Biden - Harris will be coming for our guns

[rob-c]

25 minutes ago, Chef said:

One guy has destroyed the worlds view of America, put policies in place that help
The super rich, lies about everything. Plays golf more than any president ever has.


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Actually Woodrow Wilson holds the title as most golf played by a president. 
Lies about everything . 

Edited August 27, 2020 by rob-c

[Robhuntandfish]

If Biden becomes president i actually hope he takes up golf.  and a lot of it.  Less time in the white house.  lol 

and my question for Chef still stands here.......and Biden is the fix?? 

Not a Trump guy but thats my other choice??  Its like a bad game of would you rather.....

And yes i am campaigning for Mike Rowe for president!

 

[Steuben Jerry]

2 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

And yes i am campaigning for Mike Rowe for president!

My vote doesn't matter in New York. I'll write him in!

[rob-c]

5 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

If Biden becomes president i actually hope he takes up golf.  and a lot of it.  Less time in the white house.  lol 

and my question for Chef still stands here.......and Biden is the fix?? 

Not a Trump guy but thats my other choice??  Its like a bad game of would you rather.....

And yes i am campaigning for Mike Rowe for president!

 

I’d vote him in no problem.

[ApexerER]

40 minutes ago, Chef said:

One guy has destroyed the worlds view of America, put policies in place that help
The super rich, lies about everything. Plays golf more than any president ever has.


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Let me guess....Obama?

[Chef]

My vote doesn't matter in New York. I'll write him in!

Let me ask you this because it’s a idea I tossed around with a few friends. If Biden has picked a republican as his running mate and said let’s run on a unity platform to try and re unite the country can come back to the middle.

Would you have Considered that


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[Versatile_Hunter]

1 hour ago, NonTypical said:

Who do you think is pulling Biden’s strings? He sure doesn’t have any ideas of his own. He doesn’t even know where he is most of the time. And if you think for a minute that Harris isn’t going to be in charge if they win, you need a reality check. 

Don’t get me wrong, Biden is a Democrat and I unapologetically support him. But you’re right, everyone at that level is beholden to the special interest groups that ultimately fund their campaigns. This speaks more towards the need for campaign finance reform than it does for the viability of one candidate over the other. With Biden there’s a track record and a clear ideological foundation that gives us a level of transparency not seen with Trump. To this day there’s uncertainty about his foreign financial ties and our intelligence and military leaders are on the record expressing concern about this. The AR has been greatly maligned and responsible gun owners should clearly communicate opposition if there’s concern about magazine capacity restrictions, etc. As a hunter and gun owner, I think it’s crazy to center your political stance on this 1 issue.

 

Biden has a strong track record of doing things his way and not toeing the line as careful as some in the party would like. This notion that he’s weak or in too old is absurd. He’s overcome a stutter and sure, he’s no great orator. But he’s also direct and doesn’t try to play the “say nothing” game that most politicians have mastered. You’ve heard Trump’s press conferences right? It’s wild to question Biden’s coherence and then support Trump.

 

Anyways, this is probably not the best place to have a reasoned political debate but I felt it was important contribute to the notion that the American hunting world is comprised of folks with diverse opinions and who can negotiate multiple competing ideas at once. Hunting and gun ownership is not just for isolationists and doomsday preppers, as many folks sadly believe. The vast majority of Americans don’t hunt or own firearms. If you’re actually concerned about losing hunting/gun rights, a better bet would be to work to normalize our hobby/lifestyle rather than to vote on a single issue and then keeping your fingers crossed and hoping everything else works out.

[Steuben Jerry]

24 minutes ago, Chef said:

Let me ask you this because it’s a idea I tossed around with a few friends. If Biden has picked a republican as his running mate and said let’s run on a unity platform to try and re unite the country can come back to the middle.

Would you have Considered that


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I would absolutely have considered that. As long as the Republican passed muster with me. 

[Chef]

I would absolutely have considered that. As long as the Republican passed muster with me. 

Romney ?


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[airedale]

38 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

If you’re actually concerned about losing hunting/gun rights, a better bet would be to work to normalize our hobby/lifestyle rather than to vote on a single issue and then keeping your fingers crossed and hoping everything else works out.

Far more than a single issue!!!

Open borders with free health care to those that come through.

Abortion on demand

Universal healthcare

Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)!

Abolish ICE

How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in!

Hell yes we are coming for your guns,  all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

Sue the NRA into oblivion!

Tax increases by the trillions!

The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships.

Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you?

Trade deals that stick it to our own workers!

Kiss their ass foreign policy!

Tearing down our history! 

No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look!

Edited August 27, 2020 by airedale

[Steuben Jerry]

38 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’ve heard Trump’s press conferences right? It’s wild to question Biden’s coherence and then support Trump.

Believe me, I cringe when Trump speaks. He's certainly not a good orator. At all.

 

38 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

If you’re actually concerned about losing hunting/gun rights, a better bet would be to work to normalize our hobby/lifestyle rather than to vote on a single issue and then keeping your fingers crossed and hoping everything else works out.

My world actually doesn't revolve around guns. It's a hobby. Just like fishing or banging on my bass. However, my observations have led me to believe that the gun issue is a bellwether of the rest of the platform. I haven't seen too many politicians support the second amendment and then raise taxes, open the borders, stifle the economy with burdensome regulations, etc. Just as I haven't seen too many politicians be anti-gun and then lower taxes, be firm on immigration laws, etc.  

Edited August 27, 2020 by Steuben Jerry

[Steuben Jerry]

9 minutes ago, Chef said:

Romney ?


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I voted for him in 2012. I don't care for him now. If he was the 2020 nominee, I'd have to consider him against his opponent. Just like we should all do at every election. 

[Steuben Jerry]

7 minutes ago, airedale said:

Open borders with free health care to those that come through.

Abortion on demand

Universal healthcare

Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)!

Abolish ICE

How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in!

Hell yes we are coming for your guns,  all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

Sue the NRA into oblivion!

Tax increases by the trillions!

The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships.

Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you?

Trade deals that stick it to our own workers!

Kiss their ass foreign policy!

Tearing down our history! 

No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look!

Great summary!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

33 minutes ago, Chef said:

Romney ?


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I thought you said a "Republican"?

[Chef]

I thought you said a "Republican"?

See that’s the problem you guys forgot what the republican part is I’m not taking about trumps Nazi party


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[Culvercreek hunt club]

1 minute ago, Chef said:

See that’s the problem you guys forgot what the republican part is I’m not taking about trumps Nazi party


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but you love Biden's communist party. Romney does not hold the values of a Republican. The biggest reason why Trump is in office you can thank the President that you bow to the alter of. Obama. He and his policies and views put Trump in office. When you push a pendulum so far in one direction, don't act surprised when it swings back past center. 

[airedale]

As much as I am a hunting and gun fanatic it is not at the top of my issues when it comes to party and voting. Abortion is now at the top of my list and I am against it big time and especially so after reading detailed accounts of what actually occurs during the procedure.

I have always said and still before anyone who is in power voting for or against abortion laws they must have to view that actual procedure first, I am sure there are plenty of videos out there somewhere in abortion land if they have the guts to watch one.

I crack up when the Dems are so passionate about Trump's covid response and he is the main fault of all the deaths associated with covid. Yet they have no problem with the killing of unborn human babies by the millions.

On the fence? if you did not see this woman at the RNC convention who ran a planned parenthood you should. it is only a few minutes long.

 

[steve863]

10 minutes ago, airedale said:

As much as I am a hunting and gun fanatic it is not at the top of my issues when it comes to party and voting. Abortion is now at the top of my list and I am against it big time and especially so after reading detailed accounts of what actually occurs during the procedure.

I have always said and still before anyone who is in power voting for or against abortion laws they must have to view that actual procedure first, I am sure there are plenty of videos out there somewhere in abortion land if they have the guts to watch one.

I crack up when the Dems are so passionate about Trump's covid response and he is the main fault of all the deaths associated with covid. Yet they have no problem with the killing of unborn human babies by the millions.

On the fence? if you did not see this woman at the RNC convention who ran a planned parenthood you should. it is only a few minutes long.

 

 

I will admit that I never gave abortion much thought before I had children of my own, but it is absolutely disgusting how most all democrats or anyone who is pro-abortion keep harping on the "woman's right to choose" mantra and not even for a minute can fathom that a human life is being destroyed in the process.  Claiming that it isn't a life yet at that early stage is BS in it's purest form.  So when a couple who just finds out that they have conceived a child goes to that first sonogram and sees that tiny blob with a heartbeat they are not actually looking at a life?   A life that without complications in 9 months time will enter the world and be the child that they will care for and worry about for the rest of their lives?  Lets get real.  

[Versatile_Hunter]

1 hour ago, airedale said:

Far more than a single issue!!!

Open borders with free health care to those that come through.

Abortion on demand

Universal healthcare

Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)!

Abolish ICE

How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in!

Hell yes we are coming for your guns,  all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

Sue the NRA into oblivion!

Tax increases by the trillions!

The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships.

Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you?

Trade deals that stick it to our own workers!

Kiss their ass foreign policy!

Tearing down our history! 

No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look!

 

I get it, if believed that this is what the Democratic party stood for, a party that has the support of over half the US populace, I would be just as scared. I encourage you to not be duped by the internet. Half the items on your list are either flat out not true or a caricature of reality.

 

Open borders with free health care to those that come through.

-no serious Democratic platform is asking for open borders, this is fear mongering. Providing healthcare to the undocumented goes beyond human rights or altruism. It’s about public health. This isn’t really an issue for reasonable people.

 

Abortion on demand

-really? This is a concern for you? I yield to women on this and support all legislation that gives them the autonomy and authority to act on behalf of their own bodies. You know, over 25% of women have had an abortion. It’s often a very difficult decision but it’s theirs to make.

 

Universal healthcare

-this is a standard that we are sadly far away from. We spend far too much as a country on healthcare, mostly through tax subsidies to insurance companies that are incentivized to bill and to provide a minimal standard of care. We spend so much money as a country on the woefully ill rather than on preventative care. This is a standard that we should all vie for. The debate should be centered on how best to implement it.

 

Reimagine our Police forces (DEFUND)!

-we ask too much of our police and then we’re surprised when we see suboptimal outcomes. Many police officers and union leaders are on record stating the need for reform. Defunding is an absurd tagline that has only hurt folks on both sides of the debate. There’s a way to enforce the law and maintain order without infringing on the rights of the poor - that should be the conversation we should be having.

 

Abolish ICE

-Dems want a return to prioritizing detaining and deporting/prosecuting violent undocumented criminals. If past failures of ICE leadership makes a shift in priorities untenable, there’s no reason why this responsibly couldn’t be absorbed by current (or a new) law enforcing agencies.

How about free college! There ain't nothing like the word "FREE" to suck someone in!

-our education system is a mess. If you weren’t born to wealthy parents, it’s a real uphill battle. We need a massive overhaul, but not just at the collegiate level. Everything from childcare to pre-K and public schools. This is a top 3 issue for me.

 

Hell yes we are coming for your guns,  all on stage applauded! And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

-more fear mongering

 

Sue the NRA into oblivion!

-the NRA has been poorly managed and involved in self-dealing for far too long. However this plays out, I hope the new version of this gun rights advocacy is centered more on propagating a fun lifestyle/hobby than on scaring us to believe that teachers should carry guns in school.

 

Tax increases by the trillions!

-the past 2 Republican administrations have completely thrown out the conservative playbook on spending and taxes. The divide on tax policy among the parties, and how it affects YOUR bottom line, is more a fantasy than reality. That is, unless you’re making more than $400k. My friends in this tax bracket live comfortably and are uniformly fine with paying a bit more on taxes for public services that they too benefit from. Maybe you shouldn't be so concerned about them. 

 

The Green New Deal which is a nuclear bomb of wacko regulations that will bring the economy to it's knees along with devastating hardships.

-more fear mongering. The stock market isn’t a benevolent entity that acts for the good of us all. Regulation, when thoughtfully applied, ensures that everyone benefits from what the land has to offer, not just a handful of corporations and their shareholders. The market spurs innovation and incentivizes useful risk. It’s important that we use regulation appropriately to direct this in a mutually beneficial and sustainable direction. It may come as a shock to you, but this is what we call capitalism, not socialism.

 

Ask them how much they support the Outdoor Sports? Every single anti hunting, anti shooting, anti fishing, anti trapping, animal rights group in this country support Democrats! How much do these activities matter to you?

-I’m heartened by the recent ideological merging of outdoors groups. Hunters, hikers, mountain bikers, birdwatchers, camping, etc all want the same thing. HuntingNY.com can play a role in giving all outdoors people a unified and more influential voice.

 

Trade deals that stick it to our own workers! Kiss their ass foreign policy!

-This is probably where Trump has been the weakest. His reckless abandonment of global allegiances and trade deals have not benefited America. Social issues aside, this is where Biden will have a clear edge. Trump talks a tough game that appeals to some but you’ll see where the labor unions fall on this.

 

Tearing down our history! 

-I certainly don’t hold a romantic view of the confederacy and there’s no reason to exalt past leaders who were on the wrong side of history. It’s important to be clear-eyed about our past and to not conflate learning our history with celebrating all aspects of it. This is one of the areas that we can actually learn something from the Germans.

 

No Law and Order! ANARCHY IS OK! All one needs to do is take a look at Democrat controlled cities, Chicago, NY, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, St Louis, Baltimore, it is all out there to see if one takes the time to take a serious look!

-again, fear mongering. Democratic leaders denounce rioting and violence. Yes, urban centers have a denser population and so we expect to see more crime. These are also places where it’s hard to deny or hide from the results of our racial history and I look forward to having a president that can navigate and lead the nation through this difficulty territory. Another place where Trump has clearly failed.

 

 

 

[airedale]

39 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I encourage you to not be duped by the internet. Half the items on your list are either flat out not true or a caricature of reality.

LOL! I do not get any news from the internet I get my information from the Horse's mouth. I watched the Dem debates, I watched the DNC convention and listened to what was said on the Sunday shows doing interviews of Dem leadership, All I have listed is stuff that came directly from  party members and as for Abortion yes it does concern me, I stuck my head in the sand for many year not wanting to know anything about it. As the old saying goes "What You Don't Know Won't Hurt You" but 63 million babies killed since Roe is pretty hard for me to sweep under the rug at this time in my life knowing what I do.

In my mind you did not make a believable argument on any of the above, I will take your party at their own words!

Al

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[SpacemanSpiff]

I think most problem are the spineless mayors and chiefs of police. They allow these so called “protesters” to burn cities to the ground. Talk about loss of jobs! Makes me sick to see those morons out there running a muck just “cause man”.....its all group think. Most of them have no idea what they are protesting. This is trumps fault? These cities are lucky the national guard isnt cracking heads. Not sure why they aren’t turning the fire hoses on these A holes like they did in the 60s race riots. Oh that’s right, to busy putting out fires at gas stations and car dealerships! Its so funny to see CNN (clown news network) showing these fires and calling them peaceful protests! So much of what is shown in the media is spun to skew the nation against any republican in office. Cant let a good pandemic and plenty of riots across the country go to waste. 

[46rkl]

The original topic about Biden-Harris coming for our guns.... I worry more about Cuomo than the federal govt. An ideal scenario for me is whatever party wins the presidency has the opposite party control the Senate while the president’s party controls the House. That makes everything government wants to do difficult to implement. Just the way I like it. All federal appointees would have to pass muster with the opposing party and new laws would be less likely to pass. The less government does, the better I like it. 

[SpacemanSpiff]

1 minute ago, blackbeltbill said:

Biden is Weak. And China will own us if he wins. They will ramp up mastery of the South China Sea. China will start military campaigns to Seize Hong Kong + Taiwan. 

      Without Trump to Stop them - this will happen. 

   TRUMP- 2020!

Well said bill. 

[Versatile_Hunter]

17 minutes ago, blackbeltbill said:

Biden is Weak. And China will own us if he wins. They will ramp up mastery of the South China Sea. China will start military campaigns to Seize Hong Kong + Taiwan. 

      Without Trump to Stop them - this will happen. 

   TRUMP- 2020!

Have you not seen how China's been rapidly asserting control in Hong Kong? Look up the recently passed Hong Kong security law. Once again, Trump is just out matched. But he never came into office claiming policy expertise - He only promised a supernatural ability to make deals. Again, he talks a tough game but it's all hot air. He and the Republican party would be better off with folks like Jon Huntsman and Romney in positions of influence.

No SpacemanSpiff, Trump didn't create the racial tensions that have led to unrest. He exploits them for political gain.

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Why does Versatile_Hunter seem so familiar?