Work from home ?

[BizCT]

This is my home office - it's not the kitchen table, the couch watching daytime talk shows, or sitting on the deck watching the family in the pool.... it's a dedicated work area.

 

Similar setup for me




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[Robhuntandfish]

home office ......Spring,Summer and Fall - hopefully one day.....

Edited July 7, 2022 by Robhuntandfish

[sbuff]

1 hour ago, BizCT said:

Unless it’s assembly line type work I don’t see how a certain number of hours like 40 means anything. If you can do your job in 36 and the other guy takes 44. I’d rather your at 36.

Most people working from home still are exempt and not hourly employees. So while they may run some errands or do fun stuff on a Wednesday, they also take a call or have a meeting on Sunday night at 10pm.


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As an engineer , simply put 40hrs isn't enough time in the week  to get everything done . 40hrs is just the  standard we all go by .  Being exempt your pay is still based on the 40hr work week . 

 

[Five Seasons]

I don't think that's the norm at all, and I'd be curious what these kids were making. Are they getting away with it? Probably for now, but those kind of jobs are entry to mid-level jobs and those that slack rarely get recognized and promoted, trust me. I work from home and probably work more hours now than I did in the past because there is no disconnect. I'm just here and there's never enough time in the day to get it all done.

[BizCT]

34 minutes ago, Belo said:

I don't think that's the norm at all, and I'd be curious what these kids were making. Are they getting away with it? Probably for now, but those kind of jobs are entry to mid-level jobs and those that slack rarely get recognized and promoted, trust me. I work from home and probably work more hours now than I did in the past because there is no disconnect. I'm just here and there's never enough time in the day to get it all done.

Maybe your team is too leanly staffed? I get the part about unable to disconnect, but you can also make your meeting at 4pm instead of 3pm if that works better for your personal life. You can have someone overseas work while you're sleeping, etc. Just have to find the right balance and keep everyone happy.

[Five Seasons]

32 minutes ago, BizCT said:

Maybe your team is too leanly staffed? I get the part about unable to disconnect, but you can also make your meeting at 4pm instead of 3pm if that works better for your personal life. You can have someone overseas work while you're sleeping, etc. Just have to find the right balance and keep everyone happy.

It's a little more complicated than that. I have global responsibility, ~20k employees in my business unit 5 directors reporting to me each with their own staff. It's just a big job, but yes the pressure is generally that which I put on myself. But my work ethic is what got me here. I don't work nearly as much in the summer and fall as I do in the shitty winter months.

I will add that my point is that it's harder to disconnect at home than it was at an office. I do flex my time more though. Mow the lawn at lunch, do laundry, water the garden, run an errand if I'm free. But I'm not paid by the hour so that just means I might work later, or if I have a call with China or parts or Europe, earlier. 

[ATbuckhunter]

I just started working remotely one day a week and it’s great. Really there’s work that can be done remotely and work that can’t. Makes no difference if I input patient data at the hospital or at home. It won’t always work out with me since I’ll have to go in to talk to patients, but it is nice. I never looked for remote, but I sure as hell enjoy it.

Biz is also 100% right with the talent pool. I actually got poached from my old job because of it. It’s hard to find good workers so they’ll just offer jobs to people who aren’t even looking some times (like what happened to me). It’s great if you’re willing to move around!


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[BizCT]

1 hour ago, Belo said:

It's a little more complicated than that. I have global responsibility, ~20k employees in my business unit 5 directors reporting to me each with their own staff. It's just a big job, but yes the pressure is generally that which I put on myself. But my work ethic is what got me here. I don't work nearly as much in the summer and fall as I do in the shitty winter months.

I will add that my point is that it's harder to disconnect at home than it was at an office. I do flex my time more though. Mow the lawn at lunch, do laundry, water the garden, run an errand if I'm free. But I'm not paid by the hour so that just means I might work later, or if I have a call with China or parts or Europe, earlier. 

agree. same. just different line of work. I usually get F'd on a US holiday that euro or asia dont recognize.

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[Fletch]

I have worked from home for at least a decade before Covid. I manage 25+ production facilities across the country. Most of my job is on the phone and computer. I am way more efficient from home, less distractions of an office environment. The flexibility in schedule is fantastic. But I also am on call 24/7 pretty much year around. I also can work from anywhere as I will be testing this winter while I snowbird!

[Five Seasons]

13 minutes ago, Fletch said:

I have worked from home for at least a decade before Covid. I manage 25+ production facilities across the country. Most of my job is on the phone and computer. I am way more efficient from home, less distractions of an office environment. The flexibility in schedule is fantastic. But I also am on call 24/7 pretty much year around. I also can work from anywhere as I will be testing this winter while I snowbird!

my situation exactly. Pre-covid with a different company I was driving 35min both ways (on a good day), only to sit in an office. As someone who doesn't have direct site responsibility it really didn't matter except an occasional meeting, which always had virtual attendees as we were spread across the globe. 

[Jeremy K]

I don't know how people sit at a desk all day ,home or away. Props to them ,I would go bonkers .

[hueyjazz]

Remote working is largely dependent on the job.  For many companies it's a goldmine for not having to sink capital into real estate and infrastructure.  However, for many companies this is new, and they haven't figured out how to manage remotely if they knew how to manage in the first place.

And even with this being said, it's not a big surprise that quite a few get away with doing very little work-related activities in a cube farm.  And a lot of this is motivation.

I find professional and crafts people are motivated by accomplishment.  Hourly people there just to do tasks or assembly tend to be clock watchers and just there for the paycheck.  But I will admit, if my job was unfulfilling, I bet I would suck at it.

 

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[Lawdwaz]

6 hours ago, mowin said:

Obviously her supervisors feel differently. 

For now they do……..

[BizCT]

1 hour ago, Jeremy K said:

I don't know how people sit at a desk all day ,home or away. Props to them ,I would go bonkers .

You can be standing desk guy! there's a little button on all office desks that raise and lower the desk

[BizCT]

1 hour ago, Belo said:

my situation exactly. Pre-covid with a different company I was driving 35min both ways (on a good day), only to sit in an office. As someone who doesn't have direct site responsibility it really didn't matter except an occasional meeting, which always had virtual attendees as we were spread across the globe. 

surely, you left out the train part and walking. you mean 35 min car drive, 5 min walk to train, 75 min train ride, then 15 min walk from train to work, 3 min elevator ride upstairs

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[crappyice]

I don't know how people sit at a desk all day ,home or away. Props to them ,I would go bonkers .

I don't even know what my two best friends (both lawyers) do all day besides make a lot of money! When I ask they say, they read a lot and write some. Sounds like 2nd and 3rd grade to me!


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[BizCT]

28 minutes ago, crappyice said:

I don't even know what my two best friends (both lawyers) do all day besides make a lot of money! When I ask they say, they read a lot and write some. Sounds like 2nd and 3rd grade to me!


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The Billable Hour is NOT Dead. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/big-law-rates-topping-2-000-leave-value-in-eye-of-beholder

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Edited July 7, 2022 by BizCT

[Five Seasons]

2 hours ago, Jeremy K said:

I don't know how people sit at a desk all day ,home or away. Props to them ,I would go bonkers .

money

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, hueyjazz said:

Remote working is largely dependent on the job.  For many companies it's a goldmine for not having to sink capital into real estate and infrastructure.  However, for many companies this is new, and they haven't figured out how to manage remotely if they knew how to manage in the first place.

And even with this being said, it's not a big surprise that quite a few get away with doing very little work-related activities in a cube farm.  And a lot of this is motivation.

I find professional and crafts people are motivated by accomplishment.  Hourly people there just to do tasks or assembly tend to be clock watchers and just there for the paycheck.  But I will admit, if my job was unfulfilling, I bet I would suck at it.

 

What i've seen at my company and my former companies is that they are brining back the entry to mid-level workers for exactly this reason. They can't seem to manage the trust and work. But many executives and senior leaders are staying home. Like I said earlier, we have jobs that just need to be done regardless of when and where we are and typically have earned the trust to manger our time, which often includes some nights and weekends.  We're also either on the road or in meetings most of the day, which is very different than a customer support specialist or inventory manager, hr generalist etc. 

[moog5050]

16 minutes ago, BizCT said:

The Billable Hour is NOT Dead. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/big-law-rates-topping-2-000-leave-value-in-eye-of-beholder

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Funny story on rates.  I had a matter that after many years of litigation finally appeared to be heading to US Supreme Court - I was sure it would get there.  My client loved me and wanted me to stay working on it, but also wanted a US Supreme Court specialist after we got past the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.   Enter Paul Clement - he is the man if you are arguing before SCOTUS.  You all might know him from the recent 2nd amendment case that he won - https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-new-york-bruen/index.html

Anyways, as I am talking to Paul about co-counseling the case with me, he says his rate is $2000/hr.  Even I was a bit shocked at that.  I was thinking $1000 maybe $1300.  We agreed to a flat fee through the petition for cert.  Good guy by the way and he left Kirkland Ellis due to the fallout from his win on the 2nd amendment case.  But yes, rates continue to rise.  And all us hourly lawyers are simply hourly workers - so we can't work 2 hour days.  Then again, we are worth every penny!  lol

[BizCT]

1 minute ago, moog5050 said:

Funny story on rates.  I had a matter that after many years of litigation finally appeared to be heading to US Supreme Court - I was sure it would get there.  My client loved me and wanted me to stay working on it, but also wanted a US Supreme Court specialist after we got past the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.   Enter Paul Clement - he is the man if you are arguing before SCOTUS.  You all might know him from the recent 2nd amendment case that he won - https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-new-york-bruen/index.html

Anyways, as I am talking to Paul about co-counseling the case with me, he says his rate is $2000/hr.  Even I was a bit shocked at that.  I was thinking $1000 maybe $1300.  We agreed to a flat fee through the petition for cert.  Good guy by the way and he left Kirkland Ellis due to the fallout from his win on the 2nd amendment case.  But yes, rates continue to rise.  And all us hourly lawyers are simply hourly workers - so we can't work 2 hour days.  Then again, we are worth every penny!  lol

Neat!

[Lawdwaz]

54 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Funny story on rates.  I had a matter that after many years of litigation finally appeared to be heading to US Supreme Court - I was sure it would get there.  My client loved me and wanted me to stay working on it, but also wanted a US Supreme Court specialist after we got past the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.   Enter Paul Clement - he is the man if you are arguing before SCOTUS.  You all might know him from the recent 2nd amendment case that he won - https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-guns-second-amendment-new-york-bruen/index.html

Anyways, as I am talking to Paul about co-counseling the case with me, he says his rate is $2000/hr.  Even I was a bit shocked at that.  I was thinking $1000 maybe $1300.  We agreed to a flat fee through the petition for cert.  Good guy by the way and he left Kirkland Ellis due to the fallout from his win on the 2nd amendment case.  But yes, rates continue to rise.  And all us hourly lawyers are simply hourly workers - so we can't work 2 hour days.  Then again, we are worth every penny!  lol

I know you can’t say anything but I am guessing that you are representing Burmuda John in the ongoing SWAG/HNY shirt lawsuit?

[moog5050]

1 minute ago, Lawdwaz said:

I know you can’t say anything but I am guessing that you are representing Burmuda John in the ongoing SWAG/HNY shirt lawsuit?

I can neither confirm nor deny my representation of Bermuda John or anyone else in connection with HNY SWAG, according my to my marketing group.    I can say that I now have a pair of wonderful darn tough socks and am in need of peanut brittle.  HINT  HINT!

[Dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, Lawdwaz said:

I know you can’t say anything but I am guessing that you are representing Burmuda John in the ongoing SWAG/HNY shirt lawsuit?

Asking a lawyer for the truth. HaHaHa

 

I did a big renovation for a  lawyer involved with takeovers.

He would call the home office to give his hours to bill that week. It would add up to a 100 or more. Basically hed play golf with other lawyers and that was the extent of his negotiations. It was great, always got paid no questions, good client.

 

[BizCT]

46 minutes ago, Dinsdale said:

Asking a lawyer for the truth. HaHaHa

 

I did a big renovation for a  lawyer involved with takeovers.

He would call the home office to give his hours to bill that week. It would add up to a 100 or more. Basically hed play golf with other lawyers and that was the extent of his negotiations. It was great, always got paid no questions, good client.

 

what's a few million dollars amongst friends, right?