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The difference is the food plots are there for a long time, and provide longer term quality food, unlike a bait pile which may or may not get replenished regularly.

Got this one in Central Park last fall!

Heading to maine in 12 hours does that count!!LOL

Bingo! Its all baiting. No difference if its a food plot or piles of bait.

I always thought the concept of traditional hunting season should be for recurves/long bows and traditional black powder. With todays advances it is not too traditional any more. So if we use compounds with fiber optic sights and muzzleloaders with scopes and easily shooting 150 yards why not use a crossbow? Just my opinion.

The 2014 deer season is almost upon us, and we are having our first annual deer hunting contest, The HuntingNY 2014 Whitetail Challenge! You can sign up for the contest by replying to this thread, sign up starts now and will end at Midnight on September 28, 2014. In the contest section, each hunter will get their own thread. Entries should be posted in the 2014 Whitetail Challenge section under your thread. Contest entries must be submitted by Midnight on January 2, 2015 (Sorry, Suffolk special gun season not included). Contest Rules -The Deer must be taken in NY during the 2014 deer season (Oct 1 - Dec 31) -Deer must be tagged with regular NYS carcass tags (Buck, DMP or Either Sex). Deer tagged with nuissance permits or DMAPs will not count. -There must be photos of the deer included in the post(s), they must clearly show the antler points of bucks, this year's tag attached to the deer as well as a contest card (details below) -Entries will be submitted by each hunter -Each hunter can enter up to 2 bucks and 2 does Scoring system -Each deer will earn 10 points -Bucks will earn 1 point per scorable antler point -Scorable antler points are 1 inch in length measured from the base of the point. Fliers, kickers, droptines, etc ARE scorable -Total score of each hunter will be added up at the end of the contest, highest total score wins -In the event of a tie, greatest measured inside spread of the entered buck will be the tie breaker Contest Card With a black marker, make your contest card on a sheet of paper. Write large enough so it can be seen in one of the entry photos. It should include the following At the top, write - 2014 HuntingNY Whitetail Challenge below that include your screen name, and the date and location of the harvest (WMU) The card must be clearly visible in at least 1 photo of deer or that entry will NOT count. Youth Division There is a seperate youth division for hunters under age 18. Exact same rules and scoring as above. Prizes We will be announcing this years prizes in a seperate thread shortly.

I am out right now for my first sit. Had bear activity on cameras during the week hope they show up today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We are actually renaming the site to CivilHuntingNY Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

so a while ago i posted about my parents farm and neighboring landowners forming a qdm co-op with direction from qdma. looks like it's going to happen. everyone is signed up at this point. now just have to have another meeting to lay out guidelines and initial startup details with the others. i'll give another update when we've had the next meeting.

Got to love processing my own game and beef. I just had a couple burgers, seasoned with a special mix of mine. BEST OF ALL..... it was basically ground up short rib, main rib meat, rib-eye, and top sirloin steak. only did it because all the help was leaving me and they got enough to take with them. I'd post pictures but they're gone. anyone else here do their own?

Colton Palmer shot this buck in Orleans county. He shared part of his hunt with me on NY Hunt Club facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=606558439406166&set=o.154187968001811&type=1&theater

can anyone tell me what might be using this hole, tree is not that big and hole is a bit bigger than a soda can. Might be up 15ft. the dark stuff is from hole and i thought it was from shit

From what I understand if name and contact info are not present you can only be asked to leave not be charged.....but could be incorrect.

He didn't. He broke into homes and cabins when he was sure nobody was home. Besides he never, ever had a weapon, apparently. After almost 30 years of living outdoors, I guess I'd consider him an outdoorsman in a way. Heck he was only doing what a lot of bears do! LOL!

Holy crap that is the funniest thing posted here in months. Thanks.

That's on my bucket list! I'd love to shoot a bear

Great read. Amazing in all those years he never built a fire and slept in a basic tent, Looks like he'll have some time behind bars to write a book on survival

Mathews Z7 for bow, mossy 535 ATS for spring turkey and T/C Icon in 30-06 during reg season.

Fascinating read, thanks.

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Trying it out ............. made sure I wore a helmet in case of a crash

It can be used with no problem but I think a regular scope will do you better. I see a red dot as more of a deer drive or under 75 yard shot item

I usually throw the Throw and Grow in front of the stand ..... turning around is too noisy ! LOL

cool i hope it repeats itself for you in october.

Yup, There are all kinds of big deer that have been taken in our area that had never been seen before. Some of that might be that they never were here before and got driven into the area by the orange army, or perhaps rut has pulled them into the area temporarily. Or maybe they simply are far better at avoiding us than we ever could imagine. Even with the advent of cameras everywhere, the big guys are pretty good at staying out of the picture. Those that I have seen, are seldom seen more than once.

control your scent, you can try scouting i usually will throw up a tree stand if i find a fresh pile of bear skat. Let me tell you what it feels like when your stalking through the woods and you come across a big ass pile of bear skat. Its a very creepy feeling. Not like hunting deer at all. In fact its pretty friggin terrifying and anyone that says different is full of it. If you don't get scared of an animal like that then you sir have some brass tacs. I have been hearing all kinds of stories including multiple ones of guys getting charged by a black bear and shooting them dead in there tracks. While i would never contest a story like that it does make you wonder if they are out for blood or just investigating a smell they picked up on. Regardless i don't think i would take the time to wait and find out. You can try a skreetch call however remember you are making the sound of a dying wounded small animal. If it spots you and connects that sound directly to you then there is a chance its going to think your in fact wounded and at that point it will make a decision weather or not to go into a full charge due to your size and injury or a slow cautious approach due to poor eye sight and plain curiosity. I use a 30-06 in 220 grain or a ballistic silver tip 150g. Make your shots count and remember to practice standing shots at your local range. The last thing you want to worry about when yogi comes out from under a downed tree branch is weather or not you can make the shot but rather what its gonna feel like on your bare feet in the morning when you turn that big bastard into a dagone rug!

Born, I have quite a bit of experience with red dots on both rifles and shotguns using both holograph and conventional red dot types. Target acquisition is very good but I ultimately changed to low power optical scopes for three reasons on my slug shooting shotguns and woods rifle. I have a Weaver V-3 1-3X20 Riflescope on two shotguns and one woods rifle (Remington 7600, 270 Win.) like them much better than the red dots I used to have on them. I keep them on 1 power most of the tome. Their field of view, wide exit pupil and target acquisition are as good as a red dot plus they have the added benefit of better reticle crispness and superior light gathering during periods of low light even at low power. The disadvantages of red dots for me were as follows: (1) You continually have to adjust the brightness of the reticule as the light conditions change during the day. There were times when I would have been helpless to get a round off due to pointing the rifle into a brightly lighted area (2) The reticle is just not as sharp as that of a optical scope. It tends to waver and is not crisp like a rifle scope (3) In wet weather they can be hard to see out of. I was hunting during a spell of wet weather in the ADK's and the red dot scope became totally useless. I found my low powered weaver is much better to see through even if it gets a bit wet and I forget to put the lens cover on it. Just an opinion. Good luck. http://www.opticsplanet.com/weaver-rifle-scopes-v3-hunting-849400.html

One of the reasons a Kodiak hunt is so expensive is that Alaska requires a guide to hunt them. That little fact causes the price to go up, because the hunter has no choice. That messes with the free market and allows guides to charge whatever people are willing to pay. If a DIY grizzly hunt was possible, the price for guided hunts would be less. But a lot of DIY hunters would probably get mauled if they don't know what they're doing.

Kinda like food plotting. Lol

Note, I did quote your original message. So the distinction between the accomplishment vs the shortcut was apparent to anyone who read my entire post. The distinction is relevant. Of course, there are many who would not separate themselves from the accomplishment and would thus find your distinction moot. "I have no respect for you as a hunter" and "I have no respect for your accomplishments as a hunter" is going to come across the same to most people. Of course, stalking a bear for two weeks while living off the land and then taking him with your bare hands is a greater accomplishment than sitting in a climate controlled building and shooting one chained to a tree. (Hyperbole intentional, that is not the example you used). The point is that this level of distinction was not made in your original "respect" comment. People read things and take it personally - just as you seemed to take my post personally and respond defensively. I tried to make it clear that I am not "attacking" you or your position, but merely pointing out how the very situation you were lamenting gets started. I didn't quote the rest of your post here, since I am have no interest in getting into the "baiting" debate. I have no problem with your opinion. I only hunt a private stretch of land in NY and as baiting is not legal here (as was pointed out in your original post). Any of my references to it my prior post were only meant as a topical example for my opinion as to how discussion turns to disagreement which turns to heated argument. The point remains that your post I referenced started out with talk of impartiality and ended with an opinion ("no respect" = judgement in my book) on the topic which seemingly contradicts your original claim. I am not challenging your opinion on the topic. Simply pointing out that, based on other posts in the thread, there are some that could take your "respect" comment as a challenge of sorts. Either way, you have an opinion on the topic (just as valid as anyone else's) which would seem to be at odds with a claim of impartiality. It wasn't personal. I just found the irony a good example to use in response to your musings. I have no wish to get into another p***ing match with one of the regulars here (a moderator, no less). Just pointing out how words are often viewed from the other side of the screen.

LOL

I started doing some reloading a few years ago . Initially it is pricy to get started but worth the effort . Reloading equipment isn't cheap but it allows you to tweak your loads for individual calibers . A few years ago , it cost me $30+ for 20 rounds of 25-06 . I can reload for much less . Some people start out with a Turret press which isn't necessary unless you plan to mass produce your ammo . Myself , I deprime and size the brass and put it in a vibrator tumbler . Then I clean out the primer pocket and chamfer the other end . Prime the brass in another step , weigh the powder and pour it in the case . When I get 50 brass ready I load the bullet . Sometimes it's hard to get primers , powder or bullets . You don't see brass laying around at the range anymore so you make sure you save every bit that you have . Reloading is a commitment ..............There was a thread started on here several months ago . I am too lazy to look it up .

I should be up a few times in sept, Then several times in October. Or just meet up for a beer on the Island.

I reload five different calibers. There are some cost benefits, but not as big a deal as you might expect .... Particularly if you put a value on your time. The real value is for those of us who get a bit anal about small groups, flat trajectories, and speeds and energy and matching the perfect load and components to each of your rifles/pistols. It is not hard to get started if you have an experienced buddy to sit down with you and go through the steps. Trying to wade through the books and procedures and safety precautions on your own can be a bit intimidating. You should have experienced assistance with equipment and material choices and purchases. You should have at least one good reloading book (I use the Hornaday and Lyman books). Spend a lot of time reading the processes and info in the beginning of the books so that you understand the reasons for the processes, and also so that you can ask intelligent questions of whoever is guiding you through the process.

Welcome back. Everyone of course has been civil and no one is missing.

ill let you know on tues, heading up for a pre season scouting hike and bear hunt.

Correct. I intentionally took the question of legality out of the original question and tried to limit some of the off-shoots: "So what do you think. Is baiting for deer something you would like to get involved with (if it was legalized)?" I'm trying to get at the mentality and motives and gut reactions involved in bait-hunting and how we personally see bait fitting in with our visions of what hunting means to us. It's all about personal, individual opinion. Maybe I should have phrased it all a little clearer.

Hahahahaha oh I remember that post!! I still laugh about it.

So, perhaps the time is right for the new birthday present out front......

In preparation for this years deer hunting I've packed on 20 pounds of craft beer for insulation. Hope my hunting gear still fits.

So do the guys down' in the city try this in Central Park? Let's face it. Not every hunter in NY has access to property that they can place plots on.

Oh, seeing this thread pop up again gets me itchin for season, hopefully my first post of the season won't be , "just got dive bombed by an owl at o'dark thirty " again ...

We all use tools for hunting. Thinking that using some tools instead of others makes it not hunting is ridiculous. Some bait, hunt over foodplots with high power rifles, some use crossbows compounds or stickbows. Some use scents, scent eliminators, camo, treestands blinds. Sights, scopes, releases, rangefinders the list goes on.......... they are all tools. Thinking you hunt and someone else doesnt because of there methods or there tools is stupid. Remember odds are some does it more basic then you and probably thinks little of your hunting ability!

Thanks for the Happy Birthday wishes . Getting old sucks but ......... it sure beats the alternative . My wife supports my hunting but just the other day she asked how many more years I would continue to keep it up . I told her that as long as I could get up and down from a tree stand and draw my bow I would continue to hunt .

Yup great machine and sorry about the thread derailment,BACK TO THE SALE BOYS AND GIRLS!!!LOL

I don't shoot a slug gun anymore, but when I did, I loved my red dots. My favorite was my Winchester 1300 Black Shadow within 100yds.

So you dont hunt food sources? Water sources?

Really? Trail cams the all the guess work out? I know LOTS of guys that run them and dont harvest deer, and many more that run them and never harvest a buck they get pics of. To not want to use something is one thing, but to demonize it because you choose not to use it just makes you sound kind of foolish.

Took the kids fishing today on the Suckyhanna and my BIL caught a slob of a smallies and I caught his baby cousin. Pics below.

Steve Rinella did that with Bison, not bear. Bear you should never eat raw. Ironically, Steve Rinella recently caught trichinosis from eating bear meat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk