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Happy New Year everyone.....................Hope it well be a great year and healthy year for all..............

I think the intent of this post was the shooting and leaving eatable game to rot in the woods and not be consumed. Not the philosophy of hunting . But what we think of this terrible waste of natures resources. It seems that at times we get off the topic and rant about everything but the topic. Maybe the rats and wood chucks can be another post. My take is if I shoot it I eat it, just to kill something and leave it in the wood is sick twisted person.

The kind folks from CRCS Outdoors (Cuba Rushford) took me out on a waterfowl hunt yesterday. It's always been my dream to find someone to help me learn how to waterfowl hunt, as I find it very different than any deer, turkey, or squirrel hunting I've done all my life. It's also something I was afraid I could never do, since I can't have a dog and our car is not good for carrying a boat. After I won the Duck Stamp, CRCS did an interview with me and asked me along on a waterfowl hunt locally with Southern Tier Outfitters, we thought it would be neat for me to hunt waterfowl for the first time while using the stamp I painted! I felt very honored. We were finally able to get out yesterday during the second season in Allegany. The outfitters said that this area has been tough due to the unseasonably warm weather we've had and they've been able to get very few ducks to come in at all. We were in a large blind (these guys even have a mini kitchen) and were well concealed. We had a few mallards scope us out and circle out of range, and one pair of common mergansers fly high without even giving the wetland a second look. Around 11, I believe, we saw some geese far off along the Allegany River, and the guides called them in to us. I took one as they came in, but my 870 wouldn't cycle the rounds and jammed as I ejected the first shell. Stupid of me not to check beforehand, but lesson learned. Turns out the bird I shot was banded, and the group lit up with excitement. We were being filmed for the CRCS show and they urged me to call the band in on camera. I did, and as soon as I got through on the band reporting hotline and got to giving them my info, a pair of mallards came in, of course! I got low and tried to finish the call quietly and quickly. By the time I got off the call the mallards were still around but had moved out of range. I was embarrassed that they waited for me instead of taking them, but I appreciated the gesture, it was really kind. Anyhow, it was amazing and I feel super honored to have been invited and enjoyed it very much. I'm very thankful to CRCS, Scott Jordan, and thank you very much to Craig Southard and Patrick Stayer of Southern Tier Outfitters! I can only claim the top goose, but am so thankful for even one! They have more photos on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/391324224291983/photos/pcb.956512284439838/956512234439843/?type=3&theater

You do realize the "e" is hidden in the girls shirt, right?

Woa, hang on there a minute Mick.......(oh, Happy Birthday) since when are we supposed to stay on track with a thread?

My sil is in the same boat so every year for the last 5 years I have gotten my daughter and father a gun for Christmas and make sure that I give them to them at our family Christmas get together. I get as much enjoyment out of her looks as I do watching my daughter and the old man opening them:)

Well today I'm a year older and snowing or not I'm taking Schatz out hunting. I've gone hunting on my birthday almost every year since I was old enough to get a license. It's the one of the few traditions I really try to hold onto. Now to find those hunkered down grouse!!! Jaeger and Schatzie

My guess would be juveniles shooting at anything and not knowing how or wanting to eat the prey. Shooting a pheasant and leaving it to be eaten by another animal doesn't make sense unless the shooter is out just to see if they can hit a moving target. Whomever is responsible should try sporting clays instead.

Tried to post a vid of a red fox...only thing I seen all day

Probably fawns that have hit the necessary weight to breed/come into estrous. A small % of does are bred in late Dec/Jan. All it takes is one, however, to make things a little crazy, in the immediate area. Bucks are will to breed whenever. Sort of like normal guys, I guess.

Damn Biz, I never thought of it like that! I'm going out on a limb and say this: Considering I've been with the same gal (and true to her) for 26 years, see my doctor twice a year for all the blood work & necessary shots and drink just enough bourbon to kill any badass germs I might contract in day to day contact I wouldn't worry a bit. You will also (at no extra charge) get my own personal guarantee. That guarantee is kind of long winded mumbo jumbo but in really boils down to three minutes/three miles coverage. (provided through AARP of course) Just send me the money ya cheap bastid............

Saw few turkey this year and the "lonely hen" and her single poult...So this makes me very happy...and I do not believe I've seen them up on the hill this late in the season ever...By now they have settled down in the valley and return in late March.

In all honestly, I love to hunt, but I don't enjoy the actual act of taking another thing's life. I shoot things mainly because I eat meat, & I accept that eating meat means I'm responsible for death. I'm pleased about making a good shot & I love following a heavy blood trail, but I don't lose sight of the fact that all of the excitement & bounty, comes at the ultimate price for another living being. It's respect. There's lots of opportunities I let pass, because I honestly felt like I didn't want to disturb the animals, or rob them of something they were enjoying. Call me a PETA member, but I swear, I think they do enjoy stuff. Play, favorite foods, maybe even a beautiful sunset (ok, maybe that's reaching). That may be just trying to place human emotion on a creature incapable of it, but I don't care. I know that when I pull the trigger, I want to have a good enough reason for doing it, to rob that animal of it's next sunrise.

I have a big problem with people killing & wasting game, that's traditionally used as food. Where that line is tho, is a personal choice. I mean, technically, we could eat coyotes if we for some deranged reason chose to. I kill lots of red squirrels, because I know they harass the greys, & I've been told they'll go into a grey nest & kill the young. I cut the tails off the reds, & leave the rest. Grey squirrel is my favorite game to eat, so I guess it's just a selfish thing I do, to ensure more greys being around. I have a tough time shooting woodchucks, because I don't eat them. I know they cause a lot of damage, but I don't like to kill them. I do shoot them sometimes, but it makes me uncomfortable. A little sad even. Predators I kill at every chance. Except, there was this coon that I trapped who I let go. She kept getting into the bird feeder, so I trapped her in a havahart. A lot of them hiss and snarl, trying to bite you if you get close. Not this one. When I grabbed the trap to pick it up, I accidentally put my hand where she could get to it. All she did was reach through the cage & grasp me by the thumb. She just held on firmly, & stared into my eyes. We had a moment, I guess . My heart melted, so I opened the door, & she slowly walked out, looked up at me & waddled back into the forest. I'll never shoot another crow. I have a lot of respect for how smart they are & they're pretty cool to watch. In general, I try to not kill if it I won't eat it, or if it's not causing trouble.

Actually, the intent of the thread was obvious and even directly stated in bold print: "My question is: What do you think of people that go out and hunt for no other reason than to kill something?" My reply addressed exactly what was being asked. I realize that a lot of people feel uncomfortable about addressing that point, but in spite of the fact that we don't like to talk about that, that is a very common practice and here was a thread that dared to directly ask the question. Woodchucks, rats, crows, carp, etc., are simply killed as living targets with almost nobody even trying to eat them. So instead of shame-facedly running from the question, I chose to address it directly and without apology.

Happy new year everyone ,the wife and i are headed to the hospital at 7:30 to get induced , what a big change from our plans last year.

Many forums have a give away area where members can have contests for unwanted items as a way to give back to the forum. Here's mine it's a ksf pocket sheath , it holds a SMALL fixed blade and a light ( mini mag or smaller )or folder or match safe on the other side . It's simply a way to carry a couple items into the woods by slipping this in your pocket as opposed to hanging them off a belt. It's unused . If you,have a small fb like say a small Bark River or similar , write your screen name on a piece of paper along with a number from 1 to 50 place your knife on paper and snap a pic. Post pic. On Jan. 7th I'll pick a number 1-50 closet wins.ill post winner here and PM them for address. Here's a link to the site of maker.http://www.ksfleather.com/pocketsheaths.html

Ok, ya got me. I have to confess to killing rats at the dump and not eating them. I also have shot woodchucks and left them. We used to bowfish for carp and not eat them. I know there are those that hunt crows with no intention of eating them. Out west there are those that actually shoot prairie dogs, and I doubt they are particularly prized for their good table fare. I have trapped all kinds of animals, selling the fur and throwing away the carcasses or in some cases using them for bait. I did kill a coyote with no intentions of eating him. I have called and shot foxes .... again, no intention of eating it. I guess I further have to confess that I did all of that in a cold-blooded way without a shred of remorse. But then, we humans are not the only ones that do that. Back when I was a kid, we lost 22 head of sheep to some local dogs that simply went from one sheep to the next killing them for sport and never eating a one of them. I have seen the same thing with dog-killed deer. Our cat does the same thing with mice only she tortures them to death. Apparently the world is an evil place. Look, hunting is a nasty business anyway you look at it. We have justified it as claiming it is done strictly for meat, as if any of us are reduced to hunting for survival. We talk about hunting to balance animal populations, but I can't remember the last time I heard somebody say, "Well, I'm going to go out and control the deer herd now". There is something in all of us that enjoys the hunt and the kill. We are predators. And by the way, I'm not justifying illegal action as in the case of the pheasants. And I have always eaten every squirrel that I have ever shot if that serves as brownie points for forgiving my other wanton acts of killing. But I am not going to sanitize the act of killing wildlife by conjuring up excuses, and I am not going to try to come up with any kind of justification of shooting those rats at the dump. It I something that my primal ancestry coded into my DNA, and it is what it is.

There is a gun culture and there is a hunting culture. They are not the same and are as different as day and night. The trouble makers want to conflate the two. The hunting culture is much closer to the food culture than the gun culture.....

I stopped at a buddies cabin one time to pick him up to go to a pig-roast at another buddies cabin a few miles away. While I was there, we went back to his range, him with his cooler and me with my ML. After a few successful shots and several beers, a patched ball got rammed down the "powderless" barrel. After removing the nipple and pushing a little pyrodex in from the back side, re-installing the nipple and another cap, 3 or 4 times, we were able to get he ball to exit the bore. Lesson learned - save the beer until after the shooting. Fortunately, nobody got hurt and nothing was damaged. Another time I was sighting in my 30/06 on the range at the back of our farm, from the 100 yard bench. I walked over to the target, leaving the rifle on the sandbags, pointed down range. There was no one else around, so I assumed the it was pointed in a safe direction. When I looked back up-range, I saw a buck walk out of the brush, and right over to the bench. For a short time, he had his nose next to the muzzle. I hoped the gun was not loaded but you never know for sure, which is why you treat any gun like it is loaded. A picture flashed through my mind of him knocking the gun off the bags and it going off, hitting me. What a story that would have been. The anti-hunters would have a field day with that one "DEER SHOOTS MAN".

"Glass" hasn't been made in this country for years. The Germans/Austrians & Japanese are the masters of optical glass & have been for some time. I would bet that Leupold uses Japanese glass. Japan is in Asia too. I have a moderately priced Kales "American" series scope made in Austria. Ghe low light performance is superb. I also like the high end Nikons too. Kales is the oldest continually operating optics manufacturer in the world, since 1898. Karl Kales was killed during an air raid in WW II when the plant, that was manufacturing optics for the German war effort, was bombed.

Eerily quiet as I suspected. Lots of big talkers with great advice here..... You want to kill coyotes; get a bunch of dogs. Train them well, get GPS collars, secure permission to VAST tracs of land, wait for snow then gather a bunch of friends to seal off escape routes. You might get more than ONE a year then. Or trap; secure permission to VAST tracts of land, buy a pile of traps, gather the necessary bait, scout the farms for sign, set the traps, check the traps every 24 hours. You MIGHT get one a year until you figure out how it's done. There's a reason most guys have only killed a couple, cause they (like me) shoot them as a target of opportunity while deer hunting and even then it's darn tough. The only reason I've even killed the ones I've got is because there was snow on the ground, I doubt I'd have ever got them with bare ground. OK, I'm done. Happy New Year.

I bought the Kahr .380... which has high reviews among all the 380's... I put all of the 380's in my hands before deciding on the Kahr... I have no regrets... I added a Crossbreed inside the pants concealed carry holster and think I found the right formula for invisibility, accessibility, and comfort.

If you haven't gotten too established in NY yet, get out while you still can! If its too late, then my condolences, & welcome.

Not to add fuel to the fire, but deer dead on the ground don't prove gun accuracy. Pics of your 3-5 shot groups at 100 yards, that's more definitive. There are slug guns out there that are accurate as hell, I've seen them and own one. But I would never say it could compete with a rifle when it comes to overall accuracy. Ok, since now we've turned the OP's simple question into a six of one half dozen of the other debate, Let's be honest, everyone has their own preference for short range and thick brush weaponry. Not everyone is capable of shooting as good or poorly as the next person. Not everyone knows their guns like they should. I don't think the OP is pursuing a new gun. I think he wanted to know if he should put a scope on it, use open sights, slug recommendations, and if his barrels would work. I hope he figures out his barrel situation and can get some range time in with his gun to decipher which slug is best. And hopefully he got some good advice in here amidst all of the disagreements.

Are you offering to do their work, of which there is a lot, for free? The association would be happy to get qualified leadership that will work pro bono. None of those elected to the board by members are paid, but high level executive positions are. Can you name one major national rights organization that has unpaid leadership? Can you point to one that spends the same percentage of it's donations on it's mission? If your not NRA, you helping the anti-gun cause by refusing to support the NRA.

3 year old Male Black Labrador Retriever For Sale $1,500 Metropolis, Illinois Nathan Shearer I have for sale a very driven 3 year old black male Labrador Retriever. He has all his basic obedience down, force fetch, and three years hunting experience. Tank is a retrieving machine, he eats, sleeps, and breaths retrieving. As most know with this type of drive there can be a few hiccups and I feel he is priced accordingly. Feel free to PM me with any questions or for more details. Would make someone a fantastic hunting partner or field trial dog. DOB: 7/11/2012

Road Trip!! Dan. I'll pick you up in about 5 hours. Brew some coffee.

My best climbing days are behind me (legs) so ladder stands work for me. In addition, I find myself putting these stands in by myself 90% of the time. Securing the top "good enough" to climb and really fasten it in with the ratching strap is my most anxious moment. If those jaws clamp on enough to make me more confident then that's great. PS: Yes .... I some time take chances .... my bad.

Anyone who robs your place should say screw the flatscreen, & take the dekes. There's some serious $ wrapped up in them babies. Congrats!

Birthday was 29th. Girls got me the DSD Jake to go with my upright hen. Stoked !

I ordered the Onyx ladder stand. i like the look of it so I'm going to give it a try. I don't mind tweaking them. It won't be the first time.

If you eat it or not it's about respect of the animal and woods. Treat the harvest right even if just a free meal for a fox put out of sight of others lay it peacefully and be thankful that we have the opportunity to hunt and fish the species we have. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

Feeder gives the impression all is well. The look out type stands higher if you hunt in grass. The breeder can disappear if you hunt mountains or hills n it rolls

That is definitely the best pizza. We have standing orders in the family - if you make a trip into Brooklyn, buy a whole Sicilian pie or two to bring back and a container of Spumoni. fftank21There are foxes and coyotes in Sterling Forest (Orange county) for your predator hunting fix. Need to go to visitor center and buy a permit for the season ($5) and bring your hunting license for the paperwork.

Nice catch Elmo . Lol

Or...... it's as simple as some anti nut job trying to make hunters look bad...I suppose an example will be needed...IE: the crazies that don't believe in "killing babies" so they bomb a clinic killing adults. This mind set killing to save life. In this case PERHAPS to recruit more antis.

Did the raw generation skinny cleanse. So far down 5 lbs. And idk if its just me but I feel like my waist has shrunk a modest bit, but that could all be just in my head. Needless to say tomorrow for breakfast will be a nice giant 2 pieces of grilled chicken breast and raw string beans You Can't Beat My Meat!

What a tease of a thread! [emoji36] X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Yea, the best thing you can do is leave NY.

How many girls have you hooked up with and when were you last tested? Lol. Who wants to blow on a call some other dude already did? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probably a pair/M n F

I would think so…why not??

awesome info!!!

Just changed the oil. She got to ride super slow in the yard. Loved it. Little one is on the electric one. Can't wait to get it up to the cabin. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

I use Remington Sluggers with out a problem, harvest every deer under 60 yards as well and nothing like slugs will put a deer down with so much force. Don't waste your money on a rifled barrel and a scope not to mention that the sabots cost 12$ for 5 shells compared to 5$ for 5 shells or 14$ for a 15 shell pack of Remington Sluggers, just use an improved or modified choke with slugs never use a full or turkey choke.

My taxi did one of a buck grooming himself, head over the shoulder. It's very cool

Aahh the oldies..Piels, Schaffer, Black Label,Schmitt's, The only one that surviver is PBR..Its been our hunting camp beer for over 30 years… Its the only time of the year I drink the stuff..LOL!!

Nice to hear things are progressing . Been in a couple hundred fires, saw a lot of death made a couple saves . But we leave go back to the firehouse clean tools take a shower and go to bed and wait for the next one, while folks like yourself are left to try to move forward . Something I need to focus more on. Kind of makes this whole " bad deer season" seem silly doesn't it ........ Keep,the faith brother !

And this, 3 generations sharing my buck, is all the award I'll ever need.