Really cool oddball buck!

[WNY Bowhunter]

My cousin sent me theses pics today. Don't think that I've ever seen a deer quite like this guy. He appears to be at least 3.5...I'd tag him in a heartbeat. Thankfully, he won't be breeding any does on property that I hunt...

[NYBowhunter]

That deer seems very long, big body.

[turkeyfeathers]

That's a big ole boy. Neat rack


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[chrisw]

That is huge bodied buck! I'd love to shoot that thing!

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[BizCT]

I love nontypicals


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[Cabin Fever]

That is one cool looking buck! I'd love to see a front on pic of him! God, the body on that beast!!

[doebuck1234]

U aint kiddin.he is a biggun.cool lookin rack too!

[Water Rat]

There's a lot of meat on that boy. His body makes his legs look like stilts .Hope we see pics by the end of the season.

[genesee_mohican]

That's a stocky mature buck. I'd like to see one like that try to walk by me.

[Buckstopshere]

In areas of NY where there are mandatory antler restrictions, that buck would be an illegal buck to shoot.   He would die of old age in Pa. and breed...and breed...and breed.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Buckstopshere

[Curmudgeon]

I'm wondering if the apparent length of his body is distorted by the camera. I have a lot of photos of moving animals that are distorted. That said, it is one weird animal.

[LET EM GROW]

Id tag him in a heart beat too!

[dbHunterNY]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 8:22 AM, Buckstopshere said:

In areas of NY where there are mandatory antler restrictions, that buck would be an illegal buck to shoot.   He would die of old age in Pa. and breed...and breed...and breed.

....and all you'd know for sure is that he'd be passing on big bodied genetics.  for all you know he could have injured pedicles or even injured soft antler early in growth.  the later being the case he'd most likely have sizeable rack at that age given that area.  not as common but have seen before where a younger buck breaks both antler beams off with splitting down into the pedicle.  even if he had bad antler genes as you elude him to have, his spread genetics would as much impact as a drop in a swimming pool.

[Pygmy]

He's a brute...

[Buckstopshere]

5 hours ago, dbHunterNY said:

....and all you'd know for sure is that he'd be passing on big bodied genetics.  for all you know he could have injured pedicles or even injured soft antler early in growth.  the later being the case he'd most likely have sizeable rack at that age given that area.  not as common but have seen before where a younger buck breaks both antler beams off with splitting down into the pedicle.  even if he had bad antler genes as you elude him to have, his spread genetics would as much impact as a drop in a swimming pool.

It blows my mind that we have been able to breed field trial English Setters from essentially Cocker Spaniels that can outrun hound dogs, or take the example of the pugs, or whatever weird dog breed, but they all come from wolves. My point is that selective breeding for a trait is pretty much a proven fact. So what you call, "a drop in the bucket" is just another case of what we used to call bad breeding. Wouldn't you admit that High Grading is a pretty much a fact?

[Curmudgeon]

Maybe I'm an outlier here but I think that trying to manipulate the gene pool for big antlers is weird, self-serving in an odd way, and contrary to natural selection.

[dbHunterNY]

On ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 9:11 PM, Buckstopshere said:

It blows my mind that we have been able to breed field trial English Setters from essentially Cocker Spaniels that can outrun hound dogs, or take the example of the pugs, or whatever weird dog breed, but they all come from wolves. My point is that selective breeding for a trait is pretty much a proven fact. So what you call, "a drop in the bucket" is just another case of what we used to call bad breeding. Wouldn't you admit that High Grading is a pretty much a fact?

don't want to high jack this thread but selective dog breeding is more controlled and comparable to high fence deer operations than free ranging whitetails.  results deer breeders get are equally incredible too.  half genetics are coming from doe.  can't look at a wild doe and tell what kind of antler genetics it's carrying.  also you're always having an influx of unknown genetics from borders with different harvest requirements.  you have spots that aren't accessible to hunters, both due to geography and privilege, that will protect "scrub antlered bucks".  well known ranches down in texas, under the most intensive trophy management of free range deer you can have, say it takes them around a couple decades to see any noticeable increase in average antler size when looking at harvest data on paper.  high grading is real but can be minimized to the point it's negligible or basically non existent.  well thought out based on harvest data is the way to develop them, including evolving them for an area if need be like most states with them are doing.
people grow divided and don't accept a QDM tool once someone tries to use it for TDM (growing trophies based on inches).  I don't know of many hunters who'd be at a loss due to antlers taking a 6.5 yr old, 200+lb, "scrub antlered" buck.  they'd probably just think of it as a gnarly old cool buck, a trophy in it's own right.