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Only issue i have is Anyone with bow or gun certification should not have to retake a course to hunt with a crossbow!!! Plan and simple

If a crossbow is classified as a bow, and you need to purchase a bow privilege to hunt with it you would need to have taken the bow class. The intent of these bills as written will not require you to retake the bow class if you took it in the past. If you have never taken a bow class in the past and or had a bow license in NY, you would have to take the class to purchase the bow license.

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The problem with the 200 lb weight limit is draw weight does not always have a direct relation to the power of the bow. A 290 lb Excalibur recurve crossbow shoots at 405 fps while a Scorpyd  VTEC with a 175 lb draw weight shoots at 440fps. As with compound bows, cam design does more for speed than draw weight alone, When referring to recurve crossbows or recurve vertical bows, draw weight is the major factor in speed.

So the 200 lb draw weight limit does not have the effect of limiting the power of crossbows that you are concerned with, but instead, only eliminates the majority of recurve crossbows presently on the market. And those recurve crossbows are not any faster than the average compound crossbow, and all are slower that the fastest compound crossbows on the market today.

 

I get it and truly believe the 200lb limit is BS because it eliminated a lot of what's currently out there.  i'd just hate for it to get to a point where the natural progression to seek more and more performance turns into who can have heaviest duty built-in truck winch and heavy limbs that won't break under hundreds of pounds of load kind of crossbow.  i'm for crossbows but you got to wonder where things are going.

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I get it and truly believe the 200lb limit is BS because it eliminated a lot of what's currently out there.  i'd just hate for it to get to a point where the natural progression to seek more and more performance turns into who can have heaviest duty built-in truck winch and heavy limbs that won't break under hundreds of pounds of load kind of crossbow.  i'm for crossbows but you got to wonder where things are going.

I understand your concern. I do believe that issue would be better served by having the DEC set the limits based on data, rather than having legislators create put it into law based on unsupported opinions and emotion, rather than true fact and data. DEC regulations can be amended when needed without having to go through all of the hoops that is required to change law, when the laws are shown to be flawed as is the case with the 200lb limit. 

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I get it and truly believe the 200lb limit is BS because it eliminated a lot of what's currently out there. i'd just hate for it to get to a point where the natural progression to seek more and more performance turns into who can have heaviest duty built-in truck winch and heavy limbs that won't break under hundreds of pounds of load kind of crossbow. i'm for crossbows but you got to wonder where things are going.

200 lbs limit is equivalent to 65 lb compound bow I have no problem with it, not trying to launch a rocket... more than enough power for well placed shot
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200 lbs limit is equivalent to 65 lb compound bow I have no problem with it, not trying to launch a rocket... more than enough power for well placed shot

 

not entirely..... you've got to figure in recurve crossbows.  Excalibur in my opinion makes very nice crossbows that are all recurve.  The couple lowest end ones they make have the lightest limbs at 200lbs and they're rated for just over 305fps.  that's a little sluggish in the crossbow world.  all the rest are over 200lbs.  so NY's laws now on the books make practically an entire manufacturer's line not legal to use.  only reason is they didn't think things through and consult the industry before writing the law.  typical NY policy and I'm not ok with that.  I do think that something close to a 200 lb compound limit and 300 lb recurve limit for crossbows would work to allow what's currently out there for "run of the mill" offerings.

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not entirely..... you've got to figure in recurve crossbows.  Excalibur in my opinion makes very nice crossbows that are all recurve.  The couple lowest end ones they make have the lightest limbs at 200lbs and they're rated for just over 305fps.  that's a little sluggish in the crossbow world.  all the rest are over 200lbs.  so NY's laws now on the books make practically an entire manufacturer's line not legal to use.  only reason is they didn't think things through and consult the industry before writing the law.  typical NY policy and I'm not ok with that.  I do think that something close to a 200 lb compound limit and 300 lb recurve limit for crossbows would work to allow what's currently out there for "run of the mill" offerings.

 

 

 

have an excal hanging on my wall now thats at 175# doing 305 and though i love that xbow, i am waiting to buy another excal that can pull a bit more speed.

 

course since i woosed out and got another compound xbow that was on the cheap side i may just wait a bit longer to buy. 

 

ny laws suck balls i tell ya

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have an excal hanging on my wall now thats at 175# doing 305 and though i love that xbow, i am waiting to buy another excal that can pull a bit more speed.

 

course since i woosed out and got another compound xbow that was on the cheap side i may just wait a bit longer to buy. 

 

ny laws suck balls i tell ya

Vince1,

Are you involved with helping us get the laws changed by calling your legislators and joining NYCC to grow our voice in Albany?

Working together, we can effect change to these laws, separately, we will continue to struggle in the efforts for crossbow equality.

 

Please help by joining NYCC. Your $20 membership is an investment in the future of crossbow hunting in NY!

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