DMP's

[growalot]

Well Just checked the list...8N as usual is getting in the high #'s across the board 78 per sq mile...8X where camp is is lower than last year...high for first...ppreq for second and out of state's get high for first and none for second.... 16.2 per sq mile

I'll never under stand how 8N can be 78 psqm...when 8M and 8P...next door and about the same size are so low with 15.3 and 12.9 psqm.....Then 8J which is nearly twice the size as 8N gets 35 psqm

Edited July 31, 2012 by growalot

[Gthphtm]

I think there quota numbers are a little high for the area where I live,even 1/2 of what they have is still too much.I have not seen that number of deer per sq. mile unless the have some one sitting in one of the farm fields early in the morning and evening counting deer..

[phade]

It's high because the # of tags issued is much larger than the #of tags actualyl filled. It's a relationship allotment.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Could someone post a link on 2012 DMP, thank u.

Edited July 31, 2012 by landtracdeerhunter

[growalot]

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/6403.html

[WNYBuckHunter]

Man I love 8H!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

8H and 7R...both High for First and for Second.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Culvercreek hunt club

[upstaterifle]

I read on the DEC site that you could now get a DMP in northern zone:

"Amend subdivision 6 NYCRR 1.21 ( to read as follows:

( Open season. [southern Zone] DMPs are valid during any [southern Zone] deer hunting season. [Northern Zone DMPs are valid during the Northern Zone regular big game season and during the Northern Zone muzzleloader season following the Northern Zone.".....here is the link to it on the DEC site.

Am I reading this wrong? On the DMP availability and probability map, pretty much the entire northern zone still says NO DMP's available.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

there are a few areas up there that offer them. Has been that way for a while everything in Yellow on the map is not open to DMP's though

Edited July 31, 2012 by Culvercreek hunt club

[upstaterifle]

Thanks Culver. That's what I thought but a friend of mine directed me to the page and we couldn't agree on what it was saying.

[growalot]

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/30409.html

[Pygmy]

Thanks, Growie... I see that 8T is LOW for one permit..That's different.....

I live near the boundary of 8T and 8X and have properties to hunt in both units...

For years I had landowner pref in 8T, but that went away....<<sigh>>....

I guess 8X is the no brainer..I have a non hunting friend who usually gets one in 8T and signs it over to me..Maybe his luck will continue this year..

[Chevy]

DEC trying to kill off so many in 8H,F,G,J,N they might just legalize poaching.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

DEC trying to kill off so many in 8H,F,G,J,N they might just legalize poaching.

You may be right. last year in 8H I don't think they issued all they wanted in even the second go around.

[BizCT]

High in 3N, but I dont shoot does. I don't see many deer (many a handful through the shotgun season), but when I do its usually 50-50 chance its a buck.

[BizCT]

Well Just checked the list...8N as usual is getting in the high #'s across the board 78 per sq mile...8X where camp is is lower than last year...high for first...ppreq for second and out of state's get high for first and none for second.... 16.2 per sq mile

I'll never under stand how 8N can be 78 psqm...when 8M and 8P...next door and about the same size are so low with 15.3 and 12.9 psqm.....Then 8J which is nearly twice the size as 8N gets 35 psqm

DMP Quota Setting

The math involved in setting DMP numbers is actually quite simple, though the process of determining several of the variables in the equation is complex. Here is the essence of the permit setting process:

Step 1. Projected Buck Take X Removal Rate¹= Total # of Adult Does to be Harvested

Step 2. Total # of Adult Does to be Harvested - # Adult Does Taken by Muzzleloader Hunters and Archers and on DMAP tags = Necessary Adult Doe DMP Take

Step 3. Necessary Adult Doe DMP Take ÷ Proportion of Adult Does in DMP Take²= Total Desired DMP Take

Step 4. Total Desired DMP Take ÷ Success Rate of DMPs = Total # of DMPs to Issue

¹ Desired ratio of adult female to adult male deer in harvest

² This accounts for fawns in the DMP take.

The first two variables (projected buck take and removal rate) are the key places where analysis of deer population trends and management action come into play. The other variables are essentially derived from previous harvest data (for example: "Success rate of DMPs" may be a 3 year average), but we can alter these variables if we anticipate some change in how deer are harvested (for example: "#Adult does taken by muzzleloader hunters and archers" could be impacted by a regulation change). The real art and craft to deer management in New York comes through interpreting the data to project the buck take and in determining the appropriate removal rate.

The process of projecting the buck take involves studying trends in buck harvest relative to previous levels of doe harvest and age structures of previous buck and doe harvests. We incorporate several population indices (bowhunter sighting log, damage levels, winter severity) and evaluate herd health and productivity through yearling antler beam diameters and ratios of fawns to adult does in the harvest.

Similarly, determining an appropriate removal rate (ratio of adult does to adult bucks in harvest) requires analyzing trends in buck harvest relative to previous levels of adult doe harvest. We examine this relationship to identify a removal rate that produces stability at a given population level, allowing for neither growth nor reduction in population. The stability-level removal rate is different at different population levels and is strongly influenced by herd productivity. In some high quality habitats of New York, the deer populations can sustain high removal rates of one or more adult doe to every adult buck. In the poorer quality habitats or areas subject to harsh winter conditions, removal rates may be as low as 0.2 adult does to every adult buck. Once we identify a stability-level removal rate, we relate the current population level to the desired level. If the population is currently greater than desired levels, we prescribe a greater-than-stability-level removal rate, and if the population is less than desired levels, then we prescribe a less-than-stability-level removal rate. The magnitude of difference between our prescribed removal rate and the stability level removal rate depends on our management objective. Typically we manage for conservative changes from year to year, trying to minimize dramatic fluctuations in population levels.

While our intentions usually are for conservative changes, severe winters can have dramatic and rapid impacts on deer populations. In fact, the history of New York's deer population is punctuated with periodic winter mortality events, most recently evident in 2003 and 2004. Though we account for the impact of previous winters when setting DMP quotas, we unfortunately cannot anticipate the severity of the upcoming winter. Other mortality factors such as predation, poaching, and deer-vehicle collisions do influence deer populations, but their impact tends to be fairly constant from year to year or at least the variation in their impact is minimal compared to the potential impact of winter mortality and hunter harvest mortality.

[Steuben Jerry]

Low in 8T, but higher in neighboring units? I live in 8T and see does every day.

I'm not in a hurry to try for one, but it seems odd that they are significantly higher in neighboring units.

[growalot]

Thanks Biz...I've read and re read that and sorry IMO that formula has so many holes in it it could be sold as swiss cheese

[BizCT]

Thanks Biz...I've read and re read that and sorry IMO that formula has so many holes in it it could be sold as swiss cheese

If you want venison, I'll sign you over my 2 3N DMP's that I throw out or sign over to someone else every single year anyway.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Biz-R-OWorld

[growalot]

No thanks...I get four doe tags every...always get the two extras on Nov. 1st..one for camp and 3 for home...I have no problem shooting doe if I've seen a good run on our place...but see the problem is I don't see where they account for ppl like one of my neighbors...every year him and his buddy manage to shoot 1-3 doe and NEVER recover them....It's I lost the track...it didn't bleed...I didn't think I hit it....Drives me nuts and actually makes me queasy thinking about it...I dread the phone calls... Hit a doe and it went over.....I've even gone out to help look...Don't get me wrong I know it happens...I've lost a doe or two in my days... but this is crazy....Any how where is the counting of those in there formula...and how are they calculating fawns?... Then whos counting the road kills now that no one picks them up any more...thats still cut out of the budget isn't it? what about the ones that run off and die...and no one claims on insurance?...ect...ect..ect

Edited July 31, 2012 by growalot

[Lawdwaz]

If ONLY we could get Gary Alt to straighten things out in NYS.

[Larry]

goodthing i have 2pp's i hunt 9p

[bubba]

6a no dmp at all this year 6 c pp required. Anyone wanna trade?

[wdswtr]

I read on the DEC site that you could now get a DMP in northern zone:

"Amend subdivision 6 NYCRR 1.21 ( to read as follows:

( Open season. [southern Zone] DMPs are valid during any [southern Zone] deer hunting season. [Northern Zone DMPs are valid during the Northern Zone regular big game season and during the Northern Zone muzzleloader season following the Northern Zone.".....here is the link to it on the DEC site.

Am I reading this wrong? On the DMP availability and probability map, pretty much the entire northern zone still says NO DMP's available.

Dont forget the landowners permits. Cant remember the acreage number to qualify for the DMP but I think its 75. Get one every year for home due to it.

[First-light]

50 acres is the size. Yea that gets me one every year.