send letters for crossbows in NY

[steve863]

WNY, I'm sure there are some hunters out there pushing for it, but I really don't think it's that many.  I myself don't know of one, other than the ones I have read on this forum, who ever even talk about crossbows never mind pushing and writing letters to make them legal for hunting.  I personally think there will be very few hunters switching to them and even fewer who will be taking up hunting for the first time just because crossbows are legal.  I think the manufacturers have way more to gain or lose with crossbows being legal.  I've got a hunch that their profits won't be effected as well as they think in NYS, however!  Yeah, there are always those guys who just have to get one, but I know darned well that I won't be buying one even if they want to give it to me for $5.  I already have too much junk that is taking up space in my home and garage!!

[Doewhacker]

Good post Steve... thats the truth and I think most of us can agree on that.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

[steve863]

Maybe you know more hunters than I do, but over the last 5 to 10 years I am seeing less and less hunters be they bow hunters, gun hunters, whatever.  Todays hunting seems like a fraction of what was out there in the late 70's, early 80's when I started hunting.  I somehow doubt crossbows will light the hunting world on fire in any shape or form.

[Chevy]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

Please give me a reason I can believe that a bowhunter would convert to crossbow if it were legal?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

WNY, I'm sure there are some hunters out there pushing for it, but I really don't think it's that many.  I myself don't know of one, other than the ones I have read on this forum, who ever even talk about crossbows never mind pushing and writing letters to make them legal for hunting.  I personally think there will be very few hunters switching to them and even fewer who will be taking up hunting for the first time just because crossbows are legal.  I think the manufacturers have way more to gain or lose with crossbows being legal.  I've got a hunch that their profits won't be effected as well as they think in NYS, however!  Yeah, there are always those guys who just have to get one, but I know darned well that I won't be buying one even if they want to give it to me for $5.  I already have too much junk that is taking up space in my home and garage!!

PM me a list with you discounted pricing...I may be interested...lol. I don't see the impact either. I have shot one before at target and didn't seem to be all it cracked up to be. it was louder than crazy. I won't be buying one either Steve...NOW shoot me that list

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

Please give me a reason I can believe that a bowhunter would convert to crossbow if it were legal?

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Sounds like he did...the guy with the bad shoulder. My father had a muscle removed from his shoulder and he can no longer draw a bow. I know he would buy one.

and have you ever tried to hold a flashlight with one hand and shoot with the other with a compound...it's damn near impossible...I am thinking it would be much easier with a crossbow...LOL...just thought I would beat you to it Chevy

[Chevy]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

Please give me a reason I can believe that a bowhunter would convert to crossbow if it were legal?

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Sounds like he did...the guy with the bad shoulder. My father had a muscle removed from his shoulder and he can no longer draw a bow. I know he would buy one.

and have you ever tried to hold a flashlight with one hand and shoot with the other with a compound...it's damn near impossible...I am thinking it would be much easier with a crossbow...LOL...just thought I would beat you to it Chevy

I asked for a reason a bowhunter would convert. If you read the post the guy with the bad shoulder was not a bow hunter any more due to the bad shoulder. He said he had a list of guys who would convert and I would like  to know why!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I know a couple too. They have never done it and it is new....my feeling is if anyone wants to try it...wait a few years ...I think there will be a TON of barely used bows on the market at about half the cost of new. I don't see the draw except for those who can't anymore.

[Doc]

Based on absolutely nothing at all, I suspect that there will not be a large immediate rush out there to buy these things at first. However, I do have to recognize that over half of Ohio's bowseason deer are taken with a crossbow ....... over half. So apparently there are some reasons that people go for these things. That number has to represent one heck of a lot of people, wouldn't you say? Yes it took them 30 some years to get into that condition (actually a lot less than 30 years because it has been that way for quite a few years now), but there obviously is some kind of appeal that people here are not talking about.

Doc

[fasteddie]

I can see someone who is handicapped and can no longer shoot a bow switching to a crossbow . But ...... I would think that same person would use a rifle / shotgun vs a crossbow during the gun season . The only way I see the switch happening is when the crossbow is brought into archery season . Then I would imagine it would add some  women , kids and guys that don't have time to practice ( just like Ottie Snyder , the media specialist for Horton stated in an interview ) .  No stats . No numbers . Just an opinion ........

[Chevy]

Sure there is a guy or two out there with a bad shoulder, but these contraptions hunt like a gun and the influx like seen in Ohio will be from gunners transitioning into archery season at which point it will no longer be archery season because we will be dealing with deer drives ect...

[sits in trees]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

Please give me a reason I can believe that a bowhunter would convert to crossbow if it were legal?

yea Ohio has 170 thousand crossbow hunters compared to 150 thousand vertical bow hunters. just a couple of short years ago it was about 50 / 50 with vertical bowhunters having a slight edge. and the numbers in PA and Jersey show that the interst in crossbow hunting is very strong..

[sits in trees]

So Sits tell us all how crossbow companies are not meetting with any members of the NYS CC and pushing for the bill to get passed I would love to hear it. And then tell us how Horton crossbows didn't donate large sums of money and crossbows to 4-H (Cornell ext---NYS) and while your at it tells us Horton didn't receive an award at the 4-H Banquet because of that donation. And when you are done with that tell us that the 4-H and Cornell Cooperative extension has no influence in the state, heck then tell me how Cornell Coop ext can conduct an unbiased survey, that no one I know got in the mail. Come on wake up sits, and drop the down talk/ name calling if you can. Ofcourse crossbow companies have a biased intrest in the bill getting passed, they want your money pretty bad.

yea and vert compound bow manufactures have no monetary concerns when a state decides to include crossbows into their hunting season right.

[raymerlo]

how sad that the people that do not want the crossbow are so out of touch with what is going on out there,there are a lot more than a few disabled hunters out there,when you watch the video of the econ meeting there was so much misinformation,from Marcelinio and the NYB,the chairman of the committee said that he received more favorable mail for the use of the crossbow,in the end we got a convoluted bill that took Westchester Co out and Suffolk also,probably the two countys that needed it the most

[WNYBuckHunter]

I know quite a few guys that are in favor for it, have written their letters and are planning on purchasing them once they are legal. Every single one of them is a bow hunter except one who cant bow hunt any longer due to shoulder problems.

Personally, I may end up getting one down the road, but not in the near future.

Please give me a reason I can believe that a bowhunter would convert to crossbow if it were legal?

Who said they would convert? Just add to the arsenal. All hunters dont go through life with blinders on. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

Maybe you know more hunters than I do, but over the last 5 to 10 years I am seeing less and less hunters be they bow hunters, gun hunters, whatever.  Todays hunting seems like a fraction of what was out there in the late 70's, early 80's when I started hunting.  I somehow doubt crossbows will light the hunting world on fire in any shape or form.

Outside of work, most guys I know and hang around with hunt. I dont live in the city though.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I can see someone who is handicapped and can no longer shoot a bow switching to a crossbow . But ...... I would think that same person would use a rifle / shotgun vs a crossbow during the gun season . The only way I see the switch happening is when the crossbow is brought into archery season . Then I would imagine it would add some  women , kids and guys that don't have time to practice ( just like Ottie Snyder , the media specialist for Horton stated in an interview ) .  No stats . No numbers . Just an opinion ........

There are more archery only areas than you realize around urban areas. The best way to implement x-bows is to add them to archery season, then you could shorten down gun season without too many complaints. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

Sure there is a guy or two out there with a bad shoulder, but these contraptions hunt like a gun and the influx like seen in Ohio will be from gunners transitioning into archery season at which point it will no longer be archery season because we will be dealing with deer drives ect...

Show some examples of guys that drive deer with crossbows.  :

I wont be holding my breath waiting.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Chevy....deer drives?...come on...ever try to hit a runing target with a bow?. I have shot at a course that had a sliding deer target on a cable....compounds are comparable speed to a xbow....it aint hppening.

On you Ohio stats...same thing you said before. So I ask again. Give evidence the big "influx" is fun hunters...do you have numbers from before the law...no ..and as Doc pointed out...it was nearly 30 years ago.

PA is more recent addition...can anyone find bow hunter license sales before crossbow...I can and would love to see them.

[solon]

so the argument goes that a xbow is the same as a compound (which i don't believe) - so please answer this:

Why the passion to use  a xbow during archery season as opposed to a compound bow if its the "same"

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Solon......OMFG....have you even been reading?....start back twenty some pages and if you can't pick it up by then...PM me...I'll get the crayons out and go nice and s.........l...........o.........w............  for you.

[sits in trees]

Solon......OMFG....have you even been reading?....start back twenty some pages and if you can't pick it up by then...PM me...I'll get the crayons out and go nice and s.........l...........o.........w............  for you.

LMAO!!!! ;D

[Doc]

The best way to implement x-bows is to add them to archery season, then you could shorten down gun season without too many complaints. 

So you think that you can toss a crossbow to a gunhunter and then tell him, "Here use this and by the way this is what you will be using instead of your gun when we knock a bunch of weeks off gun season". What? ..... you think these guys are nuts? If you want to see the hunting community really torn apart, just try proposing a stunt like that. Yeah, I can picture that ...... We just cranked the license fees through the roof and now we are going to tell the overwhelming majority of hunters that they can't use their firearm of choice for most of the season that they used to have. Or maybe this is a scheme to try to force gunhunters/crossbows into bowseason. More likely it is a scheme to simply drive hunters out of the sport. It would very effectively do that.

First of all, I don't think you will ever find anyone of authority that will go along with that scheme. Certainly not the DEC. They are already concerned that they may not have the ability to control the herd with the diminishing number of hunters that they have got. There is no way that they are going to cripple their major deer-killing tool and punish the gun-hunters. I'm not even going to argue the merits of what you are proposing. I'm just curious as to what world you actually believe this could ever happen in.

Let's get real!

Doc

[SteveB]

Huge number of gun hunters in NY only hunt the first 7 to 10 days.

The opportunity to hunt earlier in generally far better weather may be attractive to many and

effect a compromise. It is what Ohio does, and you can still hunt with your recurve, err compound, for 3 months without guns goining off and they manage the herd just fine.

Just a thought.