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Back when I was young, dumb, and full of piss and vinegar ( I am no longer young, nor full of P/V) I used to enjoy following blood trails... Then, over the years, I followed a number that did not result in a recovered deer, due to weather, clotting, or whatever reason. A few were deer that I had hit, and many times I was helping friends and hunting partners track thier deer. Nowadays, I only like to follow ONE kind of blood trail.. Wide, short, and with a dead deer at the end !

the winter will be much more predictable around the first of may 2013

lots of fat means there eating well

Just wondering ....aside from paying 5 dollars a pack for special gum.... .anyone have and good breath cover up ? I would bet most of the time when we tell our stories and we are baffled they smelled us (because we have carbon and cover scent and doe pee) its your breath......how do we fix coffee breath...I know....don't drink coffee...haha

Just picked up some steel shot at Dick's Sporting Goods and I was required to show a valid ID and the cashier put my iD into their computer system. Is this normal? Never in 32 years have I ever had to do this.

Randy wakeman is a joke. He only runs down a gun when the company will not pay him to endorse it. It the past there were some concerns with CVA muzzleloaders years ago. There was two years that were bad. They were all recalled and destroyed. Randy Wakeman used to praise savage smokeless and T/C until the stopped paying him to do so. Then he dissed their products too. You have nothing to worry about buying a cva today.

Elmo, A muzzle loader is different than your shotguns or your rifles but the safety steps are easy and common sense.treated with respect you won't hav an issue. Bubba made an excellent suggestion in hooking up with someone to show you the ropes. I think you would be fine with any modern major manufacturer. just like other guns there can be plusses and minuses but at normal hunting distances these ML's will perform better than we do...lol.. Cleaning after use is different than a modern firearm but is not difficult. I would suggest to a beginner to get an inline sice the cleaning is easier to verify and easier to unload. IMO

Hell its amazing I could hit a 25 cent piece at 30 yards but when a deer is 10 yards away my pin looks the size of a a softball and the deer turns into the size of a squirrel.

One we used in Syracuse and one in Rochester was free of charge if you donated. We never got the keep the backstraps though. I have never heard of a charge to donate.

I have seen 65-90, De-boned and freezer wrapped. (not vacuum sealing). If you have a guy at $50 and he does a good job I would keep his number. That is the biggest reason we went back to cutting our own.

Look at his neck. He has lumps on it like fly larva’s under the skin (a pocket of fly egg's) as you see on cow's some time. When the pocket of eggs hatch it makes a flesh wound kind of like a pimple on a human. Now you have an open sore and maggots. I am thinking this guy's rear end is being eating buy these maggots, it is irritating and that is why he is trying to lick his rear end. If my thoughts are wrong then I would go with the yote thoughts.

$50 is good deal

You know, everyone will simply ignore this post and instead talk about how impossible a repeal of the second amendment is, but I would like to mention that it doesn't take a repeal of any amendment to effectively eliminate guns and ammo, as ants' reply mentions. Case in point is cigarettes. They are still legal to purchase, so supposedly everyone has the right to purchase those products. However, look at how effectively the government has put a hurtin' on the tobacco industry through citizen behavior modification, via taxation. If they decide to tax guns and ammo to death, how is the 2nd amendment going to stop that? If you have a renegade, 2nd term, nothing-to-lose, president who now feels politically free to push his anti-gun agenda, I guess he can probably figure out a way around a pesky old Constitution. It's not like there's no precedent.

Bowhunting from the ground is the rush of all rushes IMO. Congrats.

Training a dog to hunt is an art in itself as well as a joy for some people. Having a dog is increases your success by a ton but it isn't absolutely required. If you're going to hunt ducks, most of the time you'll find them near water which makes having a dog that can retrieve the duck extremely helpful. The stick is called a shotgun plug. You can find it on amazon or Dick's, etc. Just google search "shotgun plug".

Shot 10/13/12 sneaking and peeking through the oaks. 25 yrd shot, double lung, on the ground. Sorry the pic sucks but its all I got.Took where I found her.

Fai, dogs are not required to hunt, but some folks refuse to hunt without one, since it's very enjoyable to use dogs for pheasants, ducks, and rabbit. But it's not required, and one can still be very successful without them. The stick in the shotgun is just to fill the ammo reservoir so that you cannot have more than 3 bullets/shells in the gun at any given time. If you have a single shot or dual barrel break action, you need not worry.

Real or not, it makes alot of sense. I'm not a fan of redistribution of wealth. I believe in America, a country where you have the potential to make your own wealth. I have a simple creed, "Be productive".

You weed out the knucklheads and there wouldnt be any post. LOL

So I went out Saturday morning in the freezing cold. I fully intended on getting in a stand up on the mountain in a stand of oak's. But about 200 yrds from my stand I ran into a group of doe in another stand of oaks that busted out in all directions making all sorts of noise. I stood there contemplating wether or not to just give up and go home as the wind was in the wrong direction to hunt this stand. Instead I went back to the main trail and dropped all unneccesary equipment and stripped off my jacket and sweater and just went with the t-shirt and longjohns. And started a slow stalk up the opposite side of the mountain. It didnt take long to run into some deer wandering around under another oak tree. I tried a few doe and fawn bleats which got there attention but none ever presented me with a shot and then they moved on. About 20 min later I caught more movement and saw a doe feeding along a trail. I hid in some small trees and grass and waited till she walked by about 25 yrds away and sealed the deal with an arrow thru the lungs. Spent the day cutting her up and havent gone back out yet. But have a freezer full of meat.

Nice..pretty rare to hear good customer service these days

You know you can always have him send a pic to me Sam..wink wink... that is just a beautiful buck!

i hunt the ground.In a brushed blind or just in some thick stuff off the edge of a clearing, with wind to my face, sitting in a chair.

A-Rod should be giving a big chunk of his paycheck to Raul Ibanez !

I am gonna waste my vote this year and vote for the independant thrid party that no one hears about.. If there is no good choice I wont vote. However the NRA supports Romney's campaign

http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/11833-employee-asked-what-kind-of-firearm-22-ammo-was-being-purchased-for/

That's because Mexicans don't do high tech labor.

personally I always take the first friday and mon of nov...that gives me 4 straight days in the stand and Nov 4th seems to be my best day of the year...hard chaseing but not locked down yet then use the rest of my time the first week of gun

Welcome to the Hemi Nation..

Rain drops keep falling on my head, if a doe walks by tonight she'll be dead....

Well welcome back to the obession. Good luck and be safe

Was on sale...half off... Great shooting Elmo. We can't shoot hens here unless we are on a preserve. Make me miss my Springer

the buck bomb I had was like a spray paint nozzle but you twisted is so that it locked itself so that the entire can would empty. I guess you could do a few sprays but the directions say to let the entire can rip.

If Otis Pike is anything like West Point then you just have to go to the check in station in the morning, let them know you're going to be in there (they'll want record your hunting license #, etc) and then when you're done, you go back and let them know you're done. This way they know who is in the park and when. I hear the small game hunting in Otis Pike is good. Been meaning to check it out but never find the time. Also, if you see waterfowl and want to take a crack at it you must get a duck stamp and register with HIP first. To shoot at waterfowl, you must have a stick in your shotgun that will limit the number of rounds your gun can carry to 3. 2 in mag, one in chamber. I would also go with something heavier than #6 for waterfowl. They recommend #2 for ducks and BB for geese. I shot a Canada Geese with #6 steel shot before. It shrugged it off like it was nothing and all I did was injure it. A mistake I've learned and will never repeat again.

Parksville NY doe. Hunted saturday evening in a super thick set of woods that I saw deer go into that morning. Right on que as it started getting dark I could hear feet all around me but could not see anything with all the leaves still on the trees. Finally this doe appeared 15 yards away in a small window of opportunity. Shot and the the Nocturnal lighted nock dissapeared into the outline of her body, and than the woods exploded with deer and had 3 deer run under me in the direction of this deer. I got down and just went back to the house. After dinner we waited and went back into the woods about 1030pm and found my arrow which smelled very strong, but clean of blood with white hair all around. I soon turned and saw her bedded down 40yards away looking at us. We tunred off the lights and backout out silently. It started raining heavy at 3am and I could not sleep thinking that she was going to get up and run without me being able to follow a blood trail. Headed back out at 6:50am and found her dead where we had seen her the previous night. I hit the back of the lung and part of the liver and put a tiny whole in the stomach which is where the smell was from, but not much gut excapted into the cavity which was good. Im shooting 70lbs with slicktrick mag 100gr broadheads, on beeman ics shafts with nocturnal lighted nocks. You can see the entrance wound in the first photo and the exit in the second, lower then I would have liked but a good kill non the less.

Well, made the deal on the truck. Picking it up after work. Here she is... BTW doe, 3k below low retail.

I know wds, just goofing around.

my grandma used to also say she "could feel it in her bones" if it was going to rain.I used to laugh but a doctor once told me that with arthritis the barametric pressures and weather changes could affect the feelings when there wasn't any pain killers involved. She was like 75* black foot indian.She was serious about that sorts of stuff.

The rich are the ones who lost the most when the stock market and housing boom tanked. They were hit by the economy as much as anyone. Corporations have recovered and done well in the last 4 years, but the wealthy are not in the same boat. They had to scramble to keep from losing millions too. And now the Democrats, who were a major factor in the destruction of the economy, want to point the finger of blame in another direction so they can stay in power and keep screwing all of us. They are practicing class warfare with every speech one of them makes. These are the facts that are very obvious to any objective person. This is how they plan to raise taxes on all of us. Divide and conquer. They claim they only want to tax the rich at a higher rate, but we will all get hit, and hit hard! The rich can't pay enough in higher taxes to bail out a $16 Trillion dollar debt. The Democrats support themselves, and they do it with our high taxes. The Republicans support all productive Americans, not just the rich. They also support gun owners and hunters. The Democrats DO NOT! They support those who take from the rest of us by keeping them dependent on the government and buying their votes with our tax dollars. How long do you think they will be able to sustain that without destroying this country?

It happen. Better a clean miss than a bad hit IMO. Get back out there, its just starting to get close to the best time to be out there...

Unfortunately, I'm relatively new as well, and had to learn on my own for the most part. I've been lucky to connect with several other hunters from here and have learned a few things along the way.

I've been lucky so far , nothing stolen ! But just in case I've written the #3 and #4 on my cameras - I only have two .... makes them think !

I took this pic about an hour, maybe two before I shot the buck. Prophetic? No. This is one of the two places I expected a shot and is where I shot him. I posted it earlier. Unless the apple tree jumps at me, I can shoot 140 yards to that hedgerow without a twig in the way. See the apple tree? See the limb? See it cut? Geez. Sure made 55 yards easier. You keep bringing up objections, but you are not seeing that its situational. I don't think anyone here who advocates thinks you should shoot when there could be twigs in the way.

I think you may be misunderstanding. If you personally can't/won't shoot 50 yards, fine. If you think all bowhunters shouldn't, then, well, the fall from the high horse is going to hurt at some point. When the proper practice and situation dynamics allow for it, it is considerable. Is is common, especially here in NY? No, not at all, and I think everyone who supports a longer shot possibility in this thread has made that very clear. There are a TON of caveats with every single encounter. Nobody is saying to blanketly shoot 50+ yards without concern, and I think it is pretty clear the OP understands this. And, as far as the arrow hit, if you are seeing where the arrow hits on all of your deer...then you haven't killed many whitetails up close. I have seen far fewer arrows hit my deer at 5, 10, and 15 yards. Most times that arrow has gone through the deer before my form has let me even peek at it. It's actually more difficult to see the arrow impact at 10 yards than it is at 25.

I'm the guy holding the deer in the first photo. The other person is my cousin. I just blocked his face out because he's not much to look at...lol.

For me, the challenge of bowhunting is the fact that I have to get close. That's what I got into bowhunting for was to take on the challenge of a short-range weapon for hunting. Maybe I'm in the minority on that these days. But I think I'm much more impressed with a bowhunter that gets his deer at 10 or 15 yards than some guy who had to "settle" for a 50 yard shot.

There was a hole there, but not one that I wanted to exam too closely...lol.

Sorry to hear about the camera Doc.. Hope he falls from his tree stand but is saved from hitting the ground when his ball sack gets caught on a tree step..

So as I was sitting around Saturday afternoon pondering where to hunt that evening. I recalled a nice strip of oaks on the edge of a revine over on some stateland. I had scouted it twice last yr but with no Acorns I never hunted it. I noticed while I was there the last time that the wind was a little squirrly since it was at the base of a hill in a valley between two mountains. It was hard to get a fix on what direction the wind needed to be to hunt it. Well with the acorns dropping like crazy I decided to take the long walk back and don the gillie suite and hunt off the ground with my back to the ravine. So I finally get there about 6pm find the trail which was not easy with all the leaves set up with the wind in my face and settle into some brush and sit and wait. Well I was there 15 min and im startledby a grunt to my right. I check the wind because I was not even contemplating that they would come right up out of the revine behind me!!!! Suddenlly there are deer all over the place running around in cicrles to my right. I make out two small bucks a spike and another one I can just see antler but cant really tell what it is. Plus a doe and two fawns. Well the bucks harrass the doe for a while and thrash some brush off to my right about 40 yrds out, The doe heads down the trail with her fawns behind her. I draw back as they are about to hit an opening and the spike rushes them and they stop right in the opening but the doe is in the middle and a fawn on either side of her covering her vitals, of coarse why not. Well they walk out of the shooting lane and stop. They look at something to there right and I let down the bow. Well then here comes the spike on my side of the trail and he stops 10 yrds in front of me. Watching the doe. Then came the ever so slight change of wind. The whole time its blowing in my face then bang one gust comes from behind and these deer looked like someone slammed them with a baseball bat. There heads wipped right in my direction and I new it was over. They couldnt see me but they new I was there. And they melted into the undergrowth like ghosts. Well I didnt get the shot but it was alot of fun to have deer that close to you on the ground. The interesting thing about this spot is I found it in the winter time while out walking about. I noticed the funnel between the hill and the ravine the ton of rubs and tracks and trails and said to my self I will definetly be back to this spot come hunting season and it turned out to be a good spot. Ill give it a few weeks and maybe go back.

It's a bobcat. Just look at the ears in the second pic