How does this happen ?

[the blur]

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/man-mistakes-father-for-deer-kills-him-during-thanksgiving-day-hunt-cops-say-1.12667550

 

I'm sorry, there is no resemblance between man & deer.   Absolutely just NONE.   Throw away the key.

 

 

[phillifan22]

After reading it, doesn't seem too accidental to me. A scoped rifle at 100 yards when he "heard a deer"...4:40 (just getting dark)...hit in the chest? You'd have to see that's not a deer. Just an opinion though...


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[CharlieNY]

This is oh so sad. My condolences to the family. With that being said, some basic safety rules were ignored resulting in this tragedy, along with a possible violation of legal hunting times. Let's all strictly follow the safety rules and be safe out there. There is no deer or game out there that is worth endangering a human life over. Be sure and be safe.

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http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/11/son_fatally_shoots_father_in_thanksgiving_day_hunting_accident.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Edited November 25, 2016 by CharlieNY
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[ATbuckhunter]

Ill be honest, in the right circumstances people can look like deer for a quick second. One day back in 09, my father was walking to his stand around 10 am and when he crossed in front of me about 100 yards he actually did look like a deer for a second at a distance. Now that was only for a split second and I easily realized he wasnt one, but some people don't have the best eye sight and shoot at anything that looks like a deer. People also get that adrenaline pumping so hard that they don't think clearly and shoot at movement. It can definitely happen...especially to people who don't pay attention so well. 

[turkeyfeathers]

ATbuckhunter.  Even wearing a brown Carhart and antlers nobody should "look" like a deer. adrenaline or not. People getting shot mistaken for a deer is so sad. But also there are so many idiots in this world on the other side of the coin. Been hunting from ground blind we built. Orange hats and vests get hung outside the blind as they don't do us any good in the blind. We leave the blind , we put on the orange.  This year seems to be terrible in accidental shootings. Sad 

[growalot]

Sorry I'm with phillyfan on this one...that read does not sound accidental...time will tell. Sad and sickening all the way around  and condolences to the Family.  Lets see this is for Sandy Creek NY

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23 Twi: 6:37am Sunrise: 7:08am Sunset: 4:33pm Twi: 5:05pm

24 Twi: 6:38am Sunrise: 7:10am Sunset: 4:32pm Twi: 5:04pm

25 Twi: 6:39am Sunrise: 7:11am Sunset: 4:32pm Twi: 5:03pm

 No orange was mentioned and a scoped rifle???? Ya I have some fair hearing, but I do not hear deer at 100 yards in less they are plowing through the woods...

[cynthiafu]

I would think the rifle had a scope too but who knows. It doesn't sound right to me

[ATbuckhunter]

31 minutes ago, turkeyfeathers said:

ATbuckhunter.  Even wearing a brown Carhart and antlers nobody should "look" like a deer. adrenaline or not. People getting shot mistaken for a deer is so sad. But also there are so many idiots in this world on the other side of the coin. Been hunting from ground blind we built. Orange hats and vests get hung outside the blind as they don't do us any good in the blind. We leave the blind , we put on the orange.  This year seems to be terrible in accidental shootings. Sad 

Obviously you don't "look" like a deer, but we all know that we jump to thoughts of deer when we see movement. I don't disagree with anything you said at all. We have a responsibility as hunters to clearly distinguish what we are looking at before we shoot. But like you said, there are some real idiots hunting.

[fasteddie]

Most rifles are scoped . If you can't tell a man from a deer looking through a scope , you shouldn't be hunting !

And .... before some one replies that all rifles don't have scopes , I havn't seen any rifle hunters without one . It's also handy to carry binos with you . Sunset in Sandy Creek was 4:31 today and might have been 4:32 or 4:31 yesterday . To me , this reinforces not stretching the shooting time past sundown . 

[BowmanMike]

That is too crazy. No person looks like a deer and how can you shoot at something without knowing what you are shooting at? There are other things in the woods besides deer.

Sounds fishy to me...

[Big_Bean_Dog]

In my Mind it is completely irresponsible to shoot without being 100% sure of one's target. There are too many donkey orifices out there who don't wait until they are sure. I know because years ago, I was almost on the wrong end of a hunters shot.

I feel for the family and friends who now live with consequences of this incident.

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

This is sad. 4:31 is just crazy as far as having to stop hunting as its far from being dark. Many things went south here and its just to bad. A scope and plenty of light just adds up to not knowing your target.

[BizCT]

Sounds like murder, nothing else.


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[Nomad]

Article says " around " 4:40 not all hunters wear a Rolex like myself .

Friend out west tells of a river by him where locals would hit a person over the head with a rock and push them into the river . They'd joke " take him fishing " as a way to murder someone there . 

Hey shoot a guy hunting maybe lose your license a couple years .

[Buckstopshere]

One other perspective. Years ago, I took an old neighbor gobbler hunting. He had shot many gobblers...but he was 80 years old and his eyesight and hearing were just about gone, but I did not know they were as bad as they were. He talked a great game. I called in a tom, right to him. He never saw it or heard it. Moral of the story...old people can have such deteriorated senses...anything is possible.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Buckstopshere

[fasteddie]

12 minutes ago, Buckstopshere said:

One other perspective. Years ago, I took an old neighbor gobbler hunting. He had shot many gobblers...but he was 80 years old and his eyesight and hearing were just about gone, but I did not know they were as bad as they were. He talked a great game. I called in a tom, right to him. He never saw it or heard it. Moral of the story...old people can have such deteriorated senses...anything is possible.

Well , the old guy in the report that shot his father was 24 years old 

[LetEmGrow]

Yeah, it may be possible that a person can look like a deer for a split second but that has nothing to do with finding the crease, which is you next objective.  

At 24 years old and in low light conditions he must have decided to just start blasting.  What a shame.  I can only imagine what it is like to be him right now. 

[Deerstalker]

4 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Most rifles are scoped . If you can't tell a man from a deer looking through a scope , you shouldn't be hunting !

And .... before some one replies that all rifles don't have scopes , I havn't seen any rifle hunters without one . It's also handy to carry binos with you . Sunset in Sandy Creek was 4:31 today and might have been 4:32 or 4:31 yesterday . To me , this reinforces not stretching the shooting time past sundown . 

I dont use a scope when i hunt with my shotgun but i carry binoculars .

But seriously how the hell do you mistake  human for deer for that matter.

? Was the guy on drugs ? Or he did in on purpose ? Did the guy have orange on .

Yea, funny how he manage to hit him  right in the chest from 100 yards away  seems like a well aimed shot  one you would have to take your time to get off and  specially on a, moving target .

Edited November 26, 2016 by Deerstalker

[Adkhunter1590]

I will never understand accidents like these. I just can't fathom not being sure of your target. I have to analyze the hell out of everything I intend to shoot. I have really good eye sight but even at 100 yards I'm pulling up binos or a scope if I can to check out what I'm about to fire upon. I've had friends, family and even trespassers walk through the woods to me and never once did I think it could be a deer for more than .3 seconds. How anyone can teach someone firearm and hunting safety without beating it into their heads not to shoot unless your sure is beyond me. I know my boys will be taught the way I was, and if I ever see them do anything stupid I'll whip their asses and revoke gun privileges.

[Elmo]

I don't know if a person can "look like a deer for a split second" but I would never shoot at a deer in a split second anyway.  I don't know how some people hunt but every game animal except for upland birds, I'll have the crosshairs one them for some time controlling my breathing before I even pull the trigger and that's not even counting the minutes of watching the animal come into view before even putting the cross hairs on it.

[ATbuckhunter]

9 minutes ago, Elmo said:

I don't know if a person can "look like a deer for a split second" but I would never shoot at a deer in a split second anyway.  I don't know how some people hunt but every game animal except for upland birds, I'll have the crosshairs one them for some time controlling my breathing before I even pull the trigger and that's not even counting the minutes of watching the animal come into view before even putting the cross hairs on it.

I should clarify what I was trying to say. Many times I spot deer by just seeing movement so when I see a flash of movement I think its maybe a deer. By the time you can say deer, I had already realized it wasn't one. Now I don't even grab my gun until I think its a deer I would be interested in harvesting. Like I (as well as many others here have) said, we should all be clearly identifying our target before we even raise the gun to shoot. 

[wooly]

I remember an archery hunt I was on about 10 years or more ago.

 

As I was walking out from my blind, I spotted two deer browsing along an overgrown goldenrod edge of the trail along a creek about 30-40yds away.

I kneeled down and nocked an arrow.

 

A short time later, I noticed the tall weeds along the edge moving in the direction of the trail where I would be able to get a shot around 20yds where it would step out to cross.

JUST as the deer was about 2 steps from making himself visible I drew my bow in anticipation of the shot...... BUT nothing ever stepped out. It was like it had vanished into thin air.

 

I stayed still for a while before I decided to stalk my way closer.

I approached where the deer would step out and looked around but didn't see anything in or along the edge.

When I turned to walk away there was a giant snapping turtle laying on the trail that was the culprit knocking down all the weeds pretending to be an approaching deer.

 

Sometimes your mind fills in the blanks when anticipation is building. We need to be aware of the fact that even though we are aware of safety procedures, none of us are immune to making mistakes in judgement while afield. The most dangerous hunter IMO is the guy that thinks he's not capable of misidentifying his intended target or having a poor judgement moment.

[jperch]

30 minutes ago, wooly said:

 

Thank you for writing this Wooly, my thoughts exactly.  I have no idea how this particular situation occurred and won't speculate.  There will be a thorough investigation, I am sure.  Complacency is probably the cause of many, if not most, hunting accidents.  Using tree stands, not wearing orange, deer drives, etc, all carry some element of risk.  There seems to be less accidents in recent years than in the past but we must always keep safety as priority one.

 

 

"Sometimes your mind fills in the blanks when anticipation is building. We need to be aware of the fact that even though we are aware of safety procedures, none of us are immune to making mistakes in judgement while afield. The most dangerous hunter IMO is the guy that thinks he's not capable of misidentifying his intended target or having a poor judgement moment."

 

[Adkhunter1590]

Kinda like this? Would kinda more go along with guys shooting before legal light. But same idea

[Deerstalker]

2 hours ago, wooly said:

I remember an archery hunt I was on about 10 years or more ago.

 

As I was walking out from my blind, I spotted two deer browsing along an overgrown goldenrod edge of the trail along a creek about 30-40yds away.

I kneeled down and nocked an arrow.

 

A short time later, I noticed the tall weeds along the edge moving in the direction of the trail where I would be able to get a shot around 20yds where it would step out to cross.

JUST as the deer was about 2 steps from making himself visible I drew my bow in anticipation of the shot...... BUT nothing ever stepped out. It was like it had vanished into thin air.

 

I stayed still for a while before I decided to stalk my way closer.

I approached where the deer would step out and looked around but didn't see anything in or along the edge.

When I turned to walk away there was a giant snapping turtle laying on the trail that was the culprit knocking down all the weeds pretending to be an approaching deer.

 

Sometimes your mind fills in the blanks when anticipation is building. We need to be aware of the fact that even though we are aware of safety procedures, none of us are immune to making mistakes in judgement while afield. The most dangerous hunter IMO is the guy that thinks he's not capable of misidentifying his intended target or having a poor judgement moment.

I dont no about that , i mean i have hunted same spot for hours and hours and after you look out in the woods for so long the rocks the stumps  off in the distance start to  look like deer .   your eyes can start playing tricks on you, but i never got to the point . Where i  actually rased my gun or shot at a stump or rock .

I look with my binoculars and wait patiently  untill i no what the hell im looking at .  And these are objectes that are colored similar to a deer . Now if someone has orange on seems inposible to think its a deer off in the distance and even camo is totally different than the color of a deer too now that  I think about it. And the gun a Hunter would be carrying would definitely stick out as not being a deer .