Get your vaseline ready NY! Its here...

[NYBuckHunter27]

i do have to admit though, whenever a thread is posted about ARs or trophy hunting so many of you guys are like "cant eat the horns, and i'm a meat hunter" and all that, but look at you now, alot of you want the ability to shoot a buck now that's its been taking away from you. Before you guys could care less if a deer with horns even existed.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

i do have to admit though, whenever a thread is posted about ARs or trophy hunting so many of you guys are like "cant eat the horns, and i'm a meat hunter" and all that, but look at you now, alot of you want the ability to shoot a buck now that's its been taking away from you. Before you guys could care less if a deer with horns even existed.

I don't ever remember anyone every saying on here that it wouldn't be nice to take a big buck or at least have the opportunity to.

[Doc]

FWIW, I do know with good confidence that the submissions for comments had a majority of comments against the antlerless seasons. I do not know what % or how lopsided it was, but do know that the majority of comments were against the implementation.

And what are the odds that we will ever know those percentages? They'll be burying those stats as deep as they can.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I don't know what's worse, this or mandatory antler restrictions.....

 

Wait till they plop Mandatory ARs on top of it, you know, different types in the different buck zones they just established.

[Skillet]

i do have to admit though, whenever a thread is posted about ARs or trophy hunting so many of you guys are like "cant eat the horns, and i'm a meat hunter" and all that, but look at you now, alot of you want the ability to shoot a buck now that's its been taking away from you. Before you guys could care less if a deer with horns even existed.

It's not that meat hunters are out looking for a buck, the point is that this new rule takes away the freedom to shoot one if it came along. A lot of hunters really don't care about antlers, but don't tell them they can't fill the freezer because the deer that gave them an opportunity happened to be a buck.

[Doc]

still with the changes I'm sure you taking the time to comment are the hunting minority.

Wait a minute ..... This is the DEC we're talking about. All they have to do is have Cornell write them up some statistical nonsense and they can expand our few comments to apply the to the entire hunting community. It works on their deer management stats (within 2% I'm told.) ......lol.

[Doc]

This isn't on bowhunters or muzzleloaders shoulders. It's on the DEC with an agenda and they're not concerned with screwing over groups to get there. Yet they say doe population is the problem and they are enacting regs in the seasons of least effective tools to immediately make an impact. That's an agenda. If they really wanted doe levels down, they'd be going to gun hunters because that's where 100k DMPs were filled last year.

This comment is so on the mark that it deserves repeating:

"This isn't on bowhunters or muzzleloaders shoulders. It's on the DEC with an agenda and they're not concerned with screwing over groups to get there. Yet they say doe population is the problem and they are enacting regs in the seasons of least effective tools to immediately make an impact. That's an agenda. If they really wanted doe levels down, they'd be going to gun hunters because that's where 100k DMPs were filled last year."

[Doc]

Because of these changes that really do impact those affected and are already changing the way hunts are planned, tools used, licenses being purchased, etc ...

 

My question is - Will these changes make you consider hunting out of state or expanding a scheduled out of state hunt?

No. It is time to resurrect my boyhood hunting activity of squirrel hunting and let the DEC eat my bowhunting license. I've had it with their little war on bowhunters. All this screwing around with bow seasons has finally taken it's toll. I'm tired of fighting every attack on the season. I'm tired of constantly writing this and phoning that, begging for a little time to enjoy something that I have enjoyed for over a half century without the current constant DEC harassment.  We have a neutered state bowhunting organization that has been completely gutted, and we have the people in power in the DEC to exercise their will to harass bowhunters. It's time for the old guy to dig out the .22 and raise hell with the squirrels this fall. 

[dbHunterNY]

Wait a minute ..... This is the DEC we're talking about. All they have to do is have Cornell write them up some statistical nonsense and they can expand our few comments to apply the to the entire hunting community. It works on their deer management stats (within 2% I'm told.) ......lol.

 

na.... they don't value your opinion as much as someone's at Cornell.  extrapolation of what you say doesn't work for them.  they'd rather just tell you what to fill and you do as you're told. lol

Edited August 5, 2015 by dbHunterNY

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Can't you say the same thing if bucks were legal on October 1?  Will the guy who is at his hunting spot on September 30 have any better restraint if he happens to see that big buck?   Look, we all know what goes on in hunting, but you guys are killing me with these innuendos of the illegal activities that you surely think will happen because of this new doe only law.  Just because we don't like this rule, doesn't mean we now need to resort to illegal activities.  I've heard this saying that those who think that everyone else is a crook are probably crooks themselves.  Kind of fits some of the comments on this thread.  Those who say others will resort to killing bucks on October 13, might probably be the ones who would do it themselves also if the opportunity presented itself.  Not accusing you of anything here, Belo, you seem like a decent, reasonable sort, but just making a point.

Well just because some of us state the obvious that doe not make us a crook also!    But ya just never know!!!

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I don't ever remember anyone every saying on here that it wouldn't be nice to take a big buck or at least have the opportunity to.

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

[dbHunterNY]

I was in agreement with you Phade until you called me a "Whacko" for owning a TC.  All bets off now.

 

apparently I'm apart of a club and didn't even know.  if I down grade my scope, ditch the easy loading power rod, and JB weld the 1/4 turn breech plug will I get my sanity back?  I've had thoughts of a spot I region 8 that I wanted to go back to and hunt with it.

[dbHunterNY]

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

 

a small portion of your sole has to be lovin' the heck out of this uproar right now.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

I guess I have always taken them to mean that their success isn't about he rack but having no option to take a buck seems pretty shitty. For me I enjoy the season even if a buck I want never appears within range. But it sure keeps it more interesting knowing that any minute one could.

[steve863]

a small portion of your sole has to be lovin' the heck out of this uproar right now.

 

 

How fitting that you mistakenly spelled soul as "sole" in describing Four Seasons soul.  LOL

[Culvercreek hunt club]

How fitting that you mistakenly spelled soul as "sole" in describing Four Seasons soul.  LOL

I thought he meant Fourseasons had a tickle on his foot.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I guess I have always taken them to mean that their success isn't about he rack but having no option to take a buck seems pretty shitty. For me I enjoy the season even if a buck I want never appears within range. But it sure keeps it more interesting knowing that any minute one could.

Oh i agree but a post was put up not to long ago about what of a deer makes you pull the trigger and i believe myself and Antler were the only ones that said antlers make or break why a deer gets shot. The rest were the Blah,Blah, Good times, Meat, Time,Blah Blah. So one would think you would hear no bitching from those that did not use any antlers as a reason to hunt.  Except now its the LAW and we have 10 pages of Bitching!  Love It!

Edited August 5, 2015 by Four Season Whitetails

[steve863]

I thought he meant Fourseasons had a tickle on his foot.

 

 

Or maybe he stepped on a shed antler of one of his pen raised deer.  That could have done a number  on the "sole" of his foot.  Probably required an emergency room visit.  LOL

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Or maybe he stepped on a shed antler of one of his pen raised deer.  That could have done a number  on the "sole" of his foot.  Probably required an emergency room visit.  LOL

Kinda hard not to see those 200 inch sheds!  They shine like silver dollars$

[moog5050]

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

 

I, for one, want a crack at a nice mature buck.  But, more importantly, I value the choice and will give high fives to anyone that is happy about a spike.  In addition to not being narrowly tailored to fit the goal of doe reduction (whatever that specific, unstated goal may be), this rule change eliminates choice for a period of time.  Thus, even some meat hunters may find it unpalatable.  I know I would even if I didn't care about rack size.  

[Doc]

a small portion of your sole has to be lovin' the heck out of this uproar right now.

Yeah, I think it has always been obvious what was meant regarding the difference between appreciation of a good rack vs. using it as the only measure of success and satisfaction. And of course the current uproar is obviously about the point that deer hunting is a 2-gender hunt, and odds of a kill have just been depleted arbitrarily by the DEC in their little campaign against bowhunters. Don't be confusing that with an idea that all bowhunters are suddenly, or ever were, trophy hunters.

[moog5050]

Oh i agree but a post was put up not to long ago about what of a deer makes you pull the trigger and i believe myself and Antler were the only ones that said antlers make or break why a deer gets shot. The rest were the Blah,Blah, Good times, Meat, Time,Blah Blah. So one would think you would hear no bitching from those that did not use any antlers as a reason to hunt.  Except now its the LAW and we have 10 pages of Bitching!  Love It!

 

Not true FSW.

[steve863]

Kinda hard not to see those 200 inch sheds!  They shine like silver dollars$

 

 

Yeah, we've heard it all from you before.  It's all about the antlers and the $$.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Not true FSW.

Oh did i miss someone?  The thread is still up and most say they care less about antlers so whats the problem?  Now its Law..That Sucks BUT it should change nothing in those hunters days afield. They were not there for antlers to begin with and they will get no antlers now.

[growalot]

 

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

 

What bothers me is the choice being taken from me, chances are I wouldn't see a "shooter buck"...my records show it's unlikely, but that's not the point! What bothers me most is the distinct feeling of being blackmailed...that I will not stand for period.