EAB Proposed

[Nomad]

Black visa ? I'm Good to,go !

Edited May 24, 2016 by Larry302

[Marion]

Black visa ? I'm Good to,go !

Sorry but the black card is Amex

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[Doc]

IT WAS JUST A JOKE TO GET PEOPLE FIRED UP LOL

EAB is still a very popular proposal that always seems to come up when talking about harvesting more does. So regardless of the problems with this thread, EAB is still a viable topic of conversation and debate. It doesn't matter how the subject came up, it is a very interesting topic, and it is good to have a periodic re-hash to refresh the pros and cons.

[LET EM GROW]

Of course, I only stated that it was a joke, because I was looking at the same picture of a document as phade was..

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[Marion]

I usually shoot a doe first anyways then donate the meat. Always donate my first deer of the season regardless in the hopes that it will bring me more luck for more deer later in the season. At the worst case at least I am able to help out some people in need with some delicious meat

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[Larry]

 

 

 

This is what the Dec is purposing: Proposal to Rescind an Antlerless-only Requirement for Several Wildlife Management Units (WMUs)DEC proposes to rescind the antlerless-only requirement for portions of the bow and muzzleloader seasons in WMUs 1C, 3M, 3S, 4J, 8A, 8C, 8F, 8G, 8H, 8N, 9A, and 9F, again allowing take of antlered and antlerless deer during the entire bow and muzzleloader seasons in these units. In these WMUs, deer populations are above desired levels, and the antlerless-only rule was implemented in 2015 as part of a multi-phase process to increase antlerless harvest. However, reported harvest of female deer did not differ substantially between the WMUs with the antlerless-only periods and nearby WMUs without the rule, nor did the antlerless-only periods increase reported female take as desired.

"We are optimistic that hunters will embrace their role in reducing deer numbers in these areas for the benefit of local residents and habitats," Seggos said. "Over the next year we will be exploring options for hunters to increase their take of antlerless deer where needed and to engage more purposefully in our management processes."

[Larry]

sorry about the lines

[gjs4]

The implementation of eab approach is about as truthful as the dec big game biologists having a handle on census or management of whitetails in this state.

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[growalot]

Explore options to increase doe take? Just give us the doe tags when we want to use then..Nov.1st is not when I want the extra tags...give them to me on the first and I will attempt to use it...Before I've gotten tired or gone into the rut when most deer are running past me being chased 30 mph....eye roll

[Larry]

For those WMU’s that need to increase doe harvest it’s an ACCESS ISSUE plain and simple. It doesn’t matter how many DMP’s they give out you can’t kill them if you can’t get to them.

[Doc]

If there are WMUs that have deer crawling all over each other, just drop the requirement for doe tags. I mean, what's with all these bogus plans and schemes. Just declare open season on does. No bag limit. You'll see the herd reduced in a hurry, and then everybody will be happy.

[growalot]

until the following season or two....

[turkeyfeathers]

Black visa ? I'm Good to,go !

Larry, can I see the rest of the #'s please? I have another tab open to Cabela's and just need a few things. Thank you in advance.

[wolc123]

Make the x-bow legal at the start of archery season and the antlerless population could likely be brought under control by hunters in one season in those over-run zones.  I could have filled 4 tags with one in 9F last year, but they had all gone nocturnal by the last two weeks when x-bow opened up. 

 

We have the tools, but they won't let us use them at the right time.  The state politicians still have a couple more days left in session to enact "full inclusion".   My guess is they won't do it and population control this year will again be left mainly to the motorists and coyotes.  Fortunately my new car is light weight and has great brakes. Had I been driving my old pickup, I would have taken out a doe this morning on the way to work.  Drive careful folks, especially when traveling in these zones where the DEC has been struggling.  Maybe give a few last minute calls to your reps to get this thing (x-bow full inclusion) passed.

[phade]

Legalizing the crossbow will cause the populations in these wmus to be in check? It does nothing to solve property access. Not one thing.

The very basic thought process to rationalize that reasoning is probably the same that caused you to shoot a deer at a distance longer than you practiced with your crossbow and then post about it a billion times like it was destiny and perfectly acceptable. Scary.

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Edited June 14, 2016 by phade

[landtracdeerhunter]

Their are " legal ways" to draw deer off posted properties.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Explore options to increase doe take? Just give us the doe tags when we want to use then..Nov.1st is not when I want the extra tags...give them to me on the first and I will attempt to use it...Before I've gotten tired or gone into the rut when most deer are running past me being chased 30 mph....eye roll

 

The DEC sure has a real problem on their hands, that at this point no cure for.

[dbHunterNY]

for the special season in the Deer Management Area surrounding Ithaca some hunters took over 10 doe each but many others 1 or none.

 

in areas that need more adult doe taken, giving more tags out to the masses hasn't proved that it works well enough.  need to make tags available to those who fill them.  over the counter would probably be good with their current licensing system.

[Doc]

for the special season in the Deer Management Area surrounding Ithaca some hunters took over 10 doe each but many others 1 or none.

 

in areas that need more adult doe taken, giving more tags out to the masses hasn't proved that it works well enough.  need to make tags available to those who fill them.  over the counter would probably be good with their current licensing system.

Sure, make tags easy to get, as many as you want, and none of this charging for them if they are really serious about having a problem. There is a serious credibility problem when they continue to throw up road blocks to getting permits. The fact is if they have some serious areas that are a real problem, make the permits something you can copy off the internet. That is something that might even get some of the landowners who have their property locked up starting to get with the doe harvesting solution. That would not necessarily be the total solution, but it would be a couple of steps in the right direction. And for cripes sake, make it good for gun season where results can actually be expected. This playing around with bow season only is just a goofy half-hearted lip service (window dressing) to the problem. Is there a problem or not? Are they really looking for a solution or not? If so, act like it.

 

Look, when farmers have a problem with deer numbers, they don't play games with bow season. They accept the problem and they aggressively go at it with firearm nuisance permits. I assume they get results too. They don't say, "This is a problem that only bowhunters must solve." They go after it in a credible way (whether we like it or not) and reduce problem populations as though they really have serious intentions of doing so.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Doc

[growalot]

Here's a thought...since they are charging some people for the doe tags...all mine are free( LT)...then have them buy the tags as usual for those "over whelmed" areas. Then when they turn in a doe, actual proof of each doe then give them back their money....Some guys that are too cheep to buy the tags may then...I'm sure there are plenty of guys too cheap to buy and have a freezer full of doe...it won't stop them but it might increase the honest hunters doe take...Also improve the harvest info we all want.

Edited June 14, 2016 by growalot

[Doc]

Here's a thought...since they are charging some people for the doe tags...all mine are free( LT)...then have them buy the tags as usual for those "over whelmed" areas. Then when they turn in a doe, actual proof of each doe then give them back their money....Some guys that are too cheep to buy the tags may then...I'm sure there are plenty of guys too cheap to buy and have a freezer full of doe...it won't stop them but it might increase the honest hunters doe take...Also improve the harvest info we all want.

Actually, there is no reason to be charging hunters for something you need them to do. It just doesn't make sense. If you want to discourage a behavior, tax it. That's kind of a time tested government tactic. Why they want to apply that tactic to taking does, is a mystery to me.

 

[landtracdeerhunter]

Actually, there is no reason to be charging hunters for something you need them to do. It just doesn't make sense. If you want to discourage a behavior, tax it. That's kind of a time tested government tactic. Why they want to apply that tactic to taking does, is a mystery to me.

 

The government could call grows idea a surcharge. Keep the money and hand out lolly pops to the successful hunters. LOL.

[growalot]

The thing about that plan is...they ALREADY have the fee in place. Your not going to see them rescind such a fee state wide without a lot of kicking and screaming ,as it were. Though they may consider a return of fees,your lollipop landtract,in the "over run " areas. At least it an idea I could see them consider.
I still say just give us hunters in these areas the tags earlier.How many years now have they handed out those 2 extra tags for ,at least 8n area I hunt, on Nov1...wake up..... just give them out Oct 1 already. That way I and I know, a whole lot of other hunters can get them cut up fast and to Wilsons early before the rush and get our sausage back before gun season...

Edited June 15, 2016 by growalot

[Doc]

The thing about that plan is...they ALREADY have the fee in place. Your not going to see them rescind such a fee state wide without a lot of kicking and screaming ,as it were. Though they may consider a return of fees,your lollipop landtract,in the "over run " areas. At least it an idea I could see them consider.

I still say just give us hunters in these areas the tags earlier.How many years now have they handed out those 2 extra tags for ,at least 8n area I hunt, on Nov1...wake up..... just give them out Oct 1 already. That way I and I know, a whole lot of other hunters can get them cut up fast and to Wilsons early before the rush and get our sausage back before gun season...

As I recall, there was a fee back in the olden days for the party permits, and that did get dropped with no particular problem  when  they went to individual antlerless deer permits. But it sure is ridiculous to add on a fee and then out the other side of their mouths they start whining about not being able to get hunters to take them. As I said, the government has learned that if they want to stop or discourage an activity, just tax it. That's fine but don't turn around and cry about how they can't get hunters to shoot does.

 

By the way, issuing the tags up front (oct 1st) is a good idea as well. See, they really haven't put a whole lot of thought into solutions for what they are calling a problem. Instead, they continue to come up with bogus schemes for cramming firearms into bow seasons. That's their real motive. I am sure that  if they wanted to, they could figure out ways to darn-near eliminate almost all the deer if they had to without resorting to goofy doe only harvests in bow season and other hair-brained schemes.

Edited June 15, 2016 by Doc

[growalot]

You got be old Doc...or I'm old enough to have forgotten the party permit charge....The again... I let the guys get that and I was just an attachment...Took me a while to get my first deer...lol...Then I started bow hunting...turned me into a killing machine ...so the guys say...lol

Edited June 15, 2016 by growalot