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Anyone wondering why they took the video down should start to accept the fact you are being manipulated by the government and it's media lapdogs.  

This is happening all the time to info that the left cannot control or refute.  The first rule of leftism is control the flow of information!

This crap sickens me.  That video was pure truth from and expert and they took it down!  

And if you think you can trust anything you hear from the left, consider this.

Joe Biden's CDC has some serious egg on its face. The agency was forced to update its COVID-19 tracker for Florida after having drastically overstated the state's infection numbers.

Don't mess with Florida, the Sunshine State's health department seemed to be saying to the increasing political CDC after it took to Twitter to publicly appeal for a correction.

The CDC had initially reported 28,317 Florida cases on Sunday, but later revised that to 19,584 — and the Florida health department says it was 15,319.

"Wrong again," the Florida Department of Health tweeted in response to an inaccurate story in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "The number of cases CDCgov released for Florida today is incorrect. They combined MULTIPLE days into one. We anticipate CDC will correct the record."

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On 8/11/2021 at 12:42 PM, Moho81 said:

@knehrke sorry for dragging you into this thread but I do value your opinion on the matter of this virus. Any thoughts? 

Sorry for the late response. I'm in Alaska with zero connectivity most of the time, out in the wilds climbing and fishing. I can't see the video, so have no idea what this thread references. I'm going to assume that some doctor said something that challenged dogma regarding COVID.

It's always good to challenge dogma. But there are lots of doctors out there that have forgotten most of what they ever knew about molecular biology, virology, or whatnot. Like most of us, unless you keep current, it's use it or lose it. 

So, to quote one of my favorite sayings, "trust...but verify"

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4 minutes ago, knehrke said:

Sorry for the late response. I'm in Alaska with zero connectivity most of the time, out in the wilds climbing and fishing. I can't see the video, so have no idea what this thread references. I'm going to assume that some doctor said something that challenged dogma regarding COVID.

It's always good to challenge dogma. But there are lots of doctors out there that have forgotten most of what they ever knew about molecular biology, virology, or whatnot. Like most of us, unless you keep current, it's use it or lose it. 

So, to quote one of my favorite sayings, "trust...but verify"

You need to watch the video first.

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Okay, I managed to get a connection to watch the video. Lots of fast talking and words that sound like science. But you can always find published evidence to support controversial positions. That means nothing. It's weighing competing evidence for rigor and reproducibility that differentiates the scientific method. Doctors can cherry-pick as easily as anybody.

I don't disagree with some of what he said. Vaccines don't prevent infection. But heck, antibiotics don't prevent infection either. In general, modern medicine is reactive rather than prophylactic. And antibody dependent enhancement is a real thing that's being monitored closely with the COVID vaccines, but thus far has not been a factor for concern. Vaccines have great value in reducing transmission rates and disease severity, and that's where he seems to be at odds with the consensus, but there is always room for improving our understanding of systems physiology. It seems to me like he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater though.

I will point out with respect to animal reservoirs that the Black Plague still exists in rodents, but somehow we manage to survive. Not all animal reservoirs are relevant. Ferrets can get COVID. I don't know whether they can spread it to humans. But I don't interact with ferrets much. I don't know the complete species profile, so I'll refrain from making further commentary.

Time to hike. In short, I think that the doctor's opinion is not quite as clear cut as he'd have you believe...sorry for my rambling this morning. It's been a long, wet week with another on the way.

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24 minutes ago, knehrke said:

Okay, I managed to get a connection to watch the video. Lots of fast talking and words that sound like science. But you can always find published evidence to support controversial positions. That means nothing. It's weighing competing evidence for rigor and reproducibility that differentiates the scientific method. Doctors can cherry-pick as easily as anybody.

I don't disagree with some of what he said. Vaccines don't prevent infection. But heck, antibiotics don't prevent infection either. In general, modern medicine is reactive rather than prophylactic. And antibody dependent enhancement is a real thing that's being monitored closely with the COVID vaccines, but thus far has not been a factor for concern. Vaccines have great value in reducing transmission rates and disease severity, and that's where he seems to be at odds with the consensus, but there is always room for improving our understanding of systems physiology. It seems to me like he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater though.

I will point out with respect to animal reservoirs that the Black Plague still exists in rodents, but somehow we manage to survive. Not all animal reservoirs are relevant. Ferrets can get COVID. I don't know whether they can spread it to humans. But I don't interact with ferrets much. I don't know the complete species profile, so I'll refrain from making further commentary.

Time to hike. In short, I think that the doctor's opinion is not quite as clear cut as he'd have you believe...sorry for my rambling this morning. It's been a long, wet week with another on the way.

Well now I feel really bad for pulling you into this while you are on vacation. Thank you for the response and I hope the weather changed for the better. 

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1 hour ago, knehrke said:

I will point out with respect to animal reservoirs that the Black Plague still exists in rodents, but somehow we manage to survive. Not all animal reservoirs are relevant.

It does, but the Black Plague is bacterial in nature ,not viral ; that should make a difference I would think in terms of transmission. Theres actually a theory out there that the Black Death was NOT caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis but rather, was caused by some unknown virus.  Not saying I subscribe to this theory, just found it interesting. Also, Forgive my ignorance, but do they have vaccines for bacterial scourges for prophylactic use or just recative as in antibitoics? Thanks :)

 

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Good point - absolutely differences in transmission (I know that we never touch dead prairie dogs after a round of shooting out west). I'd never heard the viral theory for Black Plague before, but I'm going to read about it when I have a chance. As for bacterial vaccines, there are a few, but this isn't my area of expertise. I think maybe diptheria? And I recall that they can use killed bacteria, but that would seem to be dicey to me, since LPS or lipopolysaccharide is a component of bacterial cell walls used to induce inflammation in the absence of infection in many classic models. 

No worries on pulling me away from the mountains of Alaska. The body can only take so much lol.

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2 hours ago, knehrke said:

Good point - absolutely differences in transmission (I know that we never touch dead prairie dogs after a round of shooting out west). I'd never heard the viral theory for Black Plague before, but I'm going to read about it when I have a chance. As for bacterial vaccines, there are a few, but this isn't my area of expertise. I think maybe diptheria? And I recall that they can use killed bacteria, but that would seem to be dicey to me, since LPS or lipopolysaccharide is a component of bacterial cell walls used to induce inflammation in the absence of infection in many classic models. 

No worries on pulling me away from the mountains of Alaska. The body can only take so much lol.

Ok , Thank you for that , Sir and if you don’t mind , I have 1 more question: would you consider a viral plague to potentially , be more contagious and transmissible or a bacterial - or , does it vary due to other mitigating factors? I would think viral , right ? 

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Sorry, been off the grid for the past four days. I don't have any authority whatsoever to be able to address your question, unfortunately, being a gene jockey by trade rather than an infectious diseases guy. I know just enough to be dangerous lol. Good question though - anybody have an answer?

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