Antler Restrictions - What are your thoughts?

[Pat Rockets]

Ok..isee where you got that..i had meant 3 8 pts in 3 yrs..2 nice racks and this yrs small 8 that caught me with an itchy trigger...and several that had been passed on..but all had good sized bodies..and as far as the headhunting..thats basicly what im gathering...antler restricting is the only way here..no alternatives..all cause people who have "done the research"..and now are experts..i would love to do what they do in texas and sit and wait for a monster at 200+ yds..but i cant bring myself to believe thats hunting..but yhats what some like..and im ok with that..closing the distance is what i like..and i beg a pro to count antlers..draw and  shoot in a 20 second span..no treestand..all ground work..but how i hunt is how i hunt..this site has had a large roll in reevaluating myself and i find myself asking what the overall point of this restriction is..really..and is it ethical..not only to this thread..but even my own goings on

[nyantler]

Rocket.. this is serious and I hope someone will back me on this cuz I'm not trying to be an ass.. but I seriously can not understand what the hell you are talking about.. I'm sorry, but I cant!

[Lawdwaz]

Complete sentences, capital letters and the occasional paragraph break go a long way, IMHO.

[nyantler]

It's not even that.. I seriously can't understand what he's saying...makes it so hard to respond

[burmjohn]

Ok..isee where you got that..i had meant 3 8 pts in 3 yrs..2 nice racks and this yrs small 8 that caught me with an itchy trigger...and several that had been passed on..but all had good sized bodies..and as far as the headhunting..thats basicly what im gathering...antler restricting is the only way here..no alternatives..all cause people who have "done the research"..and now are experts..i would love to do what they do in texas and sit and wait for a monster at 200+ yds..but i cant bring myself to believe thats hunting..but yhats what some like..and im ok with that..closing the distance is what i like..and i beg a pro to count antlers..draw and  shoot in a 20 second span..no treestand..all ground work..but how i hunt is how i hunt..this site has had a large roll in reevaluating myself and i find myself asking what the overall point of this restriction is..really..and is it ethical..not only to this thread..but even my own goings on

Your questioning is AR ethical?  Is shooting baby bucks ethical then?

[Larry]

Anyone see the new NYONs. Vermont may scrap its no killing of spike reg that has been in place for 5 years.

[burmjohn]

That must make you fawn hunters happy.

[Geno C]

Rocket.. this is serious and I hope someone will back me on this cuz I'm not trying to be an ass.. but I seriously can not understand what the hell you are talking about.. I'm sorry, but I cant!

thought it was just me...

[Pat Rockets]

Seeings how this is all hypothetical anyway lets say the state comes forward and ends the debate by saying no...what could..IF ANY..there be some alternative to this debate...take a night..throw it down later..i would like to see what comes up...or is this the only option..

[nyantler]

AR is not hypothetical.. its been applied in many states... the fact that the DEC has only implemented AR in a few areas in NY... is based on their opinion of need and want for any WMU... it isn't that they think the concept isn't valid.. it's more them trying to juggle the need and want of the NY hunter.

[Larry]

Whether you are for or against AR’s; you do know the only changes we are going to see is maybe the bow season starting Oct 1st and the x- bow thing.

[erussell]

My wish list would be Crossbows and AR  . How would everyone feel about 2 bucks a yr, 1st buck can have any size antlers you want, but 2nd buck must be an 8 point or bigger.

[bubba]

Is thinking I will start a deer frm.  That will be the future of deer hunting.  I could be a gozillionaire.

[nyantler]

It would be a great place to take pictures Bubba

[G-Man]

Well i think ar's are going to have to be an individual thing,the state wants to manage numbers not age. For those of you that say well if i pass it some one else will shoot it...maybe but maybe not i know that my neighbors benifit from me passing deer as the deer they are getting are getting bigger as well. If you own land i think the best way to protect the younger deer is make a sancuary(the thickest nastiest stuff you have avaiable,or cut stuff down and make it thick!) and then stay out of it all the time! you'd be amazed at the number of deer that will head there for safety from your "kill em all neighbors" property. Most important don't hunt your sanctuary at all! wait the deer will leave and the one you want will eventually come out..  just my opinion......

[Pat Rockets]

AR seems very one sided to me..sided towards rack hunters..which if thats what you do then so be it..however i believe one alternative could be the feeders...bare with me...a feeder permited by the state with a 150 yd radius no shoot zone set up by the dec and the permit holder could buy feed provided by the state only..no additives..only health promoting feeds..creating jobs and generating money for the state.

Meat hunters would see larger deer body wise and rack hunters would see an increase in total headgear..even at 2 yrs old which is still a good meat hunters deer age..if i meat hunt i would want to fatten up my bounty..if i look for racks im sure after a short time deer age and growth will move up  with good health levels and less food finding stress...winter kills..lime and wasting disease prevention..etc..possibly keeping deer out of the  road by placing feeders where deer naturally cross rds to feed...(may be tryin too hard for that one)

I dont see feeders being that bad when people are just growing food plots basicly for the same reasons..placing a feeding area where it wasnt there naturally..this way could scratch alotta backs if done right..like i said..just lookin at some alternatives..heres a poll question..if this were proposed..would you buy in?..

[burmjohn]

CWD is one reason the state would not like this idea...

[Pat Rockets]

Id have to say the state may lift an eyebrow or two at the chance to scoop more $..ar does not present that..lets say 50 000 feeders get placed with a 100 dollar prmit plus the tons of feed sold per yr..which like i said could be state controlled to have ingredients to prevent cwd..

[Geno C]

i personally dont get the whole CWD claims... in X amount of years howmany case studies show a deer with CWD? slim to none?

not only, i am almost positive just about every single one of  us walk up on bait piles every year in the woods. Now with the "constant baiting" that goes on throughout the years, food plots, corn fields, mineral site and so on you almost never hear of a deer infested with CWD. Not to mention there was a scare not to long ago in bottled deer urine containing CWD. And the ban of certain scents in states i believe, correct me if i am wrong...

im not supporting the feeding or baiting notion, but with all that goes on under the surface im not to concerned if they made it legal or not...

[SteveB]

I'd vote no and actively fight it. Justs advances the farming of wild deer and can build populations to unnatural levels.

[SplitG2]

sorry, baiting or using feeders is not the same as food plots.......IMO

[Pat Rockets]

Ok..what kind of livestock do you have that you grow food..that attracts deer to a certain area that would otherwise be dormant?

[SplitG2]

my livestock consists of everthing that lives in the woods and my fields.  whats your point?

[Pat Rockets]

You seem like a smart fellow..pretty sure  you see what im getting at..like i said..its a suggestion to an alternative to ar..i dont see any other suggestions ..so all of these highly educated people on here have no other suggestions than AR ??

[TheHunter]

You seem like a smart fellow..pretty sure  you see what im getting at..like i said..its a suggestion to an alternative to ar..i dont see any other suggestions ..so all of these highly educated people on here have no other suggestions than AR ??

If people like you would let the youngins walk there wouldn't be a need for AR.