30-06

[Mr VJP]

Mr VJP He says a 308 is a bettet choice than a 30-06

 

 

I can't see why.  The .308 will not match the velocity of a max loaded .30-06, nor comparable factory rounds of the same bullet weight.  It won't handle the heavier 180, 200 and 220 grain bullets as well either.  It can be used in a short action though and some believe the myth that it is more accurate, even though the .30-06 was the 1000 yard champ for many years.

 

The .308 is a fine round, but not better than a .3006.

[ATbuckhunter]

I can't see why.  The .308 will not match the velocity of a max loaded .30-06, nor comparable factory rounds of the same bullet weight.  It won't handle the heavier 180, 200 and 220 grain bullets as well either.  It can be used in a short action though and some believe the myth that it is more accurate, even though the .30-06 was the 1000 yard champ for many years.

 

The .308 is a fine round, but not better than a .3006.

VJP is right. 308 is a great round but an 06 can do anything a .308 can do, but even better. 

[edbone]

Sweet

[jjb4900]

Mr VJP He says a 308 is a bettet choice than a 30-06

then it must be true..either one will do for NY or 99% of all North American game animals.

[bkln]

just get one already, you heard "the experts" :-) just do it.....

[bubba]

30-06 ammo is much easier to get than 308.  Not enough difference otherwise.  But get the 06

[Hock3y24]

There both great, there's plenty ammo for both where i live and I also can shoot 7.62 ammo when I find deals on it on my 308!

[Woodjr55]

Just got a ad from dicks in the mail you can pick up a savage axis for 235

[132 eight pointer]

Just got a ad from dicks in the mail you can pick up a savage axis for 235

 

Good deal, I put a link to ad on first page of this thread.

 

[RangerClay]

Another great feature of the 30-06 is your range of ammo choices.  The different styles and options are endless.

 

A wise old man once told me, "You can travel to the most remote backwoods locations and forget your ammo.  Everyone sells ott six ammo."

[Five Seasons]

I've never heard a single person say a .30-06 or anything around this caliber like .308 is bad for deer. Heck we've debated .223 and 300 win mag, but generally it all works haha.

 

Most of what I've read on 30-06 vs 308 wont apply to anyone on this board as the differences in balistics aren't noticable till you get 1000+ yards out. So at that point I think you have to go with the most available/cheapest ammo in your area.

 

Im guessing you were looking at the savage axis , my good friend bought the same one . It is a really nice shooting rifle . He bought the same combo with the scope. His scope failed at some point and ended up removing a does front leg during a hunt, he called me up afterwards ,basically sick to his stomach at the thought of wounding a deer in such a way . My suggestion would be to get the bare axis and buy a seperate scope that is a better quality. Another good thing about the axis is that it will shoot the remington core lokts which is a very affordable round.
 

 

the package deals are becoming more popular, but most of the scopes are junk. Most will say that you should spend more on your glass than your gun. There's a good deal on Leuopold VX-2's with a rebate now. I think a 3-9 is in the $300 range. With good care it should last you a real long time.
 

Edited August 19, 2014 by Belo

[Kujo48]

Great all purpose round

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[VT Outfitter]

I have had a few deer hunting clients that are fairly new to hunting, purchase a  Mossberg .06 from Dick's Sporting Goods for around $400. The Dicks Mossberg .06 proved to be very accurate out to the 100 yard mark. For the money, the Dick's .06 is a good hunting rifle that you wont get upset that you put a ding in the stock (scratches are character marks and maybe have a story). And like everyone has stated, .06 is a great hunting round capable of taking game up to the size of a Moose. If recoil is a issue, Simm's vibration makes a recoil pad that slips over the butt stock and works wonderful. Good luck to you.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

 If recoil is a issue, Simm's vibration makes a recoil pad that slips over the butt stock and works wonderful. Good luck to you.

And they have some very nice managed recoil rounds.

[thphm]

As a old die hard 30-06 shooter who has reloaded a 1000 plus 30-06 from 110 gr. to 220 gr. and shot them all agreed both will be goo for deer in new york.

I hate to say this but the .308 is more accurate then the 30-06, but as said above most of the hunters will never see the difference.

The 165 gr. horanady sst  is a good round for deer even at long distance And the 180 gr. nosler partition is good for Elk.

The do make a 220 grain for the .308  but what would you use it for in new york.

I found in my rifle( 30-06 )the 165 gr. shot the best and kocked down anything I shot at.

How the heck can a $235.00 rifle be that reliable, I have re barrled some of my rifles that a barrel blank cost more the that. 

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

As a old die hard 30-06 shooter who has reloaded a 1000 plus 30-06 from 110 gr. to 220 gr. and shot them all agreed both will be goo for deer in new york.

I hate to say this but the .308 is more accurate then the 30-06, but as said above most of the hunters will never see the difference.

 

I have heard this stated before and never get it. I don't understand how the 308 cartridge can be more accurate that .30-06 cartridge. I can get one gun being more accurate but not a caliber.

[pistolp71]

Lurking is correct. The .308 cartridge is inherently more accurate than a 30-06.

 

Culver, it is a fact that certain cartridges are more inherently accurate than others. Just like rifle calibers are more accurate than shotgun  There are a lot of factors. Case size, primer hole size, shoulder angle, neck size, etc. Everyone shoots a 6 ppc in benchrest for a reason.

[dbHunterNY]

It's all been said. 308 design able to shore more accuracy than 3006. That said you're not building a rifle and probably can't shoot that well to tell. talking a very slight difference. with tactical and ammo frenzy now 308 is hard to find and 3006 is on every shelf. I've got two 30-06 and no 308 and I'm not bothered in the slightest.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Lurking is correct. The .308 cartridge is inherently more accurate than a 30-06.

 

Culver, it is a fact that certain cartridges are more inherently accurate than others. Just like rifle calibers are more accurate than shotgun  There are a lot of factors. Case size, primer hole size, shoulder angle, neck size, etc. Everyone shoots a 6 ppc in benchrest for a reason.

Seem to recall the 6 an 6.5 are about split with the 30's at the 1,000 tables. I agree that they get the nod but we are talking about hunting rifles and specifically the 308/'06. the majority of which are pretty much out of the box. If any modifications have been done, it is likely to be mods like triggers. In our world the difference is not perceptible. IMO

[Mr VJP]

Like I stated earlier, the myth about .308 accuracy being better than the .30-06 still lives.

[Five Seasons]

Like I stated earlier, the myth about .308 accuracy being better than the .30-06 still lives.

 

I'm not sure it's a myth... there's several pretty good studies out there... even if it's a hair margin. The point I believe you're trying to make is that deer hunting from a blind or a stand in NY, it wont matter.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Belo

[thphm]

The .308 was tested by the US armed forces.There sharp shooters did the testing and I beleive the used Win. model 70's. back then.No the average GI.and his garand or whatever.They wanted a lighter in weight and size to be able to carry more ammo.It just worked out to be more accurate,again there sharp shooters did the testing.

Also Sniper Country and Accurate Shooters did testing with all available bullet weights and the .308 shined above the 30-06 again by seasoned benchrest and long distance shooters.

I sold both my .308 and 30-06 rifles but kept my reloading dies and soforth for them if I decide to go back. 

Either one will work fine in NY for deer .

[HuntOrBeHunted]

The right shot will take any animal you need it to. 180 grain to a bears heart and he's done !!

[Mr VJP]

The difference in accuracy between the .308 and the .30-06 has to do with the .308 rifle's short action being stiffer.  It helps accuracy.  When tests were done using anchored heavy test barrels without an action attached, that were equal in every respect except the chamber, accuracy was equal.  

 

However, the .30-06 had the long range advantage in velocity, drop, drift and energy because it can shoot heavier bullets at greater velocity due to it's ability to take more gunpowder with it's bigger case capacity, and those bullets will not slow down as fast at long distances.  That provides greater energy, less drift and flatter shooting at long range.

 

That is why military snipers eventually went to the .300 Win Mag for sniper rifles.  It has even more advantages than the .30-06 at long range.

 

[thphm]

The tests I spoke about were done with real rifles that could be carried from site to site, Not Rail Type Rifles that you would need a hand truck to move from place to place.

We are talking Hunting type rifles here. And as said by me and others either the .308 or 30-06  caliber will be just fine for hunting in NY .