This site?

[Shoots100]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

It bothers me to hear anyone here celebrating the fact that some of the more controversial members are now gone. Yes, I know there are some that work at being controversial, but some of those people have also been responsible for the site maintaining opposing viewpoints that provided a complete discussion of the issues that we outdoors-people frequently encounter. This site grew from controversy. I have watched what has made this site become one of the most outstanding NYS hunting and fishing forums from the day of its inception to its high point. I have watched the place grow from nothing, and I know what made this forum work. It would be a shame to have the site neutered because people become afraid to express their opinions, feeling they will be labeled as "pot-stirrers" and such.

The site has lost some of it's spirit and interest lately. Maybe we could use a little pot-stirring. Let's not choose to run away like others have done, but let's also be a bit more tolerant of opposing opinions and even encourage discussion and controversy.

I totally agree with you, except for the fact that most of the pot stirrers that left were the ones calling for the banning and censoring of other members when their lies were challenged with facts, also breaking several rules and then crying like babies when they were put into time out.

You can only have a discussion of opposing viewpoints with adults, so the cry babies started another site and I wish them well.

I would also like to see a growing membership, but it is what it is.

 

 

[New York Hillbilly]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

It bothers me to hear anyone here celebrating the fact that some of the more controversial members are now gone.

To each his own I guess. I for one don't miss the non stop name calling, trolling, and general nastiness the so called "controversial" ex-members displayed against  anyone they determined to be outside their clique. 

Talk about spinning the narrative. Let's remember what really happened here. For the past several years, throughout Trump and Covid, the Trump haters and self proclaimed medical experts spewed their utter nonsense and attacked anyone who did not bow to their expertise and infinite knowledge. 

So how did that all work out for them?  How much of their expert medical advice and opinion related to Covid prove to be correct? How is the country doing now with Orangeman gone? Quite a bit of egg on the face! Well that is if the egg shortage is over. 

As far as I'm concerned; the "site" became a convenient excuse for a select mouthy few to bail out and drag any supporters with them, before having to face the music for being revealed for being so wrong on so much. It was like someone breaking wind in the supermarket aisle then running to the other aisle.

But then again, what the hell do I know? Like everything else I was told was not really happening over the past 3 1/2 years, it's probably just another conspiracy theory. 

 

3 hours ago, Doc said:

It would be a shame to have the site neutered because people become afraid to express their opinions, feeling they will be labeled as "pot-stirrers" and such.

I would suggest this site is a lot more accepting of differing opinions now than it was prior to the exodus. 

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Let's not choose to run away like others have done, but let's also be a bit more tolerant of opposing opinions and even encourage discussion and controversy.

From the way it looked to me, nobody "ran away" for fear of expressing their opinions. They talked about how bad this site was, that it was going to fail or disappear, and how great things would be once they all met at their new promise land. They chose to leave. Let's not now rewrite history and turn them into victims! 

[fasteddie]

Several , who left , still come back to see what is going on with the hopes that this site has failed . Just keep posting . There have been a lot of GUESTS poking around . If only the site owner cared enough to come around , we might be able to have some of these guests become members .

[PraiseDiana]

For what it's worth I read and enjoy both sites 

[Four Seasons]

5 hours ago, Shoots100 said:

I totally agree with you, except for the fact that most of the pot stirrers that left were the ones calling for the banning and censoring of other members when their lies were challenged with facts, also breaking several rules and then crying like babies when they were put into time out.

You can only have a discussion of opposing viewpoints with adults, so the cry babies started another site and I wish them well.

I would also like to see a growing membership, but it is what it is.

 

 

Great Post. No truer words spoken. There has not been one episode of anyone getting their panties in a bunch since they all left.  And Bill you were the loudest person telling everyone how this place sucked and would disappear and the other site would be so much better. Well how did that work out for ya?  I saw your hands get slapped a few times over there by the what 7-8-9 mods they have for just disagreeing with someone. All that site is made up of is by the ones that left here. Good for them. This site is so much better now !!!

[Four Seasons]

4 hours ago, New York Hillbilly said:

To each his own I guess. I for one don't miss the non stop name calling, trolling, and general nastiness the so called "controversial" ex-members displayed against  anyone they determined to be outside their clique. 

Talk about spinning the narrative. Let's remember what really happened here. For the past several years, throughout Trump and Covid, the Trump haters and self proclaimed medical experts spewed their utter nonsense and attacked anyone who did not bow to their expertise and infinite knowledge. 

So how did that all work out for them?  How much of their expert medical advice and opinion related to Covid prove to be correct? How is the country doing now with Orangeman gone? Quite a bit of egg on the face! Well that is if the egg shortage is over. 

As far as I'm concerned; the "site" became a convenient excuse for a select mouthy few to bail out and drag any supporters with them, before having to face the music for being revealed for being so wrong on so much. It was like someone breaking wind in the supermarket aisle then running to the other aisle.

But then again, what the hell do I know? Like everything else I was told was not really happening over the past 3 1/2 years, it's probably just another conspiracy theory. 

 

I would suggest this site is a lot more accepting of differing opinions now than it was prior to the exodus. 

From the way it looked to me, nobody "ran away" for fear of expressing their opinions. They talked about how bad this site was, that it was going to fail or disappear, and how great things would be once they all met at their new promise land. They chose to leave. Let's not now rewrite history and turn them into victims! 

Great post. All Facts!!!  This site is much better without the clique. If you notice that site is all the same people, not growing really at all and full of pop ups. No Thanks!  

[GreeneHunter]

7 hours ago, PraiseDiana said:

For what it's worth I read and enjoy both sites 

Same here !

[DirtTime]

Not everyone ran away, some of us had stopped posting much here before the new forum was even created.

 

Something to consider, and I've said this on the other forum as well:

Stop all the hen pecking. This silly forum war is like those movies and TV shows with all the old ladies sitting around the hair salon with those things on their head worrying about and gossiping about the shop across the road. It's not making either site look good. The bottom line is if you don't care what's up "over there" then stop going over there (said that "over there" about ripping on "here" too ). It's pretty petty.

 

Let it go people, just let it go!

 

Go outside and do something worthy of posting here and maybe people will reply. The hunting posts bottomed out when the other forum started, something else to think about.. << Lightbulb Meme>>

[Four Seasons]

3 hours ago, DirtTime said:

Not everyone ran away, some of us had stopped posting much here before the new forum was even created.

 

Something to consider, and I've said this on the other forum as well:

Stop all the hen pecking. This silly forum war is like those movies and TV shows with all the old ladies sitting around the hair salon with those things on their head worrying about and gossiping about the shop across the road. It's not making either site look good. The bottom line is if you don't care what's up "over there" then stop going over there (said that "over there" about ripping on "here" too ). It's pretty petty.

 

Let it go people, just let it go!

 

Go outside and do something worthy of posting here and maybe people will reply. The hunting posts bottomed out when the other forum started, something else to think about.. << Lightbulb Meme>>

The trade off is well worth it. Less posts and less bull !!!

[blackbeltbill]

13 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Great Post. No truer words spoken. There has not been one episode of anyone getting their panties in a bunch since they all left.  And Bill you were the loudest person telling everyone how this place sucked and would disappear and the other site would be so much better. Well how did that work out for ya?  I saw your hands get slapped a few times over there by the what 7-8-9 mods they have for just disagreeing with someone. All that site is made up of is by the ones that left here. Good for them. This site is so much better now !!!

Since you used my Name and are looking to argue obviously  I will reply.

   Many Left chiefly because of you...  It is your Attitude.  Worse then Brash and seemingly always Angry at everything.

   I have no time for it . Not many reactions here- but a " Laughing Face"  will get my point across plainly as your endless Angry Quotes when you are Bored will start up again. 

  You should have been Banned Long ago.....

   

 

[Four Seasons]

29 minutes ago, blackbeltbill said:

Since you used my Name and are looking to argue obviously  I will reply.

   Many Left chiefly because of you...  It is your Attitude.  Worse then Brash and seemingly always Angry at everything.

   I have no time for it . Not many reactions here- but a " Laughing Face"  will get my point across plainly as your endless Angry Quotes when you are Bored will start up again. 

  You should have been Banned Long ago.....

   

 

One only has to go back and look at your posts about this site to see the truths. And don’t you sound the fool here seeing though that since all the gang of war has left there has not been one single disagreement let alone an argument on this site. So once again shows your cluelessness. Funny how you think a guy that has been on this site for I dont know maybe like 15 years should be banned. Do you have any you-tube hunts of other peoples hunts you would like to share here?   Again!                                                                                 By the way,  how did the self proclaimed famous Turkey hunters year go again this spring?  

Edited June 1 by Four Seasons

[fasteddie]

Settle down guys ........ No need to get back to bickering . 

Where's Rodney King when we need him ? " Can't we all just get along " !

 

[Grouse]

There is nothing wrong with a civil debate.  In fact, that is how discussions actually resolve issues.

It's when debates turn into personal attacks that add no evidence to the side one is arguing that things become unacceptable and corrosive.  There is a distinct lack of that type of thing on this site lately.  I never thought I'd see that happen here.

[First-light]

My thoughts we are on borrowed time. Site is paid up to a certain point then done. I'm cool hanging on and hope this doesn't happen. Who knows just carry on!!! 

A website cannot remain online forever without having its domain renewed. The domain is what tells the server where to find the website, and without it, the website cannot be found. The owner should make sure that the domain name is renewed in a timely manner.

Many old abandoned websites are still up because the domain has not expired yet. The owners may have forgotten to renew it, or they may have deliberately allowed it to expire. In either case, the hosting service will eventually take the website down.

A domain name can be renewed for 1, 3, 5, 10, or even unlimited years. 

 

 

 

 

[Four Seasons]

6 hours ago, Grouse said:

There is nothing wrong with a civil debate.  In fact, that is how discussions actually resolve issues.

It's when debates turn into personal attacks that add no evidence to the side one is arguing that things become unacceptable and corrosive.  There is a distinct lack of that type of thing on this site lately.  I never thought I'd see that happen here.

Exactly.  And nobody can dispute the fact that when the so called crowd that were the only ones keeping this place afloat left there has not been any of the other useless banter. I would much rather see a slower site with less posts than a site like was here before. And one look will tell you that nobody is busting down the doors to try and join that so called great replacement site. 

[Grouse]

All of that is in the past now though.  I prefer to assess the site we now have for what it's worth and concentrate on what goes on here.  Let's keep this one going as much as we can and forget about what was and who is, by choice, gone.

[Doc]

I was off doing other things when all this stuff happened, so I probably have no business commenting on any of this. But you can imagine the shock when I heard bits and pieces about all of what has been going on here.

But I can tell you that pot-stirring and heated emotional responses and such are not something new here and any other forums. It all goes hand-in-hand with expressing opinions. Many of you have no idea how crazy things can get when outdoors people get together to express opinions. Talk about emotional and anger and lack of civility......ha-ha-ha. Over the 13 years that I have been on this site, I saw some of the greatest growth in membership and activity happen when we had the most bitter controversies raging. Things were pretty darn lively and interesting here, to the point where people were logging on every day just to see how the war was going. That is why I found it hard to believe that anything or anyone could cause the kind of upheaval that I have seen on my return here.

But like I said, I was not here when all this took place, so I guess I don't have a lot to say other than trying to get up to speed on what all has happened.

 

[blackbeltbill]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

I was off doing other things when all this stuff happened, so I probably have no business commenting on any of this. But you can imagine the shock when I heard bits and pieces about all of what has been going on here.

But I can tell you that pot-stirring and heated emotional responses and such are not something new here and any other forums. It all goes hand-in-hand with expressing opinions. Many of you have no idea how crazy things can get when outdoors people get together to express opinions. Talk about emotional and anger and lack of civility......ha-ha-ha. Over the 13 years that I have been on this site, I saw some of the greatest growth in membership and activity happen when we had the most bitter controversies raging. Things were pretty darn lively and interesting here, to the point where people were logging on every day just to see how the war was going. That is why I found it hard to believe that anything or anyone could cause the kind of upheaval that I have seen on my return here.

But like I said, I was not here when all this took place, so I guess I don't have a lot to say other than trying to get up to speed on what all has happened.

 

Almost like a Monthly Gun Club Meeting! I remember Heated Meetings from the time,I joined the Monroe-Chester Sportsman's Club at age 14 way back in 1974.

   Those were the most attended Meetings when a subject to be discussed was put out in a letter to the membership a full Month before the Meeting. 

   I remember  back in the early 1980s the MCSC had the huge opportunity  to Lease over 1,000 Acres of prime Black Dirt for Deer Hunting. A new Pheasant Preserve would be there as well. After Heated Discussions for 2 Meetings- the 3rd Meeting would have all " attending " members voting on - Yes- raise the Dues some and acquire  this Awesome Land or- No- we don't  want any more Hunting Land.

  So the Thrusday Monthly Meeting which stated at 8pm with a Pledge of Allegiance  to our Flag- had members arriving a full 2 hours before. All 60 or so chairs were taken. Members were standing everywhere including behind the President who spoke from the front Table.

    And,I knew how the Vote would go as the Pistol Shooters- many who did not Hunt at all packed the Meeting.

  Voted Down. Hunting Members were outnumbered.

  There were Heated encounters  after that Vote. The President hit the Gavel down - declared the meeting over and ordered the room cleared.

  Then,I remember  Monthly Summer Meetings with nothing going on and perhaps 25 mostly retired members snoozing through what everyone up front had to say. -- Skeet Committee-- Nothing to report this Month..

   Wish,I was still a member.  I had 35 years in and 10 years to go before Life + Free Membership. Dues just kept rising yearly. I believe  that is one Reason Public Lands are Packed to the Gills Today with Hunters.

[cas]

Any site that can't accept new members dies. Some slowly, some quickly.  Sadly been through it before on MUCH MUCH bigger forums than this one. Just the way it is. People move on, lose interest , pass away. The slow down only makes more people leave.  Sucked watching the ship sink from the inside, had all the admin controls except for the ability to fix the registration problem (third and fourth party software issues)

The fact that people can't join adds to disgust, and bad mouthing of the forum. Even if it's reformed elsewhere in a new form with the old name, people are resistant to join. Again, having seen it first hand. 

[cas]

Heck just the fact that I can't post from Firefox pisses me off.  I never remember until it doesn't work, then I have to open a different browser to finish what I typed.

 

And when I do finally get it to go, it double taps like this. (and all my recent posts)   #@^%@*#!

Edited June 3 by cas

[Doc]

17 hours ago, cas said:

Any site that can't accept new members dies. Some slowly, some quickly.  Sadly been through it before on MUCH MUCH bigger forums than this one. Just the way it is. People move on, lose interest , pass away. The slow down only makes more people leave.  Sucked watching the ship sink from the inside, had all the admin controls except for the ability to fix the registration problem (third and fourth party software issues)

The fact that people can't join adds to disgust, and bad mouthing of the forum. Even if it's reformed elsewhere in a new form with the old name, people are resistant to join. Again, having seen it first hand. 

Is it a fact that no new members can join this site? Do we need Burmjohn here to accept new members? If that is the case, then I agree, the site is doomed. But I am not sure that is the case. I am curious as to whether we still have new members joining recently. Our site Owner has been MIA for a long time. Have we not had any new members since then?.....just a question.

[fasteddie]

As far as I know , the site owner is the only person who can okay new members . I believe WNYBuckhunter was trying to have burmjohn let him okay new members but that never happened . Burmjohn has been busy on facebook showing off his pristine lawn . 

[grampy]

There is absolutely no competition between sites. It is what it is. Everyone can come and go as they please. I visit both. Some great folks here and there. Have no issues with anyone. Well...............maybe Mayor McCheese. But some things will always remain the same.

[Four Seasons]

2 hours ago, grampy said:

There is absolutely no competition between sites. It is what it is. Everyone can come and go as they please. I visit both. Some great folks here and there. Have no issues with anyone. Well...............maybe Mayor McCheese. But some things will always remain the same.

Yeah because so called adults find it necessary to say childish shit. Glad you still fit that mold. Notice how peaceful it is around these parts now that only adults post on here anymore?  Point Proven!!

[grampy]

15 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Yeah because so called adults find it necessary to say childish shit. Glad you still fit that mold. Notice how peaceful it is around these parts now that only adults post on here anymore?  Point Proven!!

Nice to see you still haven't changed either mayor.