THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA

[sits in trees]

In all seriousness, I haven't read up on it. I get insurance through work, so am I affected in anyway? My cost for medical n dental hasn't changed at all Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Same here, this is the first year we haven't had a 20% plus increase at my company. I have a close contractor friend who now has health insurance for him and family and 3 employees now, he had a preexisting condition (blood pressure high and cholesterol) and couldn't even get health insurance thru the private market at any cost, his health ins dropped him when they found out about his blood pressure after he paid them premiums for years. Now he has insurance and he is seeing a doctor on a regular basis. Some good some bad just like anything else I guess.

[skyhunter]

"Affordable " Health Care Act.

 

yes, affordable for millions who didn't have it. they pay nothing and taxpayers get tagged for the balance.

 

oh, and don't forget another thing about the people who Obama is having you pay their medical; they don't pay any taxes either.

 

sounds fair?

[BornToHunt]

i have come to the conclusion that the less you have, the more you get. If you have 2 hands that work and 2 feet that work get a F#$%&G job that will give you insurance, because I AM TIRED OF PAYING FOR IT.

[jjb4900]

I guess if you're the recipient of the healthcare that's getting subsidized by successful people it isn't a bad thing, if you're one of the others, who are doing the subsidizing it may not seem as good....much like if you still live with your parents and all you need to worry about is what you're going to do Saturday night and nothing else matters.

[WNYBuckHunter]

"Affordable " Health Care Act.

 

yes, affordable for millions who didn't have it. they pay nothing and taxpayers get tagged for the balance.

 

oh, and don't forget another thing about the people who Obama is having you pay their medical; they don't pay any taxes either.

 

sounds fair?

 

As long as I can golf and fish, and my reciepts dont say "Obamacare" who cares?

[virgil]

For all of you guys commenting about how the ACA causes poor people to receive health care subsidized by "successful" people...how do you think they have been receiving care before the ACA? What I mean is: legally, no one can be refused care in a hospital emergency department. So, people with no insurance use ER's for their care. Their bills go unpaid and the cost is passed on to the paying customers. The ACA is meant to address this problem. It can't possibly solve the problem altogether. But, it's a start.

[Vince1]

People have scammed the system forever. All aca is tryin to do is plug holes. Healthcare here is expensive as hell. A decent doctor in the philipines costs nothing compared to here. Same for medicine. If im sick there i pah outa pocket with no issue. Here i get chared out the butt

[ants]

And how is the health care Philippines? Pretty sweet ? Would you travel there to see a heart specialist over a U.S. heart specialist ?

[Doc]

People have scammed the system forever. All aca is tryin to do is plug holes. Healthcare here is expensive as hell. A decent doctor in the philipines costs nothing compared to here. Same for medicine. If im sick there i pah outa pocket with no issue. Here i get chared out the butt

Can't say that I have heard of a lot of people hopping on a jet the Philippines to access the care of those "decent doctors".

 

Look, nobody wants to see people going without health care because they can't afford it. But any solutions need to keep people incented to at least try to pay or try to get into a position where someday they will be able to pay their way. It appears that everything today is aimed at creating dependency. People are starting to throw their hands up in frustration when they see others having things that used to cost hard work, responsibility and a sense of pride, now being simply given to anyone who asks for it. As the converts grow, we are seeing more people eating from the trough than those that are filling it. How long do you suppose that can keep on going?

[sits in trees]

Unfortunately we as a nation are going to have to start paying more for health care. The technology has risen to new levels and when your sick or have a loved one who is sick you will want every bit of that new high tech stuff to be working for you, and its expensive. Statistics will show that eventually you or a loved one will need hospitalization, rehabilitation or even long term care.

True we have some of the highest healthcare costs in the world but things like technology (which are helping with curbing cost right now) in the delivery of healthcare as far as record keeping, communications, etc will not be enough. Its going to cost more plain and simple.

[sits in trees]

Its such a shame that in this great country we have to have mega corporations and dirty politicians decide on how they are going to limit the amazing technology in healthcare that's available today. I say pay the people who deliver the care and develop the technology and limit the huge profits big pharma and the insurance giants can make to cut costs to the patient/sick person. Notice I didn't say consumer. If other country's can do it why cant we. And that evil socialized medicine argument is hogwash because counties like Germany and France are setting the global pace in healthcare and medical technology today and although things are improving we are still behind. 

[GreeneHunter]

Its such a shame that in this great country we have to have mega corporations and dirty politicians decide on how they are going to limit the amazing technology in healthcare that's available today. I say pay the people who deliver the care and develop the technology and limit the huge profits big pharma and the insurance giants can make to cut costs to the patient/sick person. Notice I didn't say consumer. If other country's can do it why cant we. And that evil socialized medicine argument is hogwash because counties like Germany and France are setting the global pace in healthcare and medical technology today and although things are improving we are still behind. 

Your making way too much sense !

[Vince1]

And how is the health care Philippines? Pretty sweet ? Would you travel there to see a heart specialist over a U.S. heart specialist ?

My wife is philipono. So ive paid bills there and seen a doctor there myself. Would i want a us heart surgeon . Of course. Would i take a bill from the filipino doc over a u s doc for basic care. Hell yes.

I understand technology and all but prices for medicine and dr visits are waay beyond reason to me.

I saw an out of network dr and he said to me dont be surprised when i see the bill.

Crazy

[nyantler]

It's very easy to see how the people can be manipulated by our government... kind of like the whole gun control thing where some of you fellas were blind to what liberals have been doing for years to get rid of your gun rights in NY and America... "It hasn't affected me yet... so all is good here, what do I need the NRA for?".. The SAFE acts sneaks in the back door and gun owners are scrambling to get an NRA membership...

 

"It Hasn't affected me yet!"  LOL famous last words...

[Doc]

I think that some here need to have an honest discussion with Canadians about the quality of their national healthcare. I have a brother-in-law in Canada that supplies plenty of examples of where national healthcare leads. Bottle-necks that are created by this unlimited unrestricted healthcare with everybody clogging their system with hang-nails and sniffles, causes some very lengthy waits for diagnostic testing procedures for very real symptoms.

[Sogaard]

Its such a shame that in this great country we have to have mega corporations and dirty politicians decide on how they are going to limit the amazing technology in healthcare that's available today. I say pay the people who deliver the care and develop the technology and limit the huge profits big pharma and the insurance giants can make to cut costs to the patient/sick person. Notice I didn't say consumer. If other country's can do it why cant we. And that evil socialized medicine argument is hogwash because counties like Germany and France are setting the global pace in healthcare and medical technology today and although things are improving we are still behind. 

 

 

Scary day when I agree wholeheartedly with Sits....

 

[greg54]

I think that some here need to have an honest discussion with Canadians about the quality of their national healthcare. I have a brother-in-law in Canada that supplies plenty of examples of where national healthcare leads. Bottle-necks that are created by this unlimited unrestricted healthcare with everybody clogging their system with hang-nails and sniffles, causes some very lengthy waits for diagnostic testing procedures for very real symptoms.

That's why a lot of Canadians come over to Western New York to have diagnostic services done. There is almost no wait time for appointments and some medical institutions even have ads that mention Canadian neighbors are welcome.

[Doc]

Here's a cartoonist who nailed it when it comes to healthcare costs .... lol.

 

[skyhunter]

As long as I can golf and fish, and my reciepts dont say "Obamacare" who cares?

 

the ole short sighted "don't affect me now" mentality. what about tomorrow?

[nyantler]

The NRA had 4.5 million members prior to the passing of the safe act. Why did they not manage to put a stop to this then? How many members will it take?

 

The NRA is a joke.Totally ineffectual when it counts. I wouldnt give them the frothy scum of my maple syrup boil. They spend most of their money and energies endorsing useless Republican incumbents. The NRA needs to break ties with the GOP before I give 'em a rusty penny.

I rest my case... you are exactly the type of person I'm talking about. If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

The NRA had 4.5 million members prior to the passing of the safe act. Why did they not manage to put a stop to this then? How many members will it take?

The NRA is a joke.Totally ineffectual when it counts. I wouldnt give them the frothy scum of my maple syrup boil. They spend most of their money and energies endorsing useless Republican incumbents. The NRA needs to break ties with the GOP before I give 'em a rusty penny.

So what candidates should they get behind then? Give us a list of names

[nyantler]

So what candidates should they get behind then? Give us a list of names

Don't let him fool ya Bob... this has nothing to do with who the NRA supports or doesn't politically... this is another gun owner giving a foolish reason for why he hasn't gotten behind the single largest and most affective pro 2nd amendment organization in the world... bar none... any gun owner that doesn't support the NRA is a fool in my opinion and is as dangerous to the 2nd amendment as an anti gun activist... Have you ever known the NRA to support any candidate, REP or DEM, that wasn't a supporter of the 2nd amendment? ... or to not actively fight against a candidate that was anti-gun? Absolutely not! So how supporting a GOP candidate can have anything to do with a reason for snubbing the NRA is just ridiculous. The real question you should have asked is... "So what OTHER largest and most affective organization are you supporting to fight for your 2nd amendment right?" oh none? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Elmo]

I once went to one of the most honest dentist ever.  He told me my teeth are perfectly fine but since I'm allow X number of visit per year on my insurance and their fiscal year is about to be up, he's going to schedule for all these extra cleanings.  And I quote "Good for me but not  completely necessary.  You can cancel the appointments if you want but I just want to milk them for a little extra money and you'll end up with super healthy teeth in the end".

 

You wonder...how many doctors out there also milk the system.  You get scared into an exam that may not actually be required?  "Oh?  You have a cough?  Let's have an MRI and blood test done just to make sure it's not a rare bacteria" or some crazy stuff like that.  As a result, insurance cost goes up.  Other pay the bill.

[Doc]

I once went to one of the most honest dentist ever.  He told me my teeth are perfectly fine but since I'm allow X number of visit per year on my insurance and their fiscal year is about to be up, he's going to schedule for all these extra cleanings.  And I quote "Good for me but not  completely necessary.  You can cancel the appointments if you want but I just want to milk them for a little extra money and you'll end up with super healthy teeth in the end".

 

You wonder...how many doctors out there also milk the system.  You get scared into an exam that may not actually be required?  "Oh?  You have a cough?  Let's have an MRI and blood test done just to make sure it's not a rare bacteria" or some crazy stuff like that.  As a result, insurance cost goes up.  Other pay the bill.

There is no doubt in my mind that doctors play the game to dig as much money out of the system as possible. I know that excess appointments are made over every little malady that someone may have. Often I push back against this kind of excessive attention but I'm afraid that most people do not.

 

But doctors have some other accomplices that may often force them to over-medicate and over-test and over-examine. There is the court system which has forced doctors to be able to show that they have gone overboard in patient care so that they escape legal actions when normal health problems go bad. I tell you, there is enough blame to go around when it comes to health care costs. You have the pharmaceutical corporations that want to recoup research investments in the first 6 months on the market. You have hypochondriac patients who have never heard of a disease or affliction that they don't claim to have. And everyone wants the most expensive medical procedures for everything from a hangnail to the sniffles. You have researchers who are constantly coming up with new inventions and procedures of heroic proportions that cost more money than anyone can afford. Of course everyone feels entitled to all of it. Replace this, replace that, it can be done and money be damned, I demand it! There is enough blame to go around including that guy in the mirror.

 

Yes, medical science is a wonderful thing isn't it? We keep adding years onto life expectancies. Heck, they can now keep you alive a lot longer than you even want. The money flows freely in the business of medicine. Sure it cost money to perform miracles, but then maybe we should not be whining quite so much about it all if it is that important to us.

[nyantler]

You didn't think at all. GOA is a great organization and they get my support along with a couple of others and unlike the NRA they don't keep a secret database of US gun owners. How easy would it be for the NSA to get that info I wonder? Very easy is the likely answer.

I will concede that the GOA is a legitimate and affective gun lobby... that also backs GOP candidates... but a good organization non the less.