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Canada geese are pushing the envelope in some people's minds as well.

Is "politician" to general of a category?...lol. Depends on the setting for some of my answers. mice and rats, always. Squirrels and chipmunks if they decide that barns, garage, house and especially flowers beds are theirs and not mine. Woodchucks in most cases, but especially when they tunnel under my vegetable garden fence or under the back deck. The neighbors rooster....did I say that out loud?

I think I need trophy room before my head is up there next. Just waiting to get my bear back. Thank god my father is going to hold onto it for me.

there are a lot of things I'd pay higher license fees for, as long as the money goes to the right places. Right now we pay about what a round of golf with lunch costs and we get to hunt and fish for a year. And for all our complaining our hunting and fishing is pretty darned good

Labeling coyote hunting "persecution" is an exercise in Orwellian double speak with questionable motives. Hunting may indeed cause more coyote breeding, but if the original sustainable population is already dominating the landscape, the answer is certainly not less coyote hunting. The over regulation of trapping methods has also added to the problem of coyote overpopulation in many areas. The only reason coyote hunting doesn't bring the population under control is not enough people hunting coyotes. The annual take is way below what is needed. They are not a source of food for those that hunt them, and their pelt values are down, so there is little incentive to hunt them at all. That's why contests with monetary rewards must be run. They are an invasive species, vermin and predators that add nothing of value to the land they occupy.

With any luck someone will let the air out of this before 15+ pages....

Liberals...Especially academic types who feel they are much superior to the rest of us "common folk" because are more educated than we are, despite the fact that many of them don't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot.. Oh..You mean animals ??...Hmmm..

But only for the very caring parental bears of the southern zone. They realize the Northern zone is filled with less than ideal parents bears and that is why they allow you to shoot them out of a group up there. They probably know they are better of on their own that to learn the poor northern zone habits.

My sister inlaw

Best thing about the bear hunts I've been on is flying in those planes!

Yeah, we were side by side - 60,000 of them signed two petitions that made no sense at all and a tad over 300 signed ours that did make sense... And we got the nod...

Porcupine

In other words, danger makes 'em horny.

I would pay higher license fees to see every licensing outlet have a scanner or some sort. scan in your filled and unfilled tags or you don't get them for the following year.

Again here..Many that did not have the chance to make the extra grand or two a month have a problem with the view. In my area up on the Hill i and many think they fit right into the ski and snowmobile areas that they are located in. I have heard of many out of staters say that bring their sleds up here just to ski-do around them and the views. Different stroke for different folks!

This is far from being the truth and real life will show you so. Do we have to many because of Drum? You bet ya because they cant be hunted there and they get to live and screw their brains out to make more. Now do we have even close to what we had before we started killing them every givin chance? Hell No! If Ft Drum was not here there would be close to none on this landscape. That is a fact because we kill them. If anyone thinks for one second that a heavy coyote population on your property will not kill your deer and ruin your hunting have either never owned property and had the problem or are clueless to the real world. I dont give a rats behind what some white coat tells me what a yote will or wont do by research. The real world showed me that when i got 700 acres loaded with some of the best deer hunting conditions in the state and had no deer but had packs of yotes on all 4 corners i had a problem. When you sat in a tree stand every night and saw 3 or 4 to 1 on yotes/deer i have a problem. Now after 3 years of blasting the vermin at every chance i see 3 to 4 to 1 still but now its deer over dogs. That my friend is a proven fact! Do we still have the vermin. You bet ya, had a single track yesterday morning walking my deer fence, Does that bother me? Not really, make me real happy because there was only 1 track meaning 1 animals. 2 years ago that would have been 4-6 running together. Bottom line is if you kill the problem the problem will go away. An active pack of yotes is not a problem. As far as the saying that if we kill alot of them then they will breed to make more to make up for the loss....They had better get in the sack because they are falling way behind.

My apologies, First-light. My comments were not in reference to your specific project. I know nothing of the details of what is happening in your area. My comments were in reference to a few specific projects that I am personally familiar with, all in the southern tier. What I described is how those companies worked in those areas. Your situation seems to work well for your and your neighbors. That is great. As I mentioned, this is not a black and white issue. There are different sides and both can have valid points. What is a boon for one area can be disastrous for another. It is not one size fits all. Regardless of which side you are on, a little research into the topic will show that the companies attempting to build in the southern tier (Meredith, Stamford, Grand Gorge, etc.) employed some very questionable tactics. This is documented and easily verified. That is not to say that all these companies do this in every area (although it does seem to be more common than not). I have no axe to grind. I did not want wind turbines in my area (and seemed to be of the majority opinion). All the projects were soundly defeated a few years ago. None are currently active. I did not purchase my land or build my home until I was sure they were going to be defeated. If these projects looked like they were going to approved, I would have looked elsewhere for my land. I had nothing to lose. Things turned out fine for me, and would have either way.

I recall something about "setbacks" of 500 feet from adjoining property owners and you are right about the 50 acre per turbine requirement. Our land could only have 2 turbines max since our land is about 140 acres. Sure glad we didn't pursue the turbines...would have been a helluva mess for us.

people will be mad when I roll into Braddocks next weekend like that....

Internet? What internet? Some of these areas have NO internet access. Even if they drive 40 minutes to a starbucks and connect with a smart phone, it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. This is an issue with two sides. The wind company side is better funded and better organized. Also, the energy company doesn't come in with a parade down main street. They are very quiet, approaching a few key landowners. These people are offered money and must sign a confidentiality agreement.They are forbidden to discuss this with anyone - including neighbors. Most residents have no idea what is happening until it is (almost) too late. Finally, not everyone has a say on the topic. As you noted, these things are visible from miles away. I have a great view where I am but the area where one of these projects was slated for is in a different town. My neighbors and I had no voice in the outcome. Absolutely. The Meredith documentary illustrates that perfectly. As do many other defeated projects in the Southern tier. People banded together and fought the town board. Long standing officials were voted out... and long-term friendships were destroyed. It was touch and go for a long while. These could have gone either way. Both sides thought they were doing the right thing. Both sides had "solid information" on the topic to support their view. If not for some luck of the right person getting wind of it (pun intended) some of these projects might have gone through. Part of the reason some of these project died was also timing... the economy tanked and made it less economically feasible to keep fighting for the towers. I think these are the modern day equivalent of the "oil rig tax write-off" from the 70s. They provide a great tax benefit for investors. When the economy goes south, the write-off isn't as appealing. I'm with you on this... I think these things are a blight on the land. Others don't agree with that. That is all subjective. Aesthetics aside, I believe there are many other practical downsides. However, the other viewpoint has their own set of arguments to counter that. It is a tough subject and not so black and white.

what issues did you have with the SPX? i was thinking of getting the 464 but in the non-tactical version.

I have a den and garage. Wouldn't want them in the bedroom honestly. I think you're just pushing it at that point.

Mike, My comment wasn't intended to argue and I agree with your basic point. However, I did want to point out that while the writer mentioned the Republican party, he specifically noted he did his trolling for a _different_ company than the one which had the GOP as a client. I see where he may have intended some connection, but the text does not state that. (emphasis mine) In fact, he doesn't specifically state he ever had anything to do with the GOP - only that they were client of the company he interned for.

Hit that fox with a blow dryer, he should fluff up some. You can back blow it and get some fullness out of the fur.

That is the main problem I had with them here...they wanted to spread them all over...Hey want to say the farmers should have a right fine, so they don't need to sell off their lands for housing ...stick to their land, and limit them to one specific area of that land. Not on every person with 50 acres to be had...but then in the same stance...stop the government crop subsidies these farmers get after they have the turbines up. That way in the long run everyone gets at least some benefit from them......That is if the subsidy funds now not being used for farming goes to improving the countries infrastucture. I Know your smack dab in the middle of big Farm land First light.

I wasn't nor was any of my neighbors approached by a slick company rep. It was a local person who had all the information about signing up. When I did do my research on the first wind project in Howard it did raise an eyebrow from me seeing some important names on the list for possible wind towers to be built on their property. I can clearly see where you guys are coming from on this issue. Like fracking there are two sides to the issue and if you google the topic so many articles come up for and against. The one thing that is clear these turbines are huge and you can see them. I would be hard pressed to let this happen on my property if my neighbors weren't involved. Being that they all are involved its a go.

And those people are voted in or out by the residents, so the fate of such projects still is in the hands of the residents. It is all explained in a couple of sentences of your post ...... "I have some land in an area that was targeted for wind turbines. It all ended up getting shot down".

Ha-ha-ha ..... And speaking of "trolls", this topic is covered with troll-tracks .... lol. Sorry, I'm not biting on this one. The bait is a bit too transparent.

Why is this a surprise? Just about every major organization is doing it and has been doing it for a while. It is very big with "review" sites. Also, while the original article is crafted to give the impression that the GOP is doing it, the article does stop short of stating that. In fact, the author claims to have interned for a company with Republican party contracts but says the job offering was with a different company. It may or may not have had anything to do with politics. While I believe both political parties engage in this practice, there is no way one can derive the title of this thread from the linked "article."

Oh boy, this will bring out our own festering of trolls.

If all goes well Yorktown Heights near Taconic and would commute from Croton Harmon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hartsdale is about 25 miles north of midtown NYC. I don't want this thread to turn into a debate. It's all relative and I understand your point. Have to weigh your options. I enjoy being close to civilization but still being able to hunt and fish etc. I may not have access to the best hunting and fishing but I vacation 5-6 weeks a year and being under an hour from 4 major airports is nice. NYC provides endless opportunities that no other place in the world can, not to mention the best restaurants in the world, something to do every night, etc. I enjoy that and I enjoy going out west to the middle of nowhere for a week.NYC apts are a whole other world. Millions for 1bedrooms and then a few thousand each month in maintenance/taxes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is one of the reasons why NY can't get anything done in the way of good deer management... the selfish hunter.. NY is loaded with them... my guess would be that 95% of hunters couldn't care less about proper game management (ie. conservation)... we might be better off letting the deer population explode and eliminate tags all together.. let hunters shoot all the deer they want. Whack 'em and Stack 'em. That seems to be what hunters really want. LOL.. unfortunately the same 30% of hunters would still be killing the same amount of deer

There are several wind turbines just east of Cleveland, Ohio in a commercial section of the city. They look like they belong there. They don't all need to be out in the country.

lol I live in a co-op in Westchester, I carry my cased guns to and from the truck all the time, haven't raised an eyebrow yet

Not staged. I took the pics in 2012. That is all my furniture. I am pretty neat though, when I get home I put everything away. My fiancé on the other hand, tends to leave stuff on the bar, etc.

Albachores! Funny makos school w/ them half way around the world. Of the half-dozen makos of hooked while trolling for tuna it has always been a monks the schools of albacore

I have to lean with Doc on this one...The damn things are unsightly.. I'm making no judgements toward landowners who have them... I'm just glad that I don't have to look at any of them in the areas where I hunt.. ANOTHER reason why I'm glad I won't have to live much longer...

Driving south on Main Street Naples, those things are the very first thing that you see. They don't blend in with anything. You cannot get used to them to the point where the view looks anything like it did before they were plunked in there. They are a scar on the landscape that perhaps can be enjoyed only by those collecting cash from that kind of exploitation. Many in the surrounding towns did not knuckle under to the threats and pressures of these power companies and have successfully beat them back ..... for now.

You mean you don't allow your wife to use the bathroom in the house..??.. I can see where she would be concerned in VERY deep snow...

I can understand folk wanting quiet on their one day off, but if they are really serious, they need to ban lawn mowers and other gas operated gardening gear on these days. These things are far more intrusive and annoying than a few gun shots. I can't stand the endless droning of people cutting their giant and pointless lawns.

Just got the official mortgage pre approval today! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Butter color. Knotty pine for the win...............

Found it online.

Weight wise they are huge in Nj, but I wonder how they score skull wise for record books. I would think not much better than a big skulled 300lb Canadian bear Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

thunnus that is not true, the fawns survive fine unless it's an unusually cold, deep snow winter. A severe winter sometimes kills with or without momma doe around. The fawns will be fine and I see them getting by ok in winter near my home.

Anyone who shoots a doe does. Most have fawns even if not in site at the moment. I will unless early season. Fawn will be fine.

Any buck that doesn't mind some baggage.

Yeah. buy American...oh wait...nevermind.