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Funny Larry , Phade, I guess I am not alone in my willingness to inconvenience myself more for a big buck than a doe. I shoot my share of does. I'm not going make excuses or somehow apologize for passing does at times when I'd shoot a buck early in season at inopportune times. Hard to figure there are hunters out there who wouldn't understand this. But that's fine. hunting is supposed to be fun. Follow the rules and enjoy yourself.

I don't think I owe anyone or DEC an explanation if I decide to pass on a doe and shoot a buck. Any time of the season as long as I am within the regulations. As far as the DEC, they have their head in the sand and have no idea of how many deer are in the area I hunt. With my boots on the ground, I do have an idea. I have no problem shooting does. But given the CHOICE, I will shoot a buck. I will always give another hunter a hearty hand shake, smile, thumbs up and way to go for ANY deer they have killed. Buck,doe small or large. So don't crucify me for being a horn hunter. We need to respect the fact that we all hunt for different reasons.

Most of the time I shot a deer in the south when it was warm - we had a big giant cooler to hang the deer in. Nearly every single hunt club I know of or had been around in the south have walk in coolers. They can invest in that because their season is so long and during warm weather. Walk-in coolers are also a legit business in the south outside of hunt clubs. People rent space all the time. Here, not exactly practical for most. I've yet to see a private walk-in cooler set up for deer hunting here. Sunday night, I have no qualms saying I'm probably going to pass that doe. But, that's also the case during bow gun or MZ, unless I am willing to burn the PTO to take care of it. When I shot my buck on Oct. 1, it was 2:30 a.m. before my head hit the pillow after all was said and done. I was a zombie the next day at work - never again. If it's buckzilla, I'll shoot it and take PTO. I'm simply not going to do that for a doe. For the record, I did fill four antlerless tags last season. If you want to complain about me passing a Sunday night doe, please be sure to have shot five doe last season; otherwise, you know where you can go...

Stubby, the reason I would shoot a big buck in early October warm weather, but may pass on a doe in the same situation is because I will be more willing to deal with the inconvenience of the kill if it's a nice buck. In other words shooting a big buck gives me more sense of accomplishment than shooting a doe. Since you posed this question I take it that you do not share the same view. That's fine. We all don't have to hunt for the same reasons and with the same motives. As a bow inter and rifle hunter the season is long. If I don't want to deal with a doe in the early heat of October, it's a nice luxury to have.

Bendog......my best ever Lab, Ben....lost him at age 16.....a legend in the Adirondacks on pheasants.....which is kind of like being the best ice fisherman in Georgia....but he WAS a good one....

I need to start practicing some sort of quick draw with my eyes closed and my zipper down. That seems like the most common time for a shooter to show up, and I haven't been able to pull it off yet,lol Those last few dribbling drops hitting the leaves 20ft below when you gotta cut it off and spin around mid-stream always send them deer into red alert mode!

For those of you not familiar with the term, it means taking photos with a point and shoot camera through a spotting scope or binoculars. I took these photos of Calliope Hummingbirds last week in Idaho with a cheap point and shoot and a very high quality scope. The bison photo was taken with the same equipment. The other photos I've taken over the years, mostly for documentation purposes.

So today I go to a local town clerk to get my new hunting/fishing licenses. I am the first one there and the only one in line. The clerk puts all my info into the computer and it takes just shy of 1/2 hour before the computer prints out my licenses. This could have been done by hand in less than 5 minutes. A short while later my son calls me and tells me he is going to go and get his new licenses. He calls me later and tells me that he had gone to Walmart and that there was a guy who had been waited on and was still waiting 45 minutes later to get his licenses. So my son tells me he goes to Bass Pro Shops and there is a man and his wife in line who were unable to get their licenses. The clerk tells him that there is a problem but decides to try for him and it comes back that there is no record of him. While there the local Dick's calls Bass Pro to see if they are having problems with their computer as they cannot get licenses through theirs. This system was supposed to make getting licenses faster and more efficient, but like many computer systems, has done just the opposite. Now my son has to return to the issuing agent on another day at another time to get his license (Hopefully). So have any of you had problems with the system and what is your opinion on this system which seems to be doing more damage than good?

I don't feed birds during the warm months because of bears. A pair of wrens decided to take up residence in a squirrel proof feeder. I left a camera on it while I was away. These are a few of the shots I found when I returned. Note the bird on the feeder. One beam? Momma wren with food for her babes.

As far as heat, I'll pass does just so I don't get sweaty, I can shoot does on over 50% or more of my sits so I'll pass when it's warm, if I got a long drag across plowed fields I'll never shoot a doe in that spot as well. If it's last light and I'm working the next day , pass..... Heck I'll pass a doe if I feel I'd be late for watching Survior on tv with our friends. Now a large buck it seems I get one in close opportunity in bow season ( last year bad angle and too many limbs , never even shot) so yes I'll get sweaty, spend three hours dragging the darn thing across 16 inch deep muddy furrows, or try to get a guy at the last minute to cover my shift the next Day if needed . I might even miss Survior if the wife will dvr it !

An acquaintance of mine from WI/MN texted me this morning "That feeling when your cell cam hasn't texted you a pic in 24 hours...." Meaning, he thought the cam was boosted by a trespasser or something was wrong with it. It dragged on long enough that went out there to check 35 min drive one way. Cam worked fine - he swiped his hand in front of the cam and had a pic in a minute. Then he noticed the wolf tracks on the way back to the truck. A quick check of another cam got a pack of three moving through. It's like dropping an anti-deer grenade when they come through...he still hasn't gotten a pic of a deer yet, now going on almost 48 hours - in a spot where not one, but two 140" plus bucks were showing up daily. Wolves are neat animals, and in all honesty, I'd love to hunt one someday. But, I also have a tremendous amount of sympathy for deer hunters who have them move in. I don't want a thing to do with them in my area.

You're arguing both sides of the same coin here. There are just as many Progressive/Socialist corporations who 'own the government' as there are others. Think Facebook, Google, Apple, Ebay and many other corporate entities that have learned how the system is played today. It's the system that's screwed up, not the ones who've learned how to make it work to their advantage. The system is Fascist at it's very roots: private ownership with government control. The government likes that and the business-people have learned how to deal with it by buying politicians and influencing the regulations the government constantly puts in place. Political alliance has nothing to with the realities of economics. People who own businesses know that. Put the grease where it's needed. Advancing the powers of the regulatory agencies in this country ( a progressive/socialist phenomenon for the most part) has all but cemented that system in place, except the government wants more and would like to have ownership as well as control. This would be Socialism. If you see a bright side to this concept, I'd sure like to hear it.

The Adirondacks doesn't need any deer population control. They should just put all the wolves in the southern zone.

What isn't speculation is that if I fill them I. That bow I don't have them to use in gun. It isn't increasing anything other than their ill thought percentages

I know Lawz...it's just he's asked about hinging in another post and mentioned food... Now whether they are considered baiting if hunted near....Yes it's good for a late winter tide over but hinging is really about cover and bedding most ppl don't create bedding then hunt in it...just making that point to him

"So you think they put a two week antlerless season in archery to take more doe in gun season?" Your words. I never said anything of the sort. I said they need more doe killed. Why the heck would it matter what season it happens in? At the end of the season, they are dead all the same. Adding heavier pressure at the beginning of the season will be counter productive, I assume you have some understanding of what hunting pressure does to deer activity on a property. If not, a little reading on the subject will clear it up for you. I dont care how the DEC wants to spin this or lie about what they are doing, doe only, early muzzleloader, etc will not fix the real problem. I heard Hurst mention it in his public service announcement piece on the Bob Lonsberry show, but they have yet to come up with a way to address it effectively. It wont matter how many DMPs they put out there, how many special doe only seasons they add, none of that will get anyone access to hunting land. Cant kill them if you cant get at them. The DEC doesnt have a clue what they are doing. This plan of theirs is proof of that.

Pins??.. What are they?

login or create an account, buy the hunting for $22 and than go back to purchase other you want. Remember to use your Hunting Lic ID which included a prior year bow tag or use your Drivers Lic # if its not in the system edit your profile and Bow hunting certificate info.

Dont put words in my mouth. In those WMUs, they want more does killed period. Handing out more DMPs has not done the trick, so they are trying something different. It wont work, and an early ML season most likely wont do much either. Its not the number of doe they allow to be killed that is the main problem. Its land access.

for his age... Now later sometime I 'll address what I have experience on when it comes to two totally different areas and antler size...That said...before the farms moved in and before they realized soybeans grow great here... a young 4 would never have had beams like this....

Pat Paulsen... you young guys won't get this.

Did you all notice when the guy said the ammo costs $40 a round? $40 a round!! WTH are they thinking?

Instantly.YES .I say you're a socialist…which you no doubt are, and you instantly break out the socialist handbook and name call. Is socialist some kind of slur in your book? Seems I paid you a complement. Even in your above statement you can't help but name call….Its not like I called you a social-scizz.

Must have purchased from China, our friends, LOL.

More of the same in New York state!

The Fascist economic system was put in place years before Eisenhower became president, and it's still in place today.

I dont know about your spot, but most of archery season, Im listening to waterfowlers, and small game hunters banging away anyhow. Doesnt ruin my experience and it doesnt make the deer sketchy.

The. Take them all in the group and it solves the problem. Lol

I have tracked a few deer in the dark...I've waited until midnight to go out and returned home at 3am with a gutted deer to hang...the only thing I do not like about it is having the head lamp on and my hands in the deers cavity...to look up and see I have a few sets of glowing eyes not to far away watching me...now that is just a tad freaky in bear and yote country...I do a lot of singing and talking out loud when I clean a deer in the dark woods.....

I'm in exactly the same boat. My area, 4O is the same way. PP required and in the antler restriction area. Just across the street is 4F (where I do not have permission to hunt) with doe permit chances rated "high" for first choice and no antler restriction. Go figure. I know the DEC has to chop up areas in some sort of logical and easily identifiable fashion, but sometimes it makes little sense deer/habitat wise. 4O runs from Stamford in the north of Delaware county down to hancock in the South generally along the west side of the West branch of the Delaware river. Our herd up here is way different than that down there. As one who got a late start in life, I have a sore spot for the way the antler point restriction works. Anyone between 12-16, junior hunters, are not subject to the rule and I understand that. It should help hunter recruitment. But for me, who has never shot a buck in my life, I feel its harsh. A person should not be restricted in their first buck, most on this site got theirs before antler restrictions and if truth be told was probably less than 6 points, or at least less than 3 points on one side. With todays computer licensing system and reporting, I feel anyone should be able to take a legal 1 point greater than 3" buck if it is their first buck of their life, and then the rule should apply. And please don't say it wont work because people will just not report their first non antler restriction buck. If someone is not going to report their first buck, they are probably not going to report other bucks. Point is a rule is only as good as the people who follow it, many never report any bucks. But at least give a guy a chance to take the first buck of his life!! I'm going on because I am facing another season of why bother going out during rifle season? No qualifying bucks around (the antler point restriction theory is not working to produce bigger bucks here) and I can't shoot a doe without a permit. Perhaps, I should have started another thread and just agreed with the initial post on this one. If you read and understood this, thank you.

Not ponds...they are sunken watering holes and this particular one is a bathtub I sunk...it amazes me how many frogs I raise in that thing...hundreds and hundreds actually. I believe it is one reason the turkey hang out down there in mid summer...lol They are all in various stages of growth from tads to two legs then two legs and a tail through to the tiny baby frogs that hop away...there are a dozen or so that hang out around and under the tub, I dug the hole deep enough to set it on cinder blocks. This allows me to empty and clean it before winter. the "Pond" area we have is the spot that is a pond size water source in the spring and heavy rains,but drains to a puddle in the hot summers...We have plans to get a pond dug there because we had... someone years ago...a guy come out and do test holes before we got our tractor...that area has a few feet of grey clay under a thin layer of top soil and is a natural 1/2 acre depression at the head of the gully. All our other water is in the form of full and some part time streams that run down to a swamp...two streams you can see running under the ground...neat when you know where to walk down there. Camp has the same thing..when you are walking down the hill at camp ..any time of year if you stand still you can hear the water flowing under your feet.

Heck, if they are serious about whacking the hell out of the does, drop the DMP requirement completely. Open season on does for all seasons ..... period. How serious is this over population problem anyway? You want them wiped out, simply remove all impediments to doing so. And buy the way, eliminate the charge for tag applications in those WMUs also. We can knock down that herd real quick, and it doesn't require limiting anybody. There are so many ways to whack on the herd, that it is hard to believe that population management has to be put solely on the backs of the smallest group of hunters alone. Believe me, there is more to all of this nonsense than simply a need for population control.

That's what you ADK hunters are supposed to put in your stand seats to keep you awake until a buck finally shows up. Big woods bow hunter "No-Doze" basically,lol

Saw a bumper sticker that sums up the upcomming race; Weiner/Holder '16

Scroll down to hour four and listen.... http://www.wham1180.com/onair/bob-lonsberry-3440/show-recap-81015-13841151/

I'd think same situation we've got now. limited participation. hot days to me are just as worry worthy as cold ones. I've passed deer early season on a hot Sunday evening, because i don't really have time to deal with it right away and have to work the following day. early archery season is ample enough time for me to fill tags. i don't think it'd change my harvest numbers.

If you were going to farm it, you would want to deep chisel plow it to brake up clay hard pan and leave topsoil on top, to aid In root and water drainage, hog radish and turnips will do the same over time , lime to balance ph. Buckwheat, or red clover to plow under to help build nitrogen and organic matter, for a few years and then a clover,cerial grain, rotation. A 16 In plow will be set to plow 8 inches deep, or just disc if you can't control depth oe roots will be problem. Fo almost all your food plotting partial shade will be better than full sun as soil is thin and will dry out, your biggest concern will be the ph as leaves every year from oaks will raise it.

It's not ethical, and kind of a DB thing to do IMO. Those discounts are a perk of the job, with the employer offing you deals to make the company a better place to work. Incentive so to speak. If I owned a store/company and an employee did this to me, I would fire them on the spot. I would consider it theft. It shouldn't matter the size of a company, wrong is wrong. If you owned a store/company and caught an employee stealing what would you do?

Agreed and i am one of the ones that have way to much invested in Ny and having a successful life in Ny. I will be damned if i will move or be forced out. Live your life by your hand and dont worry to much about stupid laws they make. In hunting mostly. Its pretty easy for landowners to do their own thing, within reason. Also can have the best of both worlds if ya play your cards right.

Guys most of the throw and grow blends mostly have rye grass in them. They will say we have brassica, radish, clover etc....but it's a very very low percentage. I wouldn't waste your hard earned money on them. look at the seed label and the proof will be there.

I have one pin that is right on at 20-25. Any farther and I have to hold a little hight. I don't think I have ever shot at a deer farther than 25.

I reserve still hunting for gun season, but even so, I have found myself in shooting situations on my way to the stand more than just a few times. This often forces some strange requirements for shooting stances that you ought to be at least familiar with. Lowering my profile by kneeling is one of the techniques that I use when caught unprepared in one of those unplanned situations. So, that is one of my practice shots that I try to stir into my practice sessions. I also try to get behind something. That usually is a large tree or blowdown. That brings up another weird stance that needs to have some practice. The idea of standing behind a tree and leaning out for bow clearance. That really messes up all those hours of perfect shooting stance practice. So it doesn't hurt to mix in a few of those kinds of practice shots just to see what happens. And of course, when you are caught cold and a shooting opportunity comes that is not always ideal, you might find yourself having to crouch slightly to get under an obstruction. I try to throw some of those un-natural stances to know just what kinds of problems they involve.

Before the children all went off to college they would eat 3 deer a year.

archers are only blaming the dec. some gun hunters are blaming archers. Do you see the difference? Your posts have me starting to wonder who your employer is.

Yeah, I was surprised they went forward with it THIS YEAR....not sure it would be well accepted next year but this gives the dissenters another bullet..... My big concern is that this time around DEC's deer managers – and I will pontificate on this in our Aug. 21 issues – enacted a regulation that needs to be solidly accepted by hunters in order to have the success they're looking for. I don't see that happening for that very reason.....sort of the deer hunting version of a strike...

Had a few more good pics of these bucks on a new camera set in the adjoining cloverfield...

This is why I am in favor of a lottery for all antlerless take, with no consideration to weapon used. All the hunters should be on the same level playing field to take an antlerless. Not fair that a bow hunter or ML hunter can take one state wide in any area chosen.

I hear the U.S. is lifting the embargo on Cuba...........hopefully they'll be available soon.

No but I'm having another great year for the ones raised in my frog pond(bath tub)...fun to watch..eggs through to baby frogs