our hunting and some one will be pissed off at any change in regulations. I am sorry I pissed off so many unsuccessful hunters in the southern zone... 90 % Let me guese you did not get a deer last year? I have guys who whack over 6-12 deer a year down in the southern zone. They claim they can hit them over the head with a hammer... Tough hunting... But if you can not find and kill one well you need to take a hunting course then... Join a seminar... Learn more about what you are doing and scout some more and you will have better success. Don't be pissed off at me just because you are lazy and can not pattern a single deer... Make your own success...

Think I will join another bow hunter group. At least they seem to care about the animals, instead of saying I just need to fill my freezer... Yea, As a matter of fact I am going to try and make AR a state wide development. Yep. May be you should just move out of state... NFA GETSOME

Oh for crying out loud. Now we start with the conspiracy stories. The DEC supposedly accepted tons of unsigned input and you are blaming AR groups? What is the matter with you people. You will find any kind of silly story to justify maintaining your ability to simply lay back and stay uninvolved. The only thing that empowers any of these organizations is the unwillingness of the whiners to actually get off their butt and take them down or replace them. That's how the desires of the few influences the situations of this so-called "silent majority".

Personaly I feel the age structure of NY's herds are very young. Will AR restrictions fix this? I do not know... The fact that you do not get to shoot a deer for a few years in your area should be of little consequenses, yet many make these AR restrictions a easy excuse to quite hunting, well guese what any excuse will work... This is a big state with much land for hunting, if you really need to bag a deer go to another area with NO restrictions... OR get involved and express your oppinion, start a group or join a group with similar intrest... I understand your complaints yet I feel most hunters could care less about the deer heard and are more concerned with being able to shoot a deer... And that is why I could care less about AR restrictions, personaly I feel they would help the heard... In so far as being in the woods with other hunters for other game, well I understand 1st hand why the bow hunters in FULL CAMO would not want a bunch or orange army guys hunting the same area and clipping off rounds. I was running out of the woods last year from other BO hunters... So yea personaly I feel they should separate seasons so you DO NOT have a guy in full camo with a bow and another guy with a shot gun next to his black powder hunting for bear. Instead of complaining I just go back deeper in the woods during the weekend warior days... You call this selfish yet I just feel most hunters are selfish and could care less about the heard, they just want to be able to shoot something... And if they can not, well then I will just quite seems to be the attitude... Sounds selfish to me... You call these AR restrictions harmfull but if NY hunters start to take a better class of deer in these area's and the animals get to a older age structor and the heard is healthy, well that's what I am about. No bucks to shoot at in your area? 35 members, ok do you have over 1000 achers to hunt at least? 35 people I would say you would need at least 3,000 mimimum. Or are you stuffing 35 hunters in a 300 acher lot? Then complaining thier are no deer to hunt? Just because you do not see deer does not mean they are not thier... I am sorry but if a AR restriction forces you to quite hunting in NY so be it... You were looking for a excuse anyway. ANd to say: "it cost to much to sit in the woods knowing they will not see a legal buck and with no doe tags to boot, they are going to look else where." Sounds like another excuse to stop hunting that area just because thier chances of shooting something are limited... With 35 people trampling all over your property I am not surprised you have people leaving... And that last statement is just a bunch of BS. Nothing in hunting is guaranteed, even the OTHER place they decied to hunt... Unless fence hunting is your thing...

Does the mineral lick come with the property or is that extra?