Voting Irregularities

[virgil]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

Actually there has been plenty of evidence and allegations offered. It is up to courts to determine the future action on these allegations. And that is the proper process that is going on right now. It sounds like a worthwhile investigation that is long overdue to me. Do not be so quick to criticize the system for doing what it is intended to do in an attempt to safeguard our election process.

At least these allegations will be settled a lot quicker and cheaper and with a whole lot more decency than all the concerted interference, and negativity, and the almost 4 years of trying to cripple and destroy the proper functioning of the U.S. government that the entire Democrat party was complicit in throughout the entire Trump presidency.

Evidence and allegations are not the same thing.  Anyone can make allegations.  Providing evidence to support those allegations is a different thing.  And Trump's team has not presented any evidence of systemic fraud. 

[left field]

And lawyers know that they get into real trouble if they lie in court.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-suddenly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge/?utm_source=mostpopular

But Lou Dobbs will get to the bottom of foodvangate.

  

[Grouse]

Sworn, sign affidavits are considered evidence and there are thousands of them filed with the court papers already.

[phantom]

 

[NonTypical]

Release the Kraken...

[Grouse]

Trump lays out the issues the main stream media with holds from the public.

 

 

[Doc]

On 11/13/2020 at 7:02 AM, virgil said:

Evidence and allegations are not the same thing.  Anyone can make allegations.  Providing evidence to support those allegations is a different thing.  And Trump's team has not presented any evidence of systemic fraud. 

Generally speaking, the first necessary things involving investigations are simply allegations. That is what starts the ball rolling. And as far as what evidence is present and available, I suspect that you really don't have any credible secret sources that are whispering in your ear about what has or has not been gathered for prosecution.

[NonTypical]

They are providing evidence to the ones that matter, the courts. There is no reason to tell the media anything. The media has been the enemy for 4 years. They will continue to drop hints about what’s going on for everyone, but as far as laying everything out about what they have, you’ll hear about it when it goes to court. Even then the media will withhold and spin as much as possible. 

[Grouse]

Why are leftists suddenly so interested in evidence?  They have had no interest in evidence regarding allegations ever since Trump was elected.

[steve863]

With nutjob Rudy as his chief lawyer Trump won't get a parking ticket overturned!  LOL

[Northcountryman]

2 hours ago, steve863 said:

With nutjob Rudy as his chief lawyer Trump won't get a parking ticket overturned!  LOL

I’ve noticed you have a very low opinion of Giuliani and , was wondering why . I don’t know much about him , honestly , except that he was mayor of NYC back in the day and was very popular when he left office , didn’t he ? 

[Grouse]

Anyone on Trump's side is equally hated by people who hate Trump.

[steve863]

4 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

I’ve noticed you have a very low opinion of Giuliani and , was wondering why . I don’t know much about him , honestly , except that he was mayor of NYC back in the day and was very popular when he left office , didn’t he ? 

He was a very good mayor.  100 times better than the current idiot mayor DeBlasio.  Rudy seemed to have somehow gone off the deep end in recent years, however.  He's nothing but a conspiracy theorist like Trump right now.  His lawsuits won't go anywhere other than get thrown out of court.  A few have already been thrown out.  

[DirtTime]

Many irregularities can be cured with stool softeners or hardeners. So a fly by dropping MiraLAX might help solve this one too.

[Grouse]

The election wasn't free from fraud and the evidence is building daily. 

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6209930642001?fbclid=IwAR0TJ-3URHI5mRTAtLSyu55PKfUWn8QnGp8bf4YFGxbfsRrUGM0HbaBYt_0#sp=show-clips

[Doc]

On 11/13/2020 at 9:27 AM, Grouse said:

Sworn, sign affidavits are considered evidence and there are thousands of them filed with the court papers already.

And it should also be pointed out that lying on these sworn affidavits come under the same legal penalties that apply to the crime of perjury. So they are not to be taken lightly.

But, I have to wonder what the democrats are afraid of. Are they really all that terrified that investigations into these allegations might shine some light on some of their less-than-legal tactics. I think it's time to put a spotlight on the democrat's disregard for decency and honor and the rule of law. I also think that the panicked squeals coming from the democrats sounds a lot like terror of having their mis-deeds being finally uncovered. All this noise sure does smell like a warning flag that there really is some reason for concern regarding the questionable tactics that may have been used during this election by the left. The more they protest, the more I want to see a full investigation started immediately.

 

[Dr Juice]

https://parler.com/post/e4fa5e27e494404aab3272eef2e488be

[virgil]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

And it should also be pointed out that lying on these sworn affidavits come under the same legal penalties that apply to the crime of perjury. So they are not to be taken lightly.

But, I have to wonder what the democrats are afraid of. Are they really all that terrified that investigations into these allegations might shine some light on some of their less-than-legal tactics. I think it's time to put a spotlight on the democrat's disregard for decency and honor and the rule of law. I also think that the panicked squeals coming from the democrats sounds a lot like terror of having their mis-deeds being finally uncovered. All this noise sure does smell like a warning flag that there really is some reason for concern regarding the questionable tactics that may have been used during this election by the left. The more they protest, the more I want to see a full investigation started immediately.

 

Who are the democrats that you’re referring to ?  It seems to me that it’s the courts that are rejecting the lawsuits. Either way, the hipocracy on both sides is ridiculous. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHlk90RpX0u/

 

[9jNYstarkOH]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/hand-tally-georgia-presidential-race-continues-74237336

[Northcountryman]

30 minutes ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/hand-tally-georgia-presidential-race-continues-74237336

Yeah , I just saw this on the news , 2800 to be exact and the sec of state of GA Is refusing to certify anything now and wants  to delve deeper into this 

[Doc]

On 11/16/2020 at 7:27 PM, virgil said:

Who are the democrats that you’re referring to ?  It seems to me that it’s the courts that are rejecting the lawsuits. Either way, the hipocracy on both sides is ridiculous. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHlk90RpX0u/

 

I am speaking of every democrat that breathes....lol. It is not hypocrisy to be concerned about the integrity of the U.S. voting system. If there are sworn affidavits alleging fraud or failures of the system, I can't really understand why members of either party wouldn't be interested in finding and correcting things that impact the accuracy of results whether it changes the outcome or not.

[virgil]

On ‎11‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 3:45 PM, Doc said:

I am speaking of every democrat that breathes....lol. It is not hypocrisy to be concerned about the integrity of the U.S. voting system. If there are sworn affidavits alleging fraud or failures of the system, I can't really understand why members of either party wouldn't be interested in finding and correcting things that impact the accuracy of results whether it changes the outcome or not.

At what point do you concede that these claims are baseless?  One by one, the lawsuits are being rejected for lack of any evidence whatsoever.  This is the problem as I see it- we now live in the Trump world where facts do not matter.  I believe that a large percentage of Trump voters will never accept the fact that he lost the election legitimately, no matter the fact that their claims to the contrary have been heard and rejected as baseless. 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, virgil said:

At what point do you concede that these claims are baseless?  One by one, the lawsuits are being rejected for lack of any evidence whatsoever.  This is the problem as I see it- we now live in the Trump world where facts do not matter.  I believe that a large percentage of Trump voters will never accept the fact that he lost the election legitimately, no matter the fact that their claims to the contrary have been heard and rejected as baseless. 

I don't know. I am not part of the Trump campaign legal team. Just like you, I have absolutely no idea as to what kinds of information is in all those sworn affidavits any more than you do. The amount of time will eventually be settled in the courts. Our "opinions" of what is an adequate amount of time really have no bearing on your question. It will take as long as it takes. With something like the sanctity of the vote at stake, I do not really understand what your hurry is. There is nothing illegal going on. All that is being done is according to the legal process. 

Would you rather we spend the next 4 years doing all we can to stall the function of the government. Now that dems have set that precedent of not accepting a duly elected president. Remember "Russia-Russia-Russia" all based on a concocted dossier that Hilary bought and paid for. Maybe some phony impeachment activity is more your style than questioning sworn to instances of voter fraud. Or how about we start burning down the establishments of innocent small business owners. That seems to be the democrat/ socialist way of contesting an election whose outcome doesn't align with their agenda. I mean, you are complaining about a few weeks of examination of the sanctity of the vote when you and your bunch of socialists kept the U.S. government in constant turmoil for the better part of 4 years. I have to wonder what kind of hypocrisy it takes to even ask your question. 

[virgil]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

I don't know. I am not part of the Trump campaign legal team. Just like you, I have absolutely no idea as to what kinds of information is in all those sworn affidavits any more than you do. The amount of time will eventually be settled in the courts. Our "opinions" of what is an adequate amount of time really have no bearing on your question. It will take as long as it takes. With something like the sanctity of the vote at stake, I do not really understand what your hurry is. There is nothing illegal going on. All that is being done is according to the legal process. 

Would you rather we spend the next 4 years doing all we can to stall the function of the government. Now that dems have set that precedent of not accepting a duly elected president. Remember "Russia-Russia-Russia" all based on a concocted dossier that Hilary bought and paid for. Maybe some phony impeachment activity is more your style than questioning sworn to instances of voter fraud. Or how about we start burning down the establishments of innocent small business owners. That seems to be the democrat/ socialist way of contesting an election whose outcome doesn't align with their agenda. I mean, you are complaining about a few weeks of examination of the sanctity of the vote when you and your bunch of socialists kept the U.S. government in constant turmoil for the better part of 4 years. I have to wonder what kind of hypocrisy it takes to even ask your question. 

It doesn't matter whether you or I know what's in those affidavits.  They are presented to the courts for consideration and have been shown to contain absolutely no evidence- which is exactly why all of the lawsuits have been rejected.  The truth is that the 'sanctity of the vote' is not in jeopardy- this is just another nonsense conspiracy theory that is being pushed simply to build doubt and division.

The Russian collusion example is a fair point.  But, 'fraud, fraud, fraud' is the 2020 version of that.  Only this time, it's being pushed by your guy- so, you're okay with it.

the rest of your post is nonsense that I can't bother to respond to.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, virgil said:

It doesn't matter whether you or I know what's in those affidavits.  They are presented to the courts for consideration and have been shown to contain absolutely no evidence- which is exactly why all of the lawsuits have been rejected.  The truth is that the 'sanctity of the vote' is not in jeopardy- this is just another nonsense conspiracy theory that is being pushed simply to build doubt and division.

The Russian collusion example is a fair point.  But, 'fraud, fraud, fraud' is the 2020 version of that.  Only this time, it's being pushed by your guy- so, you're okay with it.

the rest of your post is nonsense that I can't bother to respond to.

It is not true that "all of the lawsuits have been rejected". There are 11,000 incidents of voter fraud, most of which have not even been presented in any court yet. So let's at least try to keep the claims as honest as you can. If there was only one, I would expect that you and other democrats would want it to be investigated and any perpetrators arrested and prosecuted regardless of whether or not it had any impact on the final result. Personally I want these cheaters and vote manipulators made an example of regardless of which affiliation they come from. I do not understand why you do not.