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And BOOM goes the dinamite ! Had two gobblin on either side of me below the ridge I'm on ... They shut up bout an hour ago ... Soft called him in , came in silent , started puttin and I waited till he popped behind a tree , raised up, when he stuck his head out boom, paced it off at 39 yds ... He was just about to disappear below the rise .... Good to get one out of the way now I can enjoy the rest of season [emoji41] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Maybe THIS will help clear things up! Digitally enhanced it for ya- haha!

Seems like the next move should be listing these judges and targeting them during their elections.

Deer poaching legislation that increases penalties for poaching deer is making some progress. Amendments had to be made to first get it through, but it was voted on and passed through the Assembly uncontested. Not a single 'Nay' vote! Lots of momentum now going into the senate. Several hundred if not thousands of $ to illegally shoot a deer and possible imprisonment. Also it got rid of the wording "wild deer", so if you shoot a pet deer behind someone's fence, there's a possibility this might kick in too but not completely sure. Definitely will make a difference. Before the penalties were practically nothing with no incentive for a poacher to change his/her ways. Areas hit hard by it is most likely same people being repeat offenders. Lots of incentive not to be that way now. https://www.qdma.com/news/qdma-supports-new-york-bills-to-increase-poaching-penalties http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A07171&term=2015&Summary=Y&Text=Y

I keep hearing about how reviled Trump is and how he is hated by everyone, and totally unelectable. And yet the last of the opposition has already dropped out due to the overwhelming popularity of this guy. His wins have not been razor thin. For a guy who everyone supposedly hates, he sure is doing rather well isn't he? However, over on the socialist side of the race, we have little Bernie giving Queen Hillary all she can handle in their little battle of the socialists ..... and has not yet been successful at dispatching him yet. This fabricated picture of harmony and unity that is painted by the champions of cradle-to-grave politics is a marvelous exercise in fantasy and wishful thinking. Apparently there is some sort of comfort that these socialists obtain from the production of self-delusion. But I can only go by results. Trump is not necessarily the kind of candidate that I would have chosen to run, I have to admit that I am getting increasingly impressed as each day goes on. Besides, look at what the disgusting alternatives are.

My hunting buddy called tonight to ask if I'd be interested in tracking again. He has a line on a good bloodline wirehaired dachshund. Her name is Xena and she is 9 months old. Both our tracking dogs died a few years ago after long lives doing what they loved to do. So we got away from blood tracking. Not sure if we will be under the Deersearch banner this time around. But will be independent and track for local hunters. Guess I better start getting in shape.

If this deters even one poacher from doing their dirty business, it's well worth it. The fines for the crimes have been much to low. I'm happy to see this!

I couldn't get out this morning. Just to drive myself crazy I took a ride past the property i hunt, late yesterday afternoon. Yup..nice big tom in full display out in one of the fields, a hundred or so yards from the tree line. Im sure there were more with him past the little rise he was on. Im almost positive where he roosted last night and I know exactly how to slip in and set up. Been bugging me since last night. I have taken birds in that same spot. I'll definitely be out in the morning.

She has been corrupt and dishonest since early in her law career. The fact that she has come this far without landing in jail, is amazing.

Congratulations to everyone!

Well Grampy I'll tell you, but first let me explain this: When I first saw this I immediately went to it's a Pig Oohh damn! Called Mr B in and he said Fox,but then wavered to pig. So I posted it on a site I frequent, that is country wide but southern based. Many replies and not a one said anything other than pig...I did this because who better to ask? They deal with them all the time and get night pics. Not one to sit on their haunches ,as it were, whilst waiting for the replies to " For you Southern guys" I really looked the pic over. The best way was with the Kindle because the touch screen enlarged it well...I then knew what it was for a couple of reasons. Close up revealed both the ears and the feet. The snout was still iffy Then there are the many many good (no fog) pics of my frequent visitor. It is a red fox that comes to that exact spot nearly every other night.. why that spot? because that seems to be the favorite patch of clover in the entire field for a rather big bunny...and he sits there every other night. Now as far as I'm concerned Hunter 49 had the best answer " pigs body with a fox face". I went back and told the guys sorry but it is a fox...I enlarged the pic. The response was this...a continuation of it's a hog! I was told they also enlarged it and it's a hog! Bear with me here. See hogs are entrenched in their lives and not in a good way. When I posted this here, I got the results I expected. I knew because most of you( I'll assume) have no or little experience with hogs either domestic or wild. The pictures your subconscious would gather as a reference would go to what it knows, canine /fox. Those of you that have had swine or worked with swine would have to go to it's a pig as I did. I say this because when viewing that picture it shows the distinct curvature one looks for in a good hogs ham and the shoulders and neck from that angle show something normally seen in hogs and not fox...So our eyes gravitated to those things and our subconscious filtered through those memories as a reference. In a recent post I said what we see is 1 part fact and 1 part mental referencing,or rather perception. Sometimes what we see triggers such strong references that takes a bit of time to reason out what we are actually seeing. So sometimes what we see has a lot to do with our experiences...Which is why criminal witness accounts are so unreliable... and a bearded hen can look like a jake....remember all computers are only as reliable as the information they are fed...

http://www.sportsmensalliance.org/news/reframing-trophy-hunting/ Reframing Trophy Hunting Posted on February 15, 2016 Hijacked by anti-hunters, the term ‘trophy hunting’ has taken on a negative connotation in society – it’s time to take it back. Here’s a start to reframing the trophy-hunting discussion with non-hunters. Defining a Trophy When news anchors and the general public throw the term ‘trophy hunting’ around, they’re usually speaking in a very broad sense that assaults their emotions and is an affront to almost everything that modern, regulated hunters and hunting represents. The term is a misnomer, but they don’t even realize it. A trophy is a very personal thing. For some just killing an animal to eat is reward enough. For others, a mature animal that is more wary is the goal. Still, for others, a very specific animal, or at least one meeting very high standards, is the ultimate goal. This is all dependent upon the person, their skill level and experience in hunting (see infographic: “Evolution of a Hunter”), as well as understanding of the species they’re targeting. A trophy is a crowning achievement for an individual. Period. What it’s not The popular myth of trophy hunting is that it’s simply hubristic killing by hunters for display upon a wall – which is only done for a head, hide or horns. The underlying belief is that the rest of the animal is left where it died and goes to waste. This is the perception anti-hunters have created, and which they are framing hunters every chance they get. From “Cecil” the lion in Zimbabwe, Africa, to the proposed black-bear hunt under protest in Florida, anti-hunting activists and organizations cry ‘trophy hunt’ to convey what they believe is the senseless killing of animals – without regard to the associated science, management and ecosystem-wide benefits. It’s an effective tactic that resonates with the public quickly. Those two words immediately generate an affront to the public’s sensibilities, and creates another hurdle we have to overcome to maintain scientific, and not emotional, management of our flora and fauna. What it is The fact is, what animal-rights’ activists portray is not just an affront to the public’s sensibilities, the waste of an animal is a disgrace to the sensibilities of a hunter as well. When it comes to a ‘trophy hunt,’ two points often overlooked by outraged activists, the media and the public include: A hunting season is not state-sanctioned slaughter. Every state has wanton waste laws that mandate the harvest and use of meat, hides or other body parts to ensure that the animal is not just wasted, and that the number of individuals taken is in accord with the supporting habitat and predator-prey balance of the area. A ‘trophy’ animal and its use as table fare are not mutually exclusive. An animal can be a specimen worthy of both taxidermy and the table. A trophy hunter is simply someone who has placed self-imposed restrictions upon themselves that go above and beyond what’s dictated by the state. They are more selective, and will pass on younger animals, often those barely reaching the minimum standard, in a deeply personal pursuit to further challenge their skills and learn as much as possible about the prey they pursue. The irony of animal-rights activists crying ‘trophy hunt’ is that the true definition of a trophy hunter wholly undermines their most egregious complaints about hunting. The self-imposed standards of a trophy hunter often result in the hunter not killing an animal at all, and when one is killed, it is not an ‘unsuspecting’ animal – it is an animal that knows how to survive and that danger lurks at every turn. What it doesn’t do Contrary to animal-rights’ claims, the killing of a trophy animal doesn’t damage the overall population of species by removing important genes from the genetic pool or by throwing the remaining animals into a state of societal chaos. A trophy animal is usually a very mature animal. That’s what makes it so difficult to kill, and what usually results in more impressive antlers or horns, spurs and beards, or other defining trophy qualities. As such, it has reproduced many times over, likely with many different mates, for several seasons, ensuring genetic diversity throughout the population and passing along the quality genes that enhanced its chances of survival and reproduction. Additionally, the loss of a mature animal is expected in nature, and it is quickly replaced within the immediate, as well as overarching, societal hierarchy. Trophy hunting does not damage the overall health of the population. Period. What it does Trophy hunting is the most restrictive, demanding type of hunting. As such, it not only doesn’t harm the overall population, it is wholly within the parameters of a scientifically managed hunt. A trophy hunter will remove a mature animal from the population. That population has been surveyed, and scientifically determined to be able to withstand the loss of a certain percentage of both male and female animals that will result in no net harm to the overall health of the population. Additionally, the removal of the animal opens habitat and resources, such as food and cover, to others within the population. Bottom line At the end of the day, a trophy hunt is a deeply personal endeavor that is in accordance with the individual hunter’s goals, skill and experience level, and knowledge of the animal, its habitat and behavior. It is not a quest simply for a head or horns, but is a severely restrictive, scientifically managed hunt for a mature animal that has served its biological purpose, and one that uses the meat, hide and other attributes of the animal to the fullest, and which supports the ecological health of the overall population into the future. This is the message we must pass to the general, non-hunting public, regardless of whether it’s an old, well-known lion killed in Africa or a record-book whitetail buck in the states. This story first appeared in the October 2015 issue of Sportsmen’s Monthly. To receive your own print or digital copy of Sportsmen’s Monthly, please consider joining Sportsmen’s Alliance today.

Thanks all. It was a valuable learning experience. And it's nice to get a bird under my belt after a goose egg last year Sent from my D6708 using Tapatalk

See, there is specifically the point I was making. The NRA is (and has been for years) the primary reason that we still have gun rights today that are more liberal than some of the European and even Canadian versions of gun control. No other organization has worked so tirelessly and so effectively for gun owner's rights. But because we can nit-pick and pull out one issue or another that we don't agree with we are in a hurry to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We know from this forum that sportsmen and women find very little that they can universally agree on. And there are no advocacy groups that can exist that do not have to occasionally take some controversial positions. That kind of comes along with the territory of being an outspoken, effective organization. But what really irritates me is when people will seize one or two items and use them as a reason for not supporting good organizations that work for our rights and keep the antis from over-running our rights. The old saying of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. Unfortunately sportsmen seem to always be looking for reasons or excuses not to join. And yes, if you take any organization and demand that they align exactly in lockstep with all of your views, you will have all the excuses you need to never join or to ignore and even to badmouth them and do the anti's work for them. It never seems to occur to people to try to change policies from within an organization. How much easier it is to stand outside and take potshots. The antis love it!

Don't get me wrong, I am not wanting to change the Wilderness Areas that exist today, But recently there have been additional large tracts of land that were private holdings that allowed some access, and those areas were acquired by the state and shut down to people using them other than on foot. I too used to go deep into the woods, we carried canoes up to 10 miles into the wilderness areas to fish lakes. The Essex Chain Lakes had float plane access to sportsmen for decades as did Lows Lake, and that access has been or is being taken away. There is an old float plane dock in Whitney lake within the West Canada Lakes Wilderness area. That was taken over by the state back in the mid 1980's, and shut down. I am not looking for anything more than having people stand up and say, hunters and fishermen are the countries largest contributors to conservation, and we need to make sure we have a seat at the table and that sportsmen rights and concerns need to be addressed too. As there is plenty of Wild Forests available today, there is plenty of wilderness areas too. All newly acquired parcels should not automatically become wilderness areas, some need to remain open for everyone, not just the young and strong. There needs to be balance. The reason that wilderness areas have little game is the habitat for game in old growth is poor. That is why the Indians used to burn forests and girdle trees. To make habitat for the game to ensure their own food source. French Louie wrote of wintering areas around West Canada Lakes having hundreds of deer in them during the timber cutting hay days of the mid 1800's to the end of that century. This point is not to promote reverting back to clear cutting the entire forest, but to highlight that the Adirondacks are capable of having abundant game and how habitat plays an important role in the availability of that game. I agree, some areas do need to be set aside as wilderness, but some need to be managed for the timber resource as well as habitat for animals. Its' these areas that should have better access for all. Sportsmen will continue to get the short end of the stick until we unite and voice our common concerns. Again, the need for balance.

Birds are talking today called in a couple birds nothing to shoot to far or jake Sent from my XT830C using Tapatalk

Diplomat, I read your links. She does seem a little off. I am not going to go so far as to agree with the decision to remove the children from the home. If we are going to start down that road you might as well start saying who can and can't have children. I don't agree with many parents how they raise their kids. Who the hell am I to tell them what's right or wrong. As far as bread and water for two weeks. My kids would probably make that choice on their own. All they ever want for dinner is pasta.

I have checked out the Yeti coolers and they are obviously over built. These things are tanks. I just can't get over the price of them.

A poached deer should be lifetime ban. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, I've missed. No good reason, I just blew it.

she got us with what, how? she asked for an opinion and she got it

Fake retraction of a statement. I've said it, others have said it, this woman belongs in prison for treason, not in a position to run the USA. It's not hearsay it's facts. She's nothing more then Obama with boobs.

red fox. Black tipped ears and it appears tail is tucked behind legs

There's no way we are all looking at the same picture here! The one on my screen is a fox without a doubt.

Good job this year to everyone who got involved with ANY aspect of the youth hunt, whether birds were killed or not! I've grown to really enjoy the pictures and stories you all share here during this youth hunt. Special thanks goes out to Lou for orchestrating this contest again to help encourage getting the next generation of hunters off to a good start! I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... it's a great thing you do Lou putting it all together for anyone that wants to participate! Bravo buddy!

I absolutely agree with the mandatory reporting of each tag issued (successful or not), but I think one thing that the DEC is a bit goosey about making the next years tags dependent on complying with the reporting law is that they do not want to be denying antlerless permits because they apparently are already suffering for lack of doe harvest participation. The fine should be a financial one that is designed to sting a little bit. The thing that would make them obey this law is the knowledge that the computer would catch you and there is no way to escape that. A simple sort on tags issued, vs. tags reported would instantly pop out a list of violators. In fact if you wanted to get fancy, you could have the computer issue warning notices after the close of the season, followed up by an actual fine notice if there was not immediate compliance within a two week window.

Huge props for all who donated prizes. And congratulations to the winners and all the youth hunters who participated. And most importantly to all the mentors who took the time to take a kid hunting! You are all winners!!!

fill it with beer and bring it over. I'll help you in testing

Pig

last minute bird. We had a great hunt, my buddy missed and I was able to get him with a follow-up shot. There were two Toms with hens this one broke off and came to us. He put on a great show gobbling and strutting. 1" Spurs beard is 7.5". My friend can go after that other one tomorrow

You beat me to it Doc. You are so right. Not joining the NRA because of a single issue, that is a lot more complicated than a purist is willing to admit, is helping the antis take away ALL gun rights. Because of one issue, some people are willing to jeopardize the entire program. I don't support a lot of what the American government does either, but I still pay my taxes.

We are SOOOOO far behind the other states in the Game protection laws and fines. There are states that fine based on a sliding scale of the "value" of the animal to the people of the state. and the bigger the deer the bigger the fine. I get that these judges see all kinds of cases, some of our other laws may be inadequate as well. But just like so many other professions or offices, they weren't "drafted" into them. THEY CHOOSE to take the position. administer to law or get out of the way for someone that will. I have an issue, like you, with all the illegal taking of game. The reality of it though is the whitetail the most popular game species bay far in the state. I believe it is number one in it's entire range. Just as I said in some other DEC threads about other topics, I see this as a positive. We are far behind where we should be, do we spout all negatives about a positive step becasue it doesn't go "far enough" or do we take the step as a first step and keep pushing?

Good going Sent from my XT830C using Tapatalk

Good luck with the new dog. Great service to the hunting community.

maybe so but an extra year (or more if they shoot more than one deer) of imprisonment not so much. if it happens and they get caught under that circumstance why not put the screws to them a little deeper. I'm sure you agree.

Finally! Hoping this gets signed into law. The one change I'd make is to increase the maximum fine. I see it got changed from 2k to 3k, but I'd go 10k for each deer.

You shoot a someone's..Livestock...Behind fence and the wild deer killing fine will look like Bubble gum change!

Nice bird..congrats!

Starting a diet regime. Will probably not be able to post much here other than possibly a couple of cheat days here and there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

A welcome back to the thread pic for ya

What do the bucks think ........

My daughter is 8 and her favorite gun to shoot is the her front stuffer. I buy 185gn cast 45cal pistol bullets and harvester sabots some blackhorn almost no recoil and very cheap. It's nothing for her to shoot 30-40 shots in an outing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Liar liar Pants-suit on fire

Thank to those not ripping me apart. I expected to get it from all sides posting here. As for a safe shot. I identified the bird as being a turkey. Having a beard and being small... I took it for a Jake. Having never seen live turkey this close before. I was shooting down a slight Hill and behind the bird was a hummock of earth left from some old project which was over 5 feet high. 20 yards isn't far. I wasn't shooting at a blue head. I was shooting a clearly defined Jake ( to me). Having seen it half strut. It's not like this was a 60 yard shot 20 minutes before legal light at what could have been someone's dog. Turns out hens do half/full strut. Lots of videos out there. Take into account that I am learning all of this on my own and doing it on my own. Real beneficial for future hunters out there when the old dogs rip em down at the tiniest perceived infraction. Gives all hunters a bad rap. Again thanks all for the insight. I assure you now that I have had this experience I will be waiting for a full Tom. And all the precious Bearded hens are safe from me. Either way it was legal. Sent from my D6708 using Tapatalk

he comfirmed it had a beard, therefore it was legal. wasn't quite what he thought but there's really no concern for safety or breaking the law. anyone else notice that he seemed to say that the bird was puffed and strutting. I've come across a few bearded hens to this day. one's a boss hen still walking the family farm as far as I know. I've never seen them strut.... to my knowledge it's something not even a bearded hen would do. maybe I'm wrong. also I've come across many jakes that have barely noticeable nubs that are the start of actual spurs. I'm not convinced he didn't shoot a jake.

He took his time and identified it as a bearded turkey.....how the F*** would he have mistaken it for a person,dog or any other damn animal that walks the earth????

It would have then this year but your better knocking off to let it put energy into roots 1st year of transplanting

The only thing I have with a lithium battery is my LG flip phone. And that's because they don't make one that uses anything else. Oh, and my laptop battery, which doesn't allow for an alternative either. The point is, lithium is very hazardous, much of it is mined on the surface using strip mining and the land cannot be reclaimed afterwards. Eco people are OK with it because they want it. They are against any mining that gathers anything they don't need, regardless of what others need. It's selective ecology. How long before people start to realize having huge amounts of stuff powered by lithium is going to be a complete "green" disaster in the future?

So most mining is condemned by eco-facists. Even fracking is hated. But Lithium mining is fine, even though it is probably the most environmentally disastrous mining that can be done. Go figure.