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what do you guys think of starting a QDM cooperative with neighbors? im thinking of talking to a couple of neighbors and seeing if they would be interested in sharing info trail cam pics ect and deciding to or not to harvest certain bucks ect ect ect... (this would not be something under the QDMA it would just be a private thing w a few friends/neighbors) is it a good idea? 

this is the area i was thinking of trying to get as a block of QDM managed properties

red block=area i want

yellow block=our property

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blue blocks=approx property lines (some are kinda my guesses)

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If the right people are involved it can work well. I know a small group of guys who combined own only about 300 acres here in the Rochester area. They're all early 50s now, but the sheer volume of bucks on the wall is nothing short of world-class impressive. They all share information and created one continuous hunting parcel for the group. Intense plotting, tsi, and bed creation, but also solid trigger control.

 

Just one of the guys alone has 7 P&Y from this property with another 20-25 in the 120-140 range (gross) that didn't net P&Y or were gun kills. 25+ 120" and up bucks in NY is nothing to shake a stick at. I haven't seen the remaining walls from the others involved, but I've chatted with them, and they said their walls are about the same in number and size.

 

The problem is, it doesn't work like this very often. People are messy...and matching minds is unlikely. Do your research before making such a venture.

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Co-ops are a great way to increase your chances at getting a buck past 1.5 years of age here in trigger happy NY.

 

You mention it wouldn't be a QDMA kinda thing... this is totally a QDMA thing and they have resources to help you if you are interested.  As others have said, it takes like minded people. I would also suggest keeping your harvest goals realistic and still have fun. There is no doubt passing 1.5 year olds can make your chances of seeing and harvesting older age class bucks.  

 

People will argue and mention a ton of people they know where it doesn't work... nonsense.   They can not get to an older age class of bucks if they don't get past 1.5

 

A 1.5 year old is around the human age of 13, in fact they still have milk teeth.   Voluntary AR's are the way to go, they are not perfect by any means,.. and there are many ways to set up your own harvest goals.   I use 8 pt or better for visitors on my property, I use age, but I can age on the hoof.   Remember  QDMA promotes passing on all 1.5 year olds and some 2.5 year olds, but it is up to you.  There is a lot more to QDMA or QDM that antlers.

 

Joseph you want further info reach out to me!

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I would consider the trespassing a clues as to how that qdm effort would work out. I have a friend who has a strict 6pt or better rule on his 100 acre property, he is adjacent to a 400 acre lodge who enforces the same rule it works out well for them, trusting several different neighbors to all adhere to the same rules can be difficult

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It cant hurt to talk to your neighbors.... it has to start somewhere.... there are co-ops in our area over the 20,000 acre mark.   More property the better.... but results are real and when the 1.5 year buck makes up 54%, 2.5 is 28% and 3.5 is 18% in NY obviously we have a ways to go.


 


These are 2011 numbers... most recent I have.  


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In one of my spots (not sure how much longer it will be available but anywho...) we have had an 8 point or outside the ears rule going for quite some time now. Most guys that hunt the area abide, but not all. Some monsters have been taken out of that area, and even more have been spotted. Our biggest issues are poaching, and the land is slowly but surely being carved up and sold off. In any case, if you can get the neighbors on board, go for it.

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try it, you'll soon find out who is on board and who isn't. informal gathering is best. just remember to try and get a consenous to what everyone wants. your ideas my not suit everyone and then resentment and resistance are very possible.

 

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big question... what size it the property (combined)

a couple square miles from one end of our propert to the other is a mile or so...

 

If the right people are involved it can work well. I know a small group of guys who combined own only about 300 acres here in the Rochester area. They're all early 50s now, but the sheer volume of bucks on the wall is nothing short of world-class impressive. They all share information and created one continuous hunting parcel for the group. Intense plotting, tsi, and bed creation, but also solid trigger control.

 

Just one of the guys alone has 7 P&Y from this property with another 20-25 in the 120-140 range (gross) that didn't net P&Y or were gun kills. 25+ 120" and up bucks in NY is nothing to shake a stick at. I haven't seen the remaining walls from the others involved, but I've chatted with them, and they said their walls are about the same in number and size.

 

The problem is, it doesn't work like this very often. People are messy...and matching minds is unlikely. Do your research before making such a venture.

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Didn't you say once that your neighbors were poachers? sorry if it wasn't you that said that

yes a few of them are... marked on map...

 

red squares=known

yellow=they dont live there really and it is pretty heavily poached...

blue=a few teenagers poach it some... (ive caught em coming on t my property...)

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Sounds to me like your coop should start by going after the poacher issue first. Worry about the rest once thats resolved. To heck with just catching or yelling at them, call the DEC or Sheriff.

SOunds like a great way to introduce the Co-op topic to the adjacent landowners. That could be common ground that gets it all started for you. Focus on locking it up tighter than a drum this year and make sure it is all posted legally. Make a few examples of the first trespasser/ poacher you see and word will get out.

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SOunds like a great way to introduce the Co-op topic to the adjacent landowners. That could be common ground that gets it all started for you. Focus on locking it up tighter than a drum this year and make sure it is all posted legally. Make a few examples of the first trespasser/ poacher you see and word will get out.

GOOD IDEA!!! im gonna have to talk to some neighbors about that

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