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and they can hunt all regular season too. Geesh you make it sound like they are all out to shoot anything that moves. Statistically the kids who just complete a hunter ed class are safer than the parents who will be accompanying them. It is all good. We will all survive to hunt another day.

I am not against the youth day.. but I think it is unnecessary as well... everyday can be youth day without keeping adult hunters out of the woods... those 8000 youths don't need a special day to have someone take them hunting... take them hunting every day.. now that would be special!

I understand all that... I'm only talking about how easy I think it is to pic out a legal deer if the AR is in place and that under the 3 on a side AR rule there is no accidental kills... just irresposible kills. We must also remember that there are many that DO think the trade off is worth it... I just don't think the accidental kills thing is a good argument against AR's.. The best argument is that hunters just don't want them because they want to be able to kill yearling bucks and don't care about a balanced buck age structure in the herd... that is at least honest.

my boy got hit on the lip with one.It is soo huge!!!

It's on the internet so it must be true.

Don't go in the woods and pretend it is closed..lol

Doc: I got confirmation from a DEC spokesperson a few minutes ago that "Per you inquiry below, yes, DEC issued an official press release announcing that the first-ever Youth Firearms Season will take place this Columbus Day Weekend; October 6, 7, and 8; 2012. The DEC website is being updated accordingly." So I was right, the website hadn't been updated. So anyone following the first url in the release will stil see the conflicting message (i.e. the youth season is on...the youth season is off...) until they update the site. But "the Yute" season is on!

Lol ..It's that time of year...I called Mr B at work before I totally unraveled and said " Honey..... remember when...????".... he swore he'd seen it where I'd placed it and he never touched the release just the bow...OK..Well I called to let him know I'd finally found it....After looking EVERY WHERE....and said by the way we'er having beer can chicken for dinner...I found a whole chicken I'd bought in the spare fridge...expires today...while I was looking for the release...Yes I even tore apart the friges!....he just laughed and said have a good day...Luv ya.,,, I know he was thinking Freaking thank the heavens...It's safe to go home....phewww!...lol

The truth is that Obama has been great for gun sales. So the NRA will continue with their fear campaign that Obama is going to take all your guns because it will continue to lead to more gun sales. I'm a long time NRA member, but they are clearly playing a game here and it has been working great for the firearms industry.

I know that feeling all too well. At least Felonious is true Libertarian. I can respect that, even if we disagree on a lot of issues. Ants is....Ants. I honestly can't wait for the election to be over so most of these political posts will stop appearing. Though if (when) the President wins his bid for reelection, I think I'll make a post, once a month, entitled, "HAZ HE TAKEN UR GUNZ YET?!?!". I'm guessing it is going to be a rather short thread.

Deerpassion one of those long tailed groundhogs didnt have a good summer already. LOL

Greybeard, I understand your point, I really do. Yes, we definitely do disagree though. I am utterly against civil forfeiture in any case where guilt has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Call it a Constitutional thing if you will. Civil forfeiture rules, as they stand in any case, grant all power to the government and place the burden of proof that the material seized is not illicit on the citizen. This is backwards and unAmerican in any fashion. The burden of proof is, and ALWAYS SHOULD BE on the accuser. In cases like these, the accuser(s) are the people, through their representatives in government and law enforcement. I cannot condone the theft of property by government without due process. The Constitution itself, as I posted earlier, enumerates this requirement. I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. I understand the concept of punishing criminals, but no one is adjudicated a criminal unless they either plead guilty to a charge of their own volition, or are found guilty by a jury of their peers. Anything else is a circumvention of the limitations placed on government power by our founding charter. Let's propose a hypothetical. You have a root canal done, and your oral surgeon writes you a prescription for 10 vicodin, 2 a day for 5 days. That should be more than enough for you to get to a point where the pain is no longer so great you need any such drugs to cope. You stop taking the pills after 3 days, and still have 2 days worth, or 4 pills left. You don't need them anymore, so they get shuffled to the back of your medicine cabinet where they are promptly forgotten. A year goes by, and those pills are still there. You now possess a controlled substance without a valid prescription, a federal felony. You are by definition a "controlled substance offender." Would you be perfectly fine with the BATFU coming and confiscating your arms over that? Essentially, that's what this executive directive does. It gives the BATFU power over everyone, not just hardened criminals who are out on the street selling methamphetamine to kindergartners. Now, I know you'd never keep those pills after their expiration date. Heck, you're probably man enough where you'd not only not fill the prescription, but you'd eat nails and spit thumbtacks just to prove it. Remember though, this was purely a hypothetical situation. Sort of like in California, where medical marijuana users are placed in the NICS "deny" column. Even though our current Executive said he would not pursue legal action against citizens in states where medical marijuana is legal. Would you like mustard, mayo, or ketchup on your poop sandwich?

WNYBuckhunter, Maybe you should start an "economics of hunting" thread instead of hijacking this one.

Hell, I'd try to line 'em up and shoot 'em BOTH !!! <<GRIN>>..Before some of you tight asses get all fired up, I'm just KIDDING..!!..

Welcome to the forum! Good hunting to you! Be safe!

Welcome to Hunting NY

Doey... I switched this year to Blazer vanes and had trouble with them adhering to the arrow - until I put on the 4" wrap beforehand. After that I had no problems what-so-ever. I also switched to SlickTrick RazorTrick broadheads. Twix the Blazers and the Tricks I'm shooting one pin now out to 30-32 yards. You can get Blazers in QuickFletch too... just make sure you get the ones made by NAP and not Bohning - HUGE difference in performance!

Welcome...

when i have togo. i go to your tree stand and go under it

Dodged the question, didn't you ants?? You are so narrow-minded, shallow and ignorant....To think that you vote is, indeed, scary!

I'm still getting used to the feel of the new bow, but here's my first 30 yd. group from this morning...

wow funny you guys bring this up, my wife raked over a ground bee nest yesterday afternoon and got stung 7 times, she came running into the house tripping up the stairs on the way in and those little bastards followed her right into the house!. i was running around my living room killiing bees while my wife was screaming in the bathroom. i killed about 8 in the house, it was total pandemonium for about an hour! i had to have a stiff drink to settle down after that!!!

At the risk of whizzing off those who like this idea, I hope I can express my view as well without coming under attack. I think this youth special youth stuff is BS. Having grown up without a father in the home, it was my uncles who introduced me to hunting and fishing. The time we sent together was some of the most meaningful of my life and I looked forward to each opening day "trout season", "pike season", "bass season", wood chuck hunting, "squirrel season", "bow season for deer", "gun season for deer" and then beagles for "rabbit season". It was not only the "hunting" aspect but also the time with caring adults, their support and encouragement, the stories and laughing, the entire experience that came with the preparation for and buildup to the experience of the coming "season". Fishing since about seven years old and hunting since about age 13, I am as active and excited each year at 53 for the coming of each "season". With my own kids grown and gone, now days I have nephews to keep pumped up, and we hunt on the land I now own. I have come a long way from the little kid growing up in the middle of the city, who likely without the influence of my grandfather and uncles, would have had an entirely different life than I do. I have been an active game club member over the years, a county level sportsmen representative and introduced both kids and adults to the joy of hunting. After all this chatter, I guess I don't understand the need to carve out a few days to put young kids along with their adult "companion" in the woods for additional opportunity to take deer or turkeys. I guess I'm a bit jaded in my older years, because I see this driven as much by adults wanting to get an upper hand to take game early under the guise of doing something for "kids" than actually doing anything for young hunters. I just don't see the need for special seasons, when for me every season has always been "special", and with almost three month long deer season's in New York, there seems plenty of time and opportunity to help shape and mentor new hunters both young and old to experience hunting season as something "special" and not just a chance to shoot an animal. Peace, NYH

I pee in a bottle. Make sure that you have a different type bottle for pee than for your drink. I have mistakenly taken a swig from my pee bottle in the heat of the moment after shooting a deer. It didn't taste good, and it didn't stay down.

I thought about the small game hunters. I think there will be a lot more deer hunters in the woods on that one weekend, than small game hunters all season.

The DEC says it urges bowhunters to set their bows aside and mentor a youth. I don't have anyone old enough to mentor, and there's no way in hell I'm staying home that weekend.

I am all for new hunter recruitment, but I think there will be a couple problems. 1: The shooting will send the deer into the parallel dimension that they vanish into during regular season. I think you'll see an overall reduction in harvest during the rest of archery season, and end up with a lot of frustrated bow hunters. 2: You've got novice gun hunters in the woods, mixed in with bow guys in full camo. Granted, they are supposed to be mentored, but I don't think it's a good combo. Why not do the youth season the weekend before regular opens? That way the kids get their chance, and the bow guys get their season without having a bunch of scared deer and interruption from gun hunters. I know I'm going to end up kicking at least a couple guys off my land during the youth hunt. It doesn't take much to mess up a bowhunt, and the deer take a while to settle down after all the shooting and sudden presence of people in the woods. Again, I'm all for the youth hunt, but I think the timing is really stupid. How many guys are going to take junior out in the woods, and shoot the deer themselves? I know most of us are honest, but I wonder how many abuse the youth hunts?

I would like to thank all of you for cursing me today, 40 yard Robinhood, yes I was aiming for the other arrow, I just didn't expect to do that from 40. Here were my first 3 from 30 with no warm up..just for SteveB. Personally I think every arrow should be good enough to kill a deer this time of year.

My thoughts are for hunters this time of year, groups mean nothing. The only arrow that matters is the first one.

my dad has one. he loves it. his saying is.... whenever the 35 barks, theres meat at the end of it. hes had since he was like 15.

If a person is caught in possession of illegal drugs and that person has a fire arm, either on him or in his house in his car what ever,that weapon would be seized anyway, whether the person possesses the arm legally or not. Trust me on that!! That article said that the law expands ATF powers to allow them to take guns, from citizens with out due process. If that is correct than an ATF agent can simply say I THINK you're a drug dealer. Im taking your gun. Big difference

What a freak....that aint a leg, that's an ARM! When I zoom in, it looks like she's wearing a wrist watch and a wedding band!

i think we should take all these jacked up American Evangelical Cristians who just wanna kill muslims and send them and their kids right over to the middle east and let them meet all these jacked up Death to America Muslims face to face, ohh and lets arm them all with the very finest first, LOL!!!

Ha-ha .... I love it when gun hunters want to compromise bow seasons. Let's try this: quite often you read opinions on here that gun season is way too long. How about we wack the gun season in half in the spirit of "compromise" .... lol.

Southern crow call: "Cawww! Cawww! Cawww!...ya alll!"

You mean there's a ton of them and you'll find them all over our agricultural crop fields? I know, that's just wrong but I had to go there.

Crows fall under Federal regs..... One of which is hunting for a certain number of days (124 IIRC for crow). Bunch of states restrict days to stretch season over several months and those need to be outside breeding season.

Well you know how they tell you to "pick a spot" when aiming? It's a little easier on these.

I am seriously wondering what fish & game clubs, gun clubs, archery clubs and other such organizations that so many hunters belong to are doing to promote the sport. Back when I was a member of a bowhunter's club. we had several events and activities each year devoted toward promoting youth participation, and also conducted some mentored hunts. Today, I don't hear a peep from any of these kinds of outfits. Somebody is dropping the ball. I remember in years past, there would be local bow clubs with booths set up at Avon's National Hunting and Fishing days where members had kids bows and targets set up, and promotional slide shows, etc., etc. that were all geared toward enticing youngsters and adults into getting into bow hunting. I haven't seen any such displays there for years now. We have some huge sportsman's clubs that could have a huge impact on hunting and shooting sports promotions. They just don't seem to be interested in any kind of public activities and promotions. We have a rather hidden presence of DEC people even at events that are held on their own property. They could be having a whole lot more visibility if they had any interest in doing so. Any DEC representation in schools? Why not? Anyone in the DEC concerned about hunter decline? any events or activities or programs being worked on to boost hunter participation, enthusiasm, or knowledge? ..... I don't think so. And yet the NYS hunter is by far the most valuable management tool in the DEC's tool-kit. These are all people that should be knee-deep in hunting promotion and yet there seems to be less and less interest in doing so. These are people that could have real impact, and who could be working on real solutions. However, they don't seem to be willing to do anything that will actually have some effect, so where do you go from there when the people who should care, don't?