Arnold Schwarzenegger released a cautionary plea to the American public Sunday

[DoubleDose]

1 hour ago, crappyice said:

Doesn’t this now scream opportunity for a middle of the road THIRD PARTY to get their act together and represent the majority of the country.
The flaming left and right represent a tiny fraction of this country. The large majority want to meet in the middle regardless of the propaganda from both sides.


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I hope so, and DJT is not the person to do this with. In fact, it would probably be best run by a young non-career politician.

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[crappyice]

I hope so, and DJT is not the person to do this with. In fact, it would probably be best run by a young non-career politician.

And yet part of his popularity (and lack of popularity among DC crowd) stemmed from him not being a career politician....his persona/celebrity is not what we need....how’s Ronald Reagan feeling?!? Too soon????

 

 

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[DoubleDose]

3 hours ago, Merlot said:

Maybe Pres. Trump will declare the Southern border wall a national monument. Cannot tear down a national monument. Just a thought. 

Doesn't matter if he does or doesn't declare it a national monument.   To ANTIFA it will represent DJT and/or some racist /nationalist monolith that they have the moral obligation to tear down.  The real question is how will the powers that be respond if it does happen.

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[DoubleDose]

1 minute ago, crappyice said:

And yet part of his popularity (and lack of popularity among DC crowd) stemmed from him not being a career politician....his persona/celebrity is not what we need....how’s Ronald Reagan feeling?!? Too soon????

 

 

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I agree (a big) part of his early appeal was that he was an outsider, non-career politician, businessman that people thought would fix our government.  Unfortunately (for everyone), his pathologic and malignant personality overshadowed that appeal.  I hope he has not sufficiently poisoned the well toward an outsider again.

[left field]

2 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

One can choose to label themselves whatever they wish but it doesn't make it reality. Their stance, agenda and what they support or don't support is what would make someone conservative or not. 

The issue there is that you're calling for some kind of broad litmus test. If, as many believe, that you can hold diverse political or social opinion and still find common ground as Americans, then you surely must be able to have a similar diversity within a political party. Even more necessary within a two party system. 

48 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:

I hope so, and DJT is not the person to do this with. In fact, it would probably be best run by a young non-career politician.

[phantom]

An international outcry over tech censorship is underway, as political leaders from Mexico to Europe voice their alarm at the unchecked power of Big Tech, following the purge of President Donald Trump by the Big Tech Masters of the Universe

Germany

German chancellor Angela Merkel, whose pro-migration, anti-hate speech policies have little in common with President Trump or his movement, has nonetheless expressed concern at Silicon Valley’s unchecked power.

“The chancellor sees the complete closing down of the account of an elected president as problematic,” said Steffen Seibert, chief spokesman of the German chancellor, at a recent press conference in Berlin.

France

French political leaders also voiced their opposition. The finance minister of France, Bruno Le Maire, condemned what he called a “digital oligarchy,” calling it “one of the threats” to democracy.

“There needs to be public regulation of big online platforms,” said Le Maire.

And Clement Beaune, the French junior minister for European Affairs, told Bloomberg TV that he was “shocked” to see President Trump banned from Twitter, saying “this should be decided by citizens, not by a CEO.”

Mexico

The French and German leaders join president Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, an avowed socialist, who was the first world leader to condemn Facebook and Twitter for banning president Trump.

“I don’t like anybody being censored or taking away from the right to post a message on Twitter or Face(book). I don’t agree with that, I don’t accept that,” said López Obrador.

The Mexican president said tech companies were behaving like an “inquisition” to “manage public opinion.”

“This is really serious” he added.

The United Kingdom

The Prime Minister of Britain, Boris Johnson, was reportedly alarmed at Silicon Valley censorship even before Trump was permanently removed from Twitter and other platforms.

In November, the Daily Mail quoted a senior government source who said the Prime Minister was considering new laws against tech censorship following Twitter’s censoring of President Trump during the U.S. presidential election.

“Boris did not like what he saw in the US election and has asked for more time to consider how to avoid the same thing happening to him in future,” said the government source, discussing a planned internet regulation bill.

The European Union

Manfred Weber, leader of the largest party group in the European Parliament, said “we cannot leave it to American Big Tech to decide how we can or cannot discuss online,” labeling it a threat to the “consensus building” that is “crucial in free and democratic societies.”

We cannot leave it to American Big Tech to decide how we can or cannot discuss online. Todays mechanisms destroy the compromise searching and consensus building that are crucial in free and democratic societies. We need a stricter regulatory approach. #CapitolHill @POLITICOEurope https://t.co/ouJwTCT5B1

— Manfred Weber (@ManfredWeber) January 11, 2021

 

Poland

Poland, run by a populist-nationalist government, has long taken the issue of tech censorship seriously. The Polish government is in the process of passing a law that would fine tech companies millions of euros for censoring content that is legal in Poland.

The law would also create a new Court for the Protection of Freedom of Speech in Poland, where citizens of the country will be able to escalate complaints of tech censorship.

Hungary

The government of Hungary, a resolute enemy of the international cultural left, began an investigation into tech censorship in Europe in 2019. A new anti-censorship social network, Hundub, was recently launched in the country. In the same year, Hungary also fined Facebook for claiming its services are “free.”

Australia

In the Pacific, leaders of the center-right government of Australia including the Deputy Prime Minister, Michael McCormack, and the Treasurer, Josh Fryndenburg, also voiced their opposition to the bans of Trump from social media.

“I’m not in favour of censorship – I think if people don’t like what they see on Twitter – well don’t go onto that social media platform,” McCormack told reporters.

“Freedom of speech is fundamental to our society … those decisions were taken by commercial companies – but personally I felt uncomfortable with what they did,” said Frydenburg.

Russia

In Russia, opposition leader Alexei Navalny, who was the victim of attempted assassination by poisoning last year, said Silicon Valley’s actions bear the hallmarks of authoritarianism.

“Of course, Twitter is a private company, but we have seen many examples in Russian and China of such private companies becoming the state’s best friends and the enablers when it comes to censorship,” said Navalny.

“If you replace ‘Trump’ with ‘Navalny’ in today’s discussion, you will get an 80% accurate Kremlin’s answer as to why my name can’t be mentioned on Russian TV and I shouldn’t be allowed to participate in any elections.”

Norway

Jonas Gahr Støre, leader of the left-wing Labour party in Norway and a favorite to become the next Prime Minister of the country, also criticized the censorship.

While condemning President Trump for “hate,” the left-wing party leader said that big tech censorship threatened political freedom around the world.

“This is a line where freedom of expression is also at stake,” said Støre. “If Twitter starts with this sort of thing, it means that they have to go around the world and look at other people completely astray, and shut them out.”

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

29 minutes ago, left field said:

The issue there is that you're calling for some kind of broad litmus test. If, as many believe, that you can hold diverse political or social opinion and still find common ground as Americans, then you surely must be able to have a similar diversity within a political party. Even more necessary within a two party system. 

 

I was careful to not say Democrat or Republican. Your comment may hold water there. Conservative and Progressive (Liberal), while they do have party connotations, are more mindset and beliefs. 

[DoubleDose]

3 hours ago, left field said:

The issue there is that you're calling for some kind of broad litmus test. If, as many believe, that you can hold diverse political or social opinion and still find common ground as Americans, then you surely must be able to have a similar diversity within a political party. Even more necessary within a two party system. 

Yang was the only candidate I can remember during the nominee debates challenging the others how they were going to pay for their promises and exposing how it could not financially be done.  I believe he will be the next mayor of NYC and/or Governor of NY.

[9jNYstarkOH]

1 hour ago, DoubleDose said:

Yang was the only candidate I can remember during the nominee debates challenging the others how they were going to pay for their promises and exposing how it could not financially be done.  I believe he will be the next mayor of NYC and/or Governor of NY.

He did, but his own $1000 a month basic income using VAT would not pay for his promises either. 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/how-would-andrew-yang-give-americans-1000-per-month-with-this-tax

Edited January 12, 2021 by 9jNYstarkOH

[left field]

1 hour ago, DoubleDose said:

Yang was the only candidate I can remember during the nominee debates challenging the others how they were going to pay for their promises and exposing how it could not financially be done.  I believe he will be the next mayor of NYC and/or Governor of NY.

Anybody but De Blasio. 

[Grouse]

[DoubleDose]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

...and the Left and Media response will be because they do not want to incite his base again!  

[phantom]

34 minutes ago, DoubleDose said:

...and the Left and Media response will be because they do not want to incite his base again!  

yep just like  we are  still waiting for that tape of trump   colluding with Russia.  the fbi wire tapped him so where is the tape?   they had nothing and kept that bs going for years now nobody believes the government anymore or the media  and definitely not that election  .  They lost all credibility .

Edited January 14, 2021 by phantom

[Shoots100]

Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks?

We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."

Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)?

We were  told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible."

Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door ? 

We were told, "It's understandable."

Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police?  

We were  told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."

Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood  in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone?

Remember the Molotov cocktails and destruction to the federal court house?

We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."

Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator?

We were told, "No justice, no peace."

Remember how the police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested?

We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."

 

Remember when singers + actors protested in DC and threatened to burn down the white house, a direct threat to the President ?

Remember when a certain comic took a picture with the mock severed head of the standing President ?

Remember the video showing the assassination of a standing President ?

We were told "Free speech".

 

Do you remember any Republicans calling for censorship of any Dem President or politician's social media account during those times ?

Lastly, Would any Dem let the Republicans get away with all that has happened, if the shoe was on the other foot ?

I don't think so either.

 

 

 

 

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[Northcountryman]

3 hours ago, DoubleDose said:

...and the Left and Media response will be because they do not want to incite his base again!  

Yeah , I read that earlier . I don’t think he did incite the crowd , but what he did was still selfish and a bit reckless IMHO. He shouldn’t be impeached for it though , not by a long shot. 

[phantom]

7 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

Yeah , I read that earlier . I don’t think he did incite the crowd , but what he did was still selfish and a bit reckless IMHO. He shouldn’t be impeached for it though , not by a long shot. 

I just want to know who was making the decisions for security that day   and did they mess up  on purpose for political reasons or was this just a mistake  because they get angry mobs over there all the time it should be nothing new  to them . My guess is they wanted  those people to get inside just so they could  make trump look bad . What makes this riot any worse then the 100 others that they did nothing about the left took over parts of whole city's for weeks in some places that's true treason  and none of those politicians   got impeached over it .  What happen to equal justice under the law ? and what happened to covid19 news seems to have stopped talking about it,  notice . 

[crappyice]

I just want to know who was making the decisions for security that day   and did they mess up  on purpose for political reasons or was this just a mistake  because they get angry mobs over there all the time it should be nothing new  to them . My guess is they wanted  those people to get inside just so they could  make trump look bad . What makes this riot any worse then the 100 others that they did nothing about the left took over parts of whole city's for weeks in some places that's true treason  and none of those politicians   got impeached over it .  What happen to equal justice under the law ? and what happened to covid19 news seems to have stopped talking about it,  notice . 

Sorry- I’m not following. The cops - pro-trump and Trump is the party of law enforcement - wanted the protesters to get in to hurt Trump.

And all I have heard as I watch the news is about lack of vaccine, Impact of travel, lack of tests, etc.


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[Northcountryman]

2 hours ago, phantom said:

I just want to know who was making the decisions for security that day   and did they mess up  on purpose for political reasons or was this just a mistake  because they get angry mobs over there all the time it should be nothing new  to them . My guess is they wanted  those people to get inside just so they could  make trump look bad . What makes this riot any worse then the 100 others that they did nothing about the left took over parts of whole city's for weeks in some places that's true treason  and none of those politicians   got impeached over it .  What happen to equal justice under the law ? and what happened to covid19 news seems to have stopped talking about it,  notice . 

I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right about that; Moreover , I would like to amend something I said earlier. I am  against impeachment  for multiple reasons -but the most important of all - simply because his speech does not meet the standard to be charged with inciting a riotFrom what I understand , It has to be very clear and objective language Used that can be interpreted no other way , for example “ go over to the Capitol and tear the building apart !!”. He did not use language even remotely similar to that , as a matter of fact , he clearly used the words “ peacefully march”. I don’t think he can be charged with it!! Doesn’t meet the standard !! 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Northcountryman

[Versatile_Hunter]

1 hour ago, Northcountryman said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right about that; Moreover , I would like to amend something I said earlier. I am  against impeachment  for multiple reasons -but the most important of all - simply because his speech does not meet the standard to be charged with inciting a riotFrom what I understand , It has to be very clear and objective language Used that can be interpreted no other way , for example “ go over to the Capitol and tear the building apart !!”. He did not use language even remotely similar to that , as a matter of fact , he clearly used the words “ peacefully march”. I don’t think he can be charged with it!! Doesn’t meet the standard !! 

The speech was bad. Giuliani’s was worse. But it’s be a pattern with him right? Break all the presidential norms and say/do outrageous things repeatedly and we become desensitized.  Worse than the speech/video/tweets was his repeated claims of widespread election fraud in the abject absence of it. His calls to the Georgia officials I think will seal his fate. Accountability is a good thing. Rejoice. 

[crappyice]

The speech was bad. Giuliani’s was worse. But it’s be a pattern with him right? Break all the presidential norms and say/do outrageous things repeatedly and we become desensitized.  Worse than the speech/video/tweets was his repeated claims of widespread election fraud in the abject absence of it. His calls to the Georgia officials I think will seal his fate. Accountability is a good thing. Rejoice. 

How did you like his speech last night?

I know it is hard to find on local media (that in itself is shameful) so here is a link:

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[Versatile_Hunter]

29 minutes ago, crappyice said:

How did you like his speech last night?

I know it is hard to find on local media (that in itself is shameful) so here is a link:

 

 

 

 

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Not sure what you mean, I heard it in full in the news. I think that Jack Dorsey may have actually done him a favor...

[Northcountryman]

1 hour ago, crappyice said:

How did you like his speech last night?

I know it is hard to find on local media (that in itself is shameful) so here is a link:

 

 

 

 

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Yes , speech last night was very good , I agree 

[phantom]

On 1/14/2021 at 6:50 AM, crappyice said:

Sorry- I’m not following. The cops - pro-trump and Trump is the party of law enforcement - wanted the protesters to get in to hurt Trump.

And all I have heard as I watch the news is about lack of vaccine, Impact of travel, lack of tests, etc.


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 I miss spoke, meant to say less talk about covid19 then they have been doing up until now . Trump in all his speeches said the words peaceful  never mentioned telling  anyone to do a  criminal act or violent act  that day or before or after , so there was no impeachable offence .  Who ever did security needs to be investigated ,  looks like a setup to make trump look bad .  Media will go back to more covid19  and  just ignore it  if it was ,   watch.  Think about how many trump riots have there been up until now ? mean while the left had over 100 riots real bad ones where they took over city blocks for weeks!!! So are they going to impeach biden  Nancy  over it nope . 

Edited January 15, 2021 by phantom

[GreeneHunter]

On 1/12/2021 at 1:02 PM, phantom said:

An international outcry over tech censorship is underway,

“This is a line where freedom of expression is also at stake,” said Støre. “If Twitter starts with this sort of thing, it means that they have to go around the world and look at other people completely astray, and shut them out.”

 

Shortened it up for ya !