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I'll start it off wooly. Oldie but goody........... And from last year........

You haven't heard the story? (grin) I shot the doe first. Gutted her and drug her from across the gully to my side then climbed back up in the stand, waiting on a buck. 20 minutes later I saw the first 'yote sneaking along, looking at the gut pile. Shot that one, skidded it over next to the doe and climbed back up in the stand. 20 minutes later the 2nd 'yote arrived on the seen. You know what happened next already................... 90 minutes of action from start to finish. Oh yea, all shot with the T/C Encore 50cal ML. Pretty good day afield! All the hides from the three 'yotes above were tanned. Two are in my family room and the other was sold.

Darn it, I wrote up a more extensive summary, but lost it...Here is the basics! After most of a 3 day travel from Oswego Cty including an overnight ferry trip to Newfoundland, we found ourselves at Patey and Sons Outfitting in River of Ponds, NF. This had been a 3 year scheduled, 10 year planned and 40 year dreamed of hunt for me, ever since reading "Look to the Wilderness" at the age of 12. After efficiently and pleasantly processing our paperwork (including licenses, butcher processing orders ...that's confidence?) and driving to the base camp, we had a fantastic flight out to our unnamed lake, about 45 minutes flight time away. We were awed by the untouched glacial wilderness, with probably 100s of thousands of glacially formed ponds, lakes, streams and rivers. we easily imagined woolly mammoths wandering in past times. After arriving at our camp, our pilot hurriedly headed back, racing the atlantic storm bearing down on us, which hampered us for the next 5 days. Season opened on Saturday, but heavy fog, rain and wind kept us indoors. Sunday was a no hunt day by law.Monday....a break in the weather! To condense the story, Both Ed and I realized poor weather for the rest of the week was coming, and we both were going to be happy with a bull with palmation. Only after about an hour into our sit to glass from a rocky hill situated in the middle of a sprawling valley, my guide spotted 3 moose- two cows, a good bull and 2 big bears. I had shot plenty of bears, so aftr a quick discussion, we planned a stalk on the bull, who was est. about 900 yards away, across the easterly valley on a hill just below tree line. After backtracking and crossing the valley, we approached the last seen location , using three large boulders as land marks. We knew he was bedded, so settled down to wait him out, I saw him stand, with a perfect angling shot behind the r shoulder. The shot should hit both lungs and take out the L shoulder....which it did! (about 170 yards, taken with my upgraded 1933 mfg. Oberndorf Model 98 Mauser, 8x57 mm.) The bull dropped in his tracks. My hunting partner Ed shot a similar sized bull about 2 in the afternoon with his 30-06 Remington pump.Over all a pretty dang fine day. We couldn't say more about the organization, planning, accomodations, etc of the outfitter. It is a fly in hunt, so it isn't cushy, but is certainly comfortable with plenty of good home style cooking, and VERY attentive and cordial guides. We left early due to the continuing foul weather, and a window allowing us to leave wed. a.m. We hope to return asap, but it will probably be 5 years or so for my pocket book.

Shoot, shovel, shut up. Repeat as needed.

wait till deer opens up lol

Here's one of mine on opening day of gun season 2013 This pic was taken approximately 45 minutes after sunrise and I was home eating backstrap by 8:30-9:00

I like that first photo......I was gonna say thanks for saving a deers life, but then I looked on the ground next to you........

Man do I have a hummer of a head cold. Started yesterday afternoon with a horrid sore throat then all kinds of head pressure. This morning I had plans to get up early and head down to Ontario County for some tree stand work, stay over night and come back Sunday after some long range banging. When the alarm went off at 6am I rolled over and snuffed it out...........got up around 7:30 and told my wife I wasn't going. At 9am I was on the road. We had a very productive day as far as the tree stand/hut work but didn't feel like shooting or staying over night. Man is my head plugged now, the throat feels ok but I dread tonight..................I grabbed some Nyquil so we'll see how it goes.

Still beats the alternative!

I would refrain from putting anything in an injured eye that isn't prescribed by a doctor......

Sorry, Ants. I meant dying traps. My washing machine is brand new. I'm not sure Mrs. Wildcats160 would appreciate me tumbling 50 pounds of steel traps around in it lol.

Of course none of us are capable of dispensing medical advice over the internet, and when it comes to your eyes, I would be careful about a lot of "wait-and-see" kinds of cures.....lol. Two days of symptoms kind of raises a flag for me. All eye damage will eventually heal, but you always have to wonder if the surfaces of the eye will heal the way they should. It's all kind of required to be a bit precise in order to work right. I think what I am saying is that if there is any doubt, get it looked at.

OH MY!! I remember THOSE days, cleaning up all those lovely messes from sick kiddos with tears in their eyes....... Good luck with your little Hannah.

Heres about the average size for the sugar beets so far. Id say 1/3 of the size of the brassicas. I know they are slower growing, dont like to be crowded, etc. I hope they will do better next year planed by themselves.

In my area they have been hammering the hickories..I have been out three times and have shot 17 squirrels... They will be feeding in the oaks also, especially in areas where there are no hickories or pignuts.. Keep in mind that in years when there is a heavy acorn crop the squirrels tend to be spread out more, because there is food everywhere... They also tend to feed quite quietly in the tops of the oaks , unlike the frantic running and jumping from limb to limb that they do when feeding in hickories...Hunt very slowly, and be alert for subtle noises that might be made from squirrels moving in the treetops and cutting nuts... It will get easier after the leaves start to drop and most of the nuts are on the ground..Lots more action on the ground then, with squirrels running around gathering fallen nuts..

Spent this weekend at my daughter's hunters ed class. She passed with flying colors! Now she is all ready to go for bow season next year. We are also talking about heading out to Colorado to visit family and go elk hunting next year. Ive been looking into the trip for a couple of years now, and now that she will be ready to go, Im going to start putting it together. Luckily, unless something changes, my family lives in one of the only OTC elk tag zones. Im also going to look into antelope just in case we both get our elk with enough time to try for something else as well. Yesterday, I stopped at the farm to take a peek at plots, they are still doing great. Heres some pics...

got me a bear this morning with mt handgun first bear i was still hunting

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The triumph will shoot it just fine, that design and the omega breech plug are some of the best for bh209. Lots of the cva plugs need a vent liner or the flame channel drilled bigger.

I thought I'd be nice and took Schatz out to a secret pond deep in the thick woods for a little frog chasing (her favorite after grouse and chipmunks). Poked myself in the right eye. Stick came right up under glasses and nailed me. I don't know if it was because I was trying to be nice to the dog or because I just spent becoup bucks on a new sight and servicing of my ole' compound, but someone up there has a sense of humor!! Now, 2 days later, I see blury or double when I look at lights at night and the new sight pins just sort of blur together. I know eye tissue is the fastest healing around but still wonder if I should get to an eye doctor. I don't know what they cost and dont have insurance. A little money in the bank prevents me from getting the free health ins. and don't have enough to pay the monthly premiums (but ole' Barak still hits me with his penalty on the tax return!!) Anyone get poked in the eye and how long did it take before it cleared up??

I would think that's fairly accurate and makes sense.........but I think the question is whether or not shooting a doe first will have an immediate affect on you killing a buck that may be in the area.

I have heard that if you shoot does early in the season, they're less of them around and bucks do more traveling during the rut to find mates. Not sure how much water that holds, but just thought I would throw that out as a topic of conversation to get opinions on.

Wheat is in the ground. Frost seed to Mammoth Red, Birdfoot Trefoil, Hairy Vetch, and a grass mixture next.

Radish are 23 inches. Oats are waist high. Deer haven't touched the radish. Eating the oats down to inches of the ground. Left a transport disc on one end of the field. About half way down to the disc, untouched. My Irish Spring method.

Cold for damned sure, no allergies for me. Also, I always sleep with my head elevated. Our headboard is up on 4" blocks to help with my stomach issues. Sucks getting old..............................

Nice- and you didn't even have to pack in a shovel!

set up somewhere between the dining room and their bedroom for results.

Don't forget to IMMEDIATELY fill out your antlerless carcass tag even if you're going to let her lay as bait for half a day. I could see an ECO strolling by, finding your doe stiffer than a 2x4, 30 yds from your stand with one of your arrows sticking out of her and you don't even have a pen with ya but you're still hunting. That could lead to some misinterpretation of what was really going on- "failure to properly tag game". That would suck!

A few years back, I shot a doe early in the morning. Gutted and dragged her out. Went back to the same spot later that day to look for a knife I had left there. After getting almost to the spot, I see a deer coming down the same way the doe did earlier. Turned out to be a nice 8 point that I shot about 20 yards from where I shot the doe. My hunting partner went to the same stand a few days later and he too shot a buck. So if you see a deer you want, take it. The old saying, don't let a deer go on the first day that you would shoot on the last day, holds true. Depending on the area, you may not get another chance.

if you kill a doe, your first priority should be taking care of it as soon as possible............not letting it lay there as bait. But, to answer your first question, I would guess that all depends on what your goal is, if you want to put meat in the freezer, kill the doe and hope it doesn't affect the rest of your hunt......if it's more important for you to kill a buck, then pass on the doe and hope for the best.

I'd shoot her and let her lay as long as the temperature permits. Deer are curious and that extra scent can't hurt yah.

obviously something is wrong if your vision is impaired...........you said you just spent big bucks on your bow, I would hope your eyes deserve the same.

If your husband is using an Apple product now it would be helpful to stay with an Apple product like an IPad. Why toss him a curve ball now? I got my wife an iPad a couple years ago and she is pretty dangerous with it now!l

Answer is, it depends....on your preference, size of the area you hunt, how many deer (does) are in that area, blah, blah. There are several does where I hunt, so one will not be missed from the breeding stock. I prefer to take one in October, strictly because it's warmer and I'm not freezing my hands field dressing it. I then take it to a processor, but if you DIY - hanging one in the October temps can be an issue. Every deer hunter has stories of seeing other deer approach a kill or coming back to retrieve one and there are others around. I'm not a big fan of shooting multiples, stacking em' up and retrieving them later. When I shoot one, I give it the respect it deserves and immediately take care of it! This all depends on the logistics of where you hunt. Again, just my personal preference...does are for the freezer and bucks get donated to the food bank.

If it were only that easy???? Sent from my LGL34C using Tapatalk

You're correct, there is no regulation. 25ft is just a general rule of thumb if you're not covering the carcass/gut pile. Sent from my LGL34C using Tapatalk

I like to hunt in between the food plot and were the woods start to thin out. I find the path they take I thin that out a little to make it easy for them and to draw their focus to that path. It works well. Thick or not I just find were the deer are and set up shop somewere near by. Early in the year the thick stuff is loud and filled with bugs. But hey if that's what it takes then i'm there. Goodluck. You bow hunting feart?

I've seen them eating beech nuts this early in the season. Acorns are mostly ignored until later on. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I had a Blue Light and a couple (?) slices of pizza. How about two fingers of the good stuff?

Good luck with the sleep tonight. At 630pm My 4 yr old daughter said her grass hurt I told her I would give her medicine in a little bit just before bed @ 7 my son starts yelling Hannah threw threw up 2x I clean it up and can see her face turning pal by 730 she did it 5x then feel right to sleep.

Take about 4 fingers of bourbon.....Might not help the cold but it will help you sleep... Works for me....

I bet if it was up to the DEC they would CLOSE the season. They help with population control more than lots of "deer hunters".

First deer was a huge finger lakes doe shot on Thanksgiving day 1977 with a pumpkin ball out of a bolt action JC Higgins 12 gauge goose gun. First buck was a few years later with my dads sporterized 8mm. '98 Mauser. I shot a moose with that last week up in Newfoundland.

And there you are whining about how something is worded rather than adding anything useful to the discussion. In fact that's all you ever do is whine about how someone is expressing themselves. Never do you have any constructive additions to the discussion. And yes my comment in that last reply is absolutely appropriate. If there is so much commonality across the country, then why is each state struggling to come up with their own unique versions and nuances to their deer management. While you are whimpering about how something is worded, you are running away from the truth of the statement. If things are so common from one state to another, a pooled federal activity absolutely could be set up nationwide to define "best practices" in deer management. But then everyone except a couple of people on this forum understand that. But the point has been well made and even each of every different state understands that they have their own peculiarities and needs and they all have to design their own management to handle the uniqueness of their own circumstances. I don't even see how anyone can argue that. I have outlined a few of the more glaring unique features of NYS which are so obvious that it surprises me that I have to list them. And if you guys were not so busy trying to prove me wrong, you would have to have the honesty to admit the obvious. Regional problems require regional solutions. Yeah that's right. One size does not fit all. Not here within the state and certainly not across the country. Things from other states can and should be looked at and I'm sure already have. But it is just patently ignorant to say, "Well gee it works there so it has to work here". While the DEC has many known flaws that they should work on, thank heavens their logic is not that screwed-up as to apply that kind of reasoning.

Location: Schoharie County Name: Jumbo Ladino Clover, Winter Rye Mix - Seedway Brand? At least the Rye was. Purchase location: Tri Valley Crop Supply, Sprakers NY Type: Annual and Perennial Seeding rate: 1 1/2 Bushel Winter Rye and 8 lb of Jumbo Ladino (Broadcast) Planting: August 30, 2014 Purpose: Large "feeder" fields, did (3) 3-4 acre plots total, reclaim fallow land, keep weeds out Soil Prep: 15+ Yo abandoned farmland, cleaned off with dozer and brush hog, disc harrow several times, roundup, disced, limed and 150 lb 6-24-24 fertilizer per acre. Disced again. Broadcast Winter Rye and pulled chain link fence around with quad, then applied clover by hand spreader Soil Type: Clay that holds water well, fairly clear of rocks, heavy organic leaves sticks ect from clearing Ph: WI test kit 6.2 Spread 2 ton of ag lime per acre with wico spreader and quad loaded by hand, 15 ton total! Growing prior: Again, fallow 15+ years, used to be alfalfa fields Upkeep: Fertilized with another 150 lb 6-24-24 in May 2015, mowed down rye in June, mowed again for a few weeds August 2015. Results: Great, Did same thing again this year on another 4 acre plot, but tried medium red clover as they were out of white. Why I like it: My goal was to reclaim fallow cropland, block weeds and attract deer. This combo worked perfect. The deer ate the tender winter rye through the fall and winter giving the clover a chance to develop. Slowly came up in spring so I applied the other half of the recommended fertilizer per the soil test. Crop took off in a month and completely outgrew all weeds. Didn't have to spray with Slay. Mowed down Rye before it turned to seed, then clipped clover once before fall. Deer were actually coming out into the field while I was mowing. Notes: Tried a one bottom plow. Quit after it started to snag old roots and undergrowth. HD box frame disc worked great as only wanted to till the to 4-6 inches. Will begin switching over plots once the ground is restored and clover begins to die off. 1. October 11, 2014 - Month and a half after planting 2. May 8, 2015 - Before second fertilizer application 3. June 26, 2015 - 16" thick clover and Winter Rye before rye was cut down 4. Results - Buck taken as he was heading to new plot 2014 rifle season. Ended up dropping over in the plot 5. Deer in field as I'm clipping the clover

The one buck rule makes sense. That's why we don't have it in NY.