Crossbow Updates

[shu9265]

Here is the latest  update on crossbow use here in NY.

Please take notice, that crossbows are NOT mentioned for use by disabled hunters.

Please contact DEC at there web site and leave your comments that disabled hunters should be allowed this valuable tool.

See attached.

crossbowform.pdf

[WNYBuckHunter]

Nothing new. Disabled hunters can use the crossbow all they want during the regular season. This is just how it is for the next couple of years, then they will end up expanding its use to the archery season. Im not sure what that word document you added is all about, the legislation is not newly proposed, it was passed months ago.

[shu9265]

  It basically states that disabled hunters can use a "draw lock" type devise with longbows.

It does not address cross bows at all in reguard to disabled hunters.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Didnt the original crossbow legislation that was passed already allow the use of a draw loc or other similar equipment for disabled hunters without a special permit? I could have sworn that was part of it.

If you read the DEC's crossbow FAQs on their website, it specifically says that disabled hunters cannot use a crossbow during bow season.

[fasteddie]

The "Update" post didn't look like anything new ..........

[shu9265]

I maybe missing the whole point of this release from DEC.

But, there was a different piece of legislation that dealt with the use of crossbows by persons with disabilities.

Yet, in this release there is no mention of use of crossbow by disabled hunters.

I guess that time will tell.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I remember there being a proposal for crossbow use for the disabled, that would have been an add on for the already passed legislation that you are talking about, but I havent heard anything new about it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Here it is, hasnt been voted on or made any progress from the looks of it.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A00469&term=&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

[shu9265]

Here it is, hasnt been voted on or made any progress from the looks of it.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A00469&term=&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

Thank You

[WNYBuckHunter]

Here it is, hasnt been voted on or made any progress from the looks of it.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A00469&term=&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

Thank You

Youre Welcome 

[biggamefish]

The cerificate thing is a joke.  Why even bother other than if you don't have it it is a ticket they can write.  I don't have a problem with the crossbows other than if they do allowed into archery season they have to have open sights they cant use scopes like all the new ones have. 

[G-Man]

  Latest from the dec 5 year management proposal...i would expect them to allow xbow in bow season no later than 2012......                                                DEC supports the use of crossbows for hunting during all seasons in which other bowhunting equipment is allowed. The crossbow hunting law enacted in 2010 does not address deer management needs, nor is it consistent with hunter preferences. Deer populations in some portions of the state, particularly where access or firearm use is restricted, may cause serious impacts on forest regeneration, biodiversity protection, and public health. Crossbows are one additional tool to help DEC manage deer populations. Further, allowing crossbows to be used by hunters with physical disabilities – as well as family members with whom they enjoy spending their outdoor experience – will allow them to continue hunting. This is consistent with DEC’s interests in connecting New Yorkers with nature.

A majority of New York deer hunters (including a majority of bowhunters) support legalization of crossbows, particularly for seniors (68%) and hunters with disabilities (78%) but also for all hunters during seasons when other bowhunting equipment is allowed (51%, Enck et al. 2011). Whereas, only NYS Deer Management Plan Page 51   19% of hunters believe crossbow use should be limited to the regular firearms season, as the current law authorizes. DEC supports the use of crossbows during any hunting season in which other bowhunting equipment is allowed and recommends that eligibility to hunt with a crossbow be the same as eligibility to hunt with a vertical bow.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

The cerificate thing is a joke.  Why even bother other than if you don't have it it is a ticket they can write.  I don't have a problem with the crossbows other than if they do allowed into archery season they have to have open sights they cant use scopes like all the new ones have.

Are you saying the proposal says no magnificaton on the sights or that is your preference?

[WNYBuckHunter]

The cerificate thing is a joke.  Why even bother other than if you don't have it it is a ticket they can write.  I don't have a problem with the crossbows other than if they do allowed into archery season they have to have open sights they cant use scopes like all the new ones have.

Are you saying the proposal says no magnificaton on the sights or that is your preference?

Thats his preference, the proposal makes no mention of limiting scopes or sights on crossbows, and DEC has not shown any support for any such thing.

[Larry]

i would look at the new NY outdoor news it looks like in 2012 they will loosen up the handy cap reg.

[WNYBuckHunter]

i would look at the new NY outdoor news it looks like in 2012 they will loosen up the handy cap reg.

I just read that. After Dec 31 2012, the current law will be out and the permanent regs will be going into place. My money is on the DEC making them legal for anyone in all open deer seasons, archery included. After all, according to the DEC, crossbows are bowhunting equipment.

[bubba]

I know you all realize this, but the original cross bow was used before the long bow, which actually makes it more primitive.  Granted it has evolved since then into a more modern user friendly cross BOW, but so has the long bow.  Funny no one thinks of a compound with let off and sites as unfair, but something new comes along and poof it is newfanfled and unfair.  It will not give any hunter an advantage as far as distance or killing power. Wanna try real archery, get a recurve and shoot instinct and then tell me a compound is no avantage.  You may as well get used to it, the cross bow will be used in archery season soon, like it or not.  I personally dont like it, but I dont like compounds either

[nyantler]

I know you all realize this, but the original cross bow was used before the long bow, which actually makes it more primitive.  Granted it has evolved since then into a more modern user friendly cross BOW, but so has the long bow.  Funny no one thinks of a compound with let off and sites as unfair, but something new comes along and poof it is newfanfled and unfair.  It will not give any hunter an advantage as far as distance or killing power. Wanna try real archery, get a recurve and shoot instinct and then tell me a compound is no avantage.  You may as well get used to it, the cross bow will be used in archery season soon, like it or not.  I personally dont like it, but I dont like compounds either

OMG.. You don't dare say you don't like something on this site... now you'll have all the compound hunters jumping down your throat.

[Chevy]

I know you all realize this, but the original cross bow was used before the long bow, which actually makes it more primitive.  Granted it has evolved since then into a more modern user friendly cross BOW, but so has the long bow.  Funny no one thinks of a compound with let off and sites as unfair, but something new comes along and poof it is newfanfled and unfair.  It will not give any hunter an advantage as far as distance or killing power. Wanna try real archery, get a recurve and shoot instinct and then tell me a compound is no avantage.  You may as well get used to it, the cross bow will be used in archery season soon, like it or not.  I personally dont like it, but I dont like compounds either

Then why wasn't the crossbow included when the archery season was first originated? Let me give you a hint, because it is not archery equipment. It is akin to a gun. We haven't needed it in archery season for all this time and we don't need it now in my opinon.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

The DEC views it as archery equipment based on thier 5 year proposal

[fasteddie]

Some Aechery and CrossBow history

http://www.centenaryarchers.gil.com.au/history.htm

[sits in trees]

OK i'm ready, in the spirit of freedom and the American way(july 4) i'm ready to fight. i beleive we as FREE Americans have the right to choose what weapon we want to hunt with and should never be denied by tyrannical, socialist elittists who want to decide for others how and what they hunt with, COMMIE FREAKS DIE!!!! Crossbows for all!

[Chevy]

If there was no such thing as hunting "seasons" I would agree with you. However, it's not a free for all.

[bubba]

compound bows were not allowed in the original archery seasons either, now they are.  neither were inline muzzleloaders, scopes on mlers. Only patched round balls and flint or #11 caps.  So what is you point?  things change get used to it.

[Chevy]

My point is that compounds and the like were added to seasons because they fit into that season. Crossbows have been around since the stone age and were not included in archery season because it is not archery equipment. They are only being considered now because of $$$.