Back to Afghanistan

[luberhill]

Sending 3000 troops back , Biden refuses to take questions 

[Robhuntandfish]

Political section man. 

[Jeremy K]

That explains the recent surge of the delta virus...

[greg54]

58 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

Political section man. 

X2

[Gobbler Chaser]

Just to escort embassy personal to a safer location. If there is such a thing in Afghanistan

[luberhill]

1 hour ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Just to escort embassy personal to a safer location. If there is such a thing in Afghanistan

Don’t need 3000 for that .,,we all know where this is heading 

[Waterfowler]

2 hours ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Just to escort embassy personal to a safer location. If there is such a thing in Afghanistan

Is that what CNBC told you?

[Farflung]

I believe that part of this deployment is to  allow a safety Zone in Kabul where we are very slowly processing requests of our former Afghan allies and workers (including interpreters) to get them out of country. We promised them this and we need to  deliver.

[Jeremy K]

My best friend was a combat correspondent over there . Nothing even close to what the news reports over there is true.

[Gobbler Chaser]

1 hour ago, Farflung said:

I believe that part of this deployment is to  allow a safety Zone in Kabul where we are very slowly processing requests of our former Afghan allies and workers (including interpreters) to get them out of country. We promised them this and we need to  deliver.

This pretty much sums it up. You know there's lots of people over there that supported our efforts over the the time period. I'm pretty sure agreements for gov officials and families were in effect from the getgo. After all if you leave these people behind they would no doubt have to watch their families being tortured to death before they got it.

[Gobbler Chaser]

11 hours ago, luberhill said:

Don’t need 3000 for that .,,we all know where this is heading 

Please share. I would like to know where this is heading

[Gobbler Chaser]

11 hours ago, Waterfowler said:

Is that what CNBC told you?

No, but I did hear on Hannity that those three thousand troops are setting up concentration camps in the region to send anti vaxxers to. All under orders from Biden, scary huh?

Edited August 13, 2021 by Gobbler Chaser

[Nomad]

Actually the true number deployed for the mission is 5000 . There’s also 1000 staging in Kuwait and another 1000 in Qatar .

This is America ,where we tell our enemies exactly what we’re going to do and when , but how fast you can really drive on an expressway is a closely guarded secret.

[Salmon_Run]

3 hours ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Please share. I would like to know where this is heading

Let's take a guess here; the democrats are in power so:

the price of energy at the pump will increase drastically; the government will support the lazy and unwilling; consumable goods prices will rise as supply falls and falters; spend billions on "infrastructure" and environmental projects and we'll enter another "CONFLICT" in the Middle East.....and if we are really dedicated and schooled career politicians we can blame all this on any previous administration..

Any bets out there ?

  

[luberhill]

12 minutes ago, Salmon_Run said:

Let's take a guess here; the democrats are in power so:

the price of energy at the pump will increase drastically; the government will support the lazy and unwilling; consumable goods prices will rise as supply falls and falters; spend billions on "infrastructure" and environmental projects and we'll enter another "CONFLICT" in the Middle East.....and if we are really dedicated and schooled career politicians we can blame all this on any previous administration..

Any bets out there ?

  

And we leave the southern borders open…

[Gobbler Chaser]

8 hours ago, luberhill said:

And we leave the southern borders open…

Southern Borders are open? Where you hearing this?

[Jeremy K]

Is anybody really surprised we are going back to war ? Every time a democrat gets in the house they pull this shit . 3 things i told everyone before dopey took office ,gas would go up , the price of every thing would increase and we would be back to war . Shocker this is even happening. Obama dropped so many bombs on isis we nearly ray out . 

[luberhill]

1 hour ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Southern Borders are open? Where you hearing this?

My brother is a border patrol agent, but I’m sure you probably know more than he does.

We are letting 1000s thru and relocating. Over 100,000 have already crossed .

Borders are not open per se, but may as well be the way this admin is handling it 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/record-numbers-illegal-border-crossings/2021/08/12/e3d305e2-facd-11eb-b8dd-0e376fba55f2_story.html

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by luberhill

[Jeremy K]

1 hour ago, luberhill said:

My brother is a border patrol agent, but I’m sure you probably know more than he does.

We are letting 1000s thru and relocating. Over 100,000 have already crossed .

Borders are not open per se, but may as well be the way this admin is handling it 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/record-numbers-illegal-border-crossings/2021/08/12/e3d305e2-facd-11eb-b8dd-0e376fba55f2_story.html

 

 

 

Is it true they arnt testing them for covid until they get to their new destination?

[Gobbler Chaser]

4 hours ago, luberhill said:

My brother is a border patrol agent, but I’m sure you probably know more than he does.

We are letting 1000s thru and relocating. Over 100,000 have already crossed .

Borders are not open per se, but may as well be the way this admin is handling it 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/record-numbers-illegal-border-crossings/2021/08/12/e3d305e2-facd-11eb-b8dd-0e376fba55f2_story.html

 

 

 

So not exactly open but they are letting people thru. Do you really believe they were closed during the Trump administration. Or that Trumps Great Beautiful Wall that Mexico would pay for and he never delivered was keeping people from crossing the border. If you haven't noticed the American economy is once again growing and unemployment is dropping. Unlike the four year of lackluster GDP the Trump administration provided. 

[phantom]

On 8/12/2021 at 7:50 PM, Jeremy K said:

That explains the recent surge of the delta virus...

Taliban seem to not get covid19 why is that ?

 

 

 

 

[Grouse]

Taliban doesn't have TV.

[luberhill]

5 hours ago, Jeremy K said:

Is it true they arnt testing them for covid until they get to their new destination?

Yes .. 

[luberhill]

1 hour ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

So not exactly open but they are letting people thru. Do you really believe they were closed during the Trump administration. Or that Trumps Great Beautiful Wall that Mexico would pay for and he never delivered was keeping people from crossing the border. If you haven't noticed the American economy is once again growing and unemployment is dropping. Unlike the four year of lackluster GDP the Trump administration provided. 

Trump had a deal with Mexico , Biden promised no one would be turned away.

For 100 percent sure the border was much more secure under Trump than it is now .

Even ask Harris , you may have to show her on a map first where the border is.

Again , don’t ask your girlfriends on the View or Chris Cuomo on CNN.

Go see for yourself or talk to the people at the border..

 

 

[Grouse]

By Joe Carafano,  a leading expert in national security and foreign policy challenges, is The Heritage Foundation’s vice president for foreign and defense policy studies, E. W. Richardson fellow, and director of the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies.

 

Joe Biden’s decision to withdraw abruptly from Afghanistan, without any discernible exit strategy, has plunged that nation into a bloody, ruinous chaos. After pleading with the Taliban to spare our embassy in Kabul, he has now redeployed 3,000 troops to conduct a hasty air evacuation of embassy staff.

At this stage, the only good that can come from this debacle is that our leaders might wake up and recognize that the Obama Doctrine of foreign policy is an abysmal failure and must be abandoned once and for all. Tragically, this lesson comes, yet again, at tremendous cost: wide scale human misery and heightened threats to U.S. interests.

As we study what’s happened, let’s first dispense with the canards: that this fiasco was inevitable and that it’s all former President Donald Trump’s fault.

The reality is that, during Trump’s tenure and despite the Afghan government’s many imperfections, Afghanistan had made great strides. The government controlled most of the country’s territory. There was real economic growth. Women could work. Children could go to school.

Further, the cost of fostering regional stability by maintaining a stable Afghanistan was well within reason. The U.S. was spending less in Afghanistan in a year than we used to spend in a week. American forces were training and advising Afghan forces. Our troops were not fighting wars and taking causalities. This was clearly sustainable.

And how, in heaven’s name, is Trump to blame for Biden’s disastrous decision to cut and run? Trump was negotiating with the Taliban, but there was nothing wrong with that. The negotiations were conditions-based, and Trump made clear the Taliban would be held accountable for its actions.

Moreover, Trump’s team made sure that if, in the end, the Taliban proved untrustworthy, the remaining U.S. force had been sized and scoped to present a serious deterrent to the Taliban and be sufficient to protect U.S. interests.

Trump, in fact, handed Biden a problem mostly solved. All Biden had to do was negotiate a lasting settlement from a position of strength or maintain an economy of force presence in Afghanistan if the Taliban failed to deliver. Instead, Biden just decided to call it a day and call the troops home regardless of what the Taliban did on the ground.

The Taliban’s offensive should surprise no one, given the conditions handed to it. Why would it not take advantage of Biden’s abandonment of Afghanistan? It knew full well the odds that this president would try to stop its orgy of murder, rape, forced marriages, and mayhem was near zero.

Of course, Biden will blame Trump. He will blame the Taliban. He can make all the excuses and spin all the narratives he wants, but a narrative can’t stop a bullet. This is a disaster. The situation did not collapse until he withdrew troops—and it is impossible not to conclude this happened because of what he decided.

Here is the bigger problem. This was not a one-off decision. This is part of a pattern of Obama-Biden foreign policy. And that should surprise no one since the current policies are being managed by much the same people.

In Iraq, after spending much time and effort stabilizing the country, former President Barack Obama precipitously withdrew U.S. troops. It was like ordering firefighters who had extinguished a wildfire to not stick around after the wildfire in case the blaze rekindles. ISIS mushroomed overnight, creating the largest and most powerful terrorist state in modern history.

In Libya, Obama insisted on leading from behind. And once Gaddafi was gone from the picture, he ignored the spiraling decline in the security situation until our diplomatic facilities in Benghazi were smoking ruins.

This is the Obama-Biden playbook. Disengage in dangerous situations, and hope everything doesn’t go to hell in a hand basket. And when those fond hopes don’t pan out? Time to make excuses; shift blame; do anything but deal with the problem—unless there is absolutely no alternative.

In the face of America’s enemies, the default position of Obama-Biden foreign policy default is accommodation and appeasement. Unfortunately, the bad guys are not stupid. They had eight years to study the Obama playbook, and they know what to do with it: exploit the deliberate self-weakening.

Biden is carrying on exactly the same foreign policy. Caving to Russia on Nord Stream 2. Refusing to confront China on the origins of COVID-19. Pleading with Tehran to let the U.S. back in the Iran nuclear deal.

No good will come of this.