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From newsletter sent out by NY Crosbow Coalition: Senator Patrick Gallivan has introduced Bill # S7005 which classifies a crossbow. Please Call and Write your Senator asking they support S7005 What is in S7005 Classifies Crossbows as a bow, requiring the Bow Privilege instead of the Muzzleloader Privilege Eliminates the 200 lb maximum draw weight restriction Eliminates the 17' minimum width restriction Aligns the minimum age for crossbow use with other archery equipment. Allows 12 & 13 year old's to hunt big and small game with a crossbow Permits crossbows at the same 150' setback as all other bows Permits Bowfishing with crossbows Allows anyone wishing to, to use a Draw Lock Device without need for a permit Removes the restriction on minors and their mentors using a crossbow to hunt from the ground Allows Crossbows to be used during the entire archery season in all archery areas except for Suffolk and Westchester Counties and the Archery only areas of Albany and Monroe Counties. The bill does not address the exclusion of crossbows on Long Island or Westchester or the archery only areas of Albany and Monroe Counties. To our members in these areas, we still believe those areas should be included and we will continue to pursue that, but we can not do it alone. We need everyone to contact your legislators and request your county be included in this bill.

Sucks they leave any out..Must be a city thing. Either way its a big start and should fly thru without any friction. There is no reason for the Crossbow to be ruled for what it is... Full use in all seasons if thats the sportsmen's wishes!

They probably left those areas out because they are/were "archery only" areas for the regular seasons. Seems contradictory to reclassify the crossbow as a bow for the regular bow season but not consider it a bow for the existing archery only areas. Weird.

When you order a beer in a Jets glass do you get a quarter back? I'll show myself out

It's a sad day when people are more concerned about what other countries think, rather than what's best for their country.

Why should we care what other countries think. We are the best country in the world. Is it still ok to say that?

Once again this year I will be running the youth spring turkey hunt contest, with the help of Paula and Wooly as judges. If any of the members take a youth out and they are successful please take the time to participate in the contest. Lets grow this contest and get the youngsters involved!! This thread will serve as the official rules and entry thread for the youth hunt. This year there will be three judges... Wooly, Paula and myself. We will judge the contestants based on the following rules... 1. The youth hunter or mentor must submit a picture of the youth or of the two of them with their harvest. 2. A brief story of the hunt, preferably written by the youth, must be submitted. 3. You must post both your picture and story on this thread only!!! PLEASE DO NOT START ANOTHER THREAD FOR THE CONTEST ENTRY!! 4. The deadline for submitting your entry is 12:00am ( midnight ) on April 29. So if you harvest a bird make sure to enter it on this thread before then!! The winner will be chosen based on a combination of best picture and story submitted. The size of the bird WILL NOT be taken into account, although we encourage that you post the birds stats. As far as the judges are concerned all birds harvested are a trophy!! There will be some great prizes given away this year and we wish everyone a safe and successful hunt!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!! This is not run by HuntingNY.com

Good to see that the common sense approach is finally being applied to the crossbow. By needing bow certification to use one, as needing muzzleloader certification made no sense at all. Killing by broadhead is completely different than killing with a bullet. I'm very happy to see this bill introduced! But would like to see ALL areas that have bow hunting be included as well. Absolutely will be notifying my representatives, asking for their support.

No debate here. I have a lifetime supply of lead bullets for each caliber of rifle that I own. I have enough shot-shells already loaded up to wipe out all the squirrels and rabbits in Ontario County. I am not one to throw out good serviceable products that I paid a wheelbarrow load of money for, and so I know what material I will be shooting until I croak...... It will be the same stuff that people have been shooting forever.

Back to work in the morning.I have enjoyed my time off got many things done around the house,a few projects left undone otherwise a very productive time off.This has been the shortest layoff just a little over 2 months Sure will be nice to be back on the job.

Obama & Hillary are already a Joke. Obama is viewed as a weakling by the world. Trump does have the left and there overseas supporters scared. The Joke is Hillary and 4 more of Obama leadership. Trump seems to be pissing off all the right people lately. I would Take Trump over Hillary that's no Joke.

When I was a kid the landscape in NY was a bit different than it is today. I grew up in the country and half of all my friends lived on family farms. Farms were everywhere and that meant there were hay fields and where there were hay fields there were Woodchucks and back then lots of them. I remember well the very first one I took, I was hunting with a friend with my single shot open sight Savage 22 which I think was a model 120. This Savage had to be cocked by pulling the rear of the bolt cocking piece after a shell was chambered. Anyhow we spotted a Chuck out in a hay field and I crawled on my stomach to about thirty yards, the Chuck stood up and I took and made the shot and the kill. I became instantly obsessed with those critters. As I got a little older my Dad started letting me use his Winchester 61 in 22mag which increased the killing range quite a bit over my 22. After a couple of years I graduated up to Dad's Sako 222 and I was pretty much in heaven with that rifle. I put away a lot of Woodchucks with that gun and out to 275 yards or so it was deadly, I also shot my first Buck with that rifle. Well when I was old enough to get a decent job and earn some money I finally purchased my first Varmint rifle, a used in good shape Remington 700 ADL in the then fairly new factory 22/250. That baby added an easy 100 yards to the kill zone and I took full advantage of it's longer range. While I was happy with that Remington 22/250 I still was not satisfied, I dreamed of owning the top dog of Varmint calibers and in my mind that meant the 220 Swift. Problem was nobody back then produced a factory 220 Swift rifle. Winchester dropped the Swift and came out with a lesser cartridge than the 22/250, they called it the 225 Winchester. The Swift always had some bad press about being a barrel burner and, hard to handload for, short case life and the list went on, a lot of that bad press was mostly crap! I think Winchester pulled a boner by discontinuing the Swift and an even bigger boner redesigning their model 70 rifle. In the early seventies I was reading through a Gun Digest and came across an article by Outdoor Life firearms editor Jim Carmichel about Bill Ruger putting in production his model 77 in the 220 Swift with a 26 inch medium heavy varmint barrel. Carmichel who was a huge Swift fan himself gave the preproduction model a glowing report. Man I was excited, I was drooling so bad I must have looked like a mad dog. To make a long story short it was not long before I had one of those Rugers in my possession, she was topped with a straight 12X Leupold scope. I used Jim Carmichel's pet load of 39 grs of IMR 4064 under a 52 gr Sierra match bullet for about 3950 fps and hit accuracy paydirt right off the bat with half inch groups at 100 yds. To say the least me and that Swift back then were a Woodchuck's worst nightmare, I made so many spectacular shots with that rifle that I could not begin to tell about them. What pretty much sums up my thought on the Ruger 220 Swift was on a warm summer day outside of Norwich NY on a hilltop overlooking hundreds of acres of huge hay fields. I had a case guard box of 50 reloads and had just put down number 37 without a miss, I looked down at that rifle and said to myself this thing should be illegal! Al

If you want to vote in the primary, and you are not registered, you only have a few days to register then you need to be registered as either a democrat or republican. If you are registered as an independent voter you need to change that as well, and within the next few days.

E-Mail sent to D49 and D44.

Busy as H*** cutting, splitting and and stacking next winters firewood , weather permitting. Also clearing small spots for food plots.

At least there is some progress being made. I don't get the Albany issue with the crossbow. I have hunted the Pine Bush Preserve which is archery only for the deer season, but, once deer season is over you can hunt there with a shotgun using only non-toxic ammo. If you can use a shotgun for small game, why not a crossbow for deer? Scratching my head over this for a while now.

A simpler and quicker way is to mix your ground venison and seasoning, spread on a cookie sheet the thickness you want, place in freezer a few minutes to firm it up. Then slice your strips the width and length you want, Then dry it!

Well, it's Trump or the child rapist protector. You choose.

Usual Tuesday out with the wife. Yelling Goat. Berbere wings and spinach , artichoke bacon dip

Was never really a debate from the start. Was just the OP fishing for responses. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I wasn't able to find these. They are priced far below Rio, Cabelas has them at a starting point of $15.99. That's doable for hunting, but still steep for practice shooting. I know that doesn't help with the shipping issues, but it does give a price point. I hope the local shops start carrying them, or at least for Dicks to actually stock what they say they have. I found one box of the Rio at local shop and have not seen another box on the shelf there. This thread is more or less just going in circles. Time to get focused on Spring turkey and camping. Enjoy the 'debate' people.

Add Wooly Buggers, stone fly nymphs & Goddard Caddis. (easy to see) I catch 90% of my trout on those 3. Stimulators work good after the stone flies hatch & grasshoppers are about. Late in the season (Sept) sofa pillows can produce. Most guys I watch trying to learn work the cast too fast. You want to give the line time to straighten out before you start your forward & back cast. That will load the rod better & give you more power. A 4-count works well to get the timing right. Keep the slack mended & your rod tip low when anticipating the strike. Give the fish time to turn down before raising the rod to set the hook. The $60ish Scientific Anglers combos Wally World used to sell were some pretty nice balanced outfits. Either the Trout or Panfish combos were good. The only difference between them was the flies which were crap anyway. I bought one for a back-up 4-piece rod.

i like that analogy

It's a short process between ten and two, closer to ten than two! In other words the rod should t move very far at all, do not break your wrist, and slow down. Feel the rod load, bring it forward, and stop and let it "fire" that line just like a bow firing. Remember, ten to two on the clock face. Don't drop it behind you and don't let that rod tip get anywhere near parallel to the water

My neighbor found these behind the camp. He has found 5 sheds so far just one matching set.

If Trump becomes President He won't be bowing to the Foreigners like the wuss King Barack does !

Moral of the story, no matter how smart you think you are, someone will always be smarter then you.

Just finished this guy up and delivered him back to by buddy at work...

Oh for God sake, don't be a dink https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2015/s6843

I just marinade the meat in Worcestershire, a bit of low sodium soy sauce, and what ever spices for what I am making. Most popular recipe I have is; 1 cup Worcestershire 1 teaspoon low sodium soy sauce ( spices aren't really measured ) garlic powder onion powder paprika a tiny bit of cayenne pepper powder marinade for 24 hours pat dry and then sprinkle with cracked black pepper. No smoker or dehydrator so it's super low and slow in the oven with the door propped open a bit to allow moisture to escape.

He doesn't want it in all of archery.

Well, I just ordered the barrel from ER Shaw & it will take 12-16 weeks so it will be a while before I get to that point! I still have to bed the action, install the buttplate/grip cap etc so I can do about 90% of the work up to bedding the barrel. soldering on the barrel band, stock finish, rust bluing, etc. & such so I will do some pix of those procedures Hopefully I can have it completed in time for deer season. I just ordered the misc stuff from Midway. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/335507/prvi-partizan-reloading-brass-7x57mm-mauser-7mm-mauser-bag-of-100 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/662267/lee-pacesetter-3-die-set-7x57mm-mauser-7mm-mauser https://www.midwayusa.com/product/310429/nosler-ballistic-tip-hunting-bullets-284-caliber-7mm-284-diameter-140-grain-spitzer-box-of-50 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/691343/sunny-hill-niedner-style-grip-cap-checkered-steel-in-the-white https://www.midwayusa.com/product/619353/sunny-hill-niedner-style-buttplate-checkered-steel-in-the-white https://www.midwayusa.com/product/766129/lee-collet-neck-sizer-die-7x57mm-mauser-7mm-mauser https://www.midwayusa.com/product/233412/talley-classic-bolt-handle-steel-in-the-white http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1781113977/talley-barrel-band-sling-swivel-stud-steel-in-the-white Lots of work to keep me busy until the batrrel gets here. In the mean time I should be getting the barred action of my 8mm-06 Ackley back soon, but that won't take much work to get it shooting. Load development for that will keep me busy for a while.

There is a bill to limit shotgun and rifle purchase pending right now which was recently introduced. The bill has one sponsor and is not bicameral, so it does not have legs at this time. Interesting you ask this question now, considering the bill was just introduced and moved to committee. Makes me wonder who you are.

I had an 8 1/2' bass rod when I was a teenager in the Midwest. When I took up flyfishing for trout in 1999 I went W/a 9' 4-wght W/a soft action.

awesome gun. definitely relating. i always wanted an accurate varmint rifle. i happened to be in the gun shop just browsing. found a very lightly used Savage Model 12 stainless laminate varmint rifle chambered in .223 that I was drawn too. wasn't impressive caliber choice, but I had to have it for some reason. pretty accurate and use it to shoot woodchucks with. definitely my favorite gun. I've made great shots. I get just under 100 on good summers but only really hunt my parent's 350 acre farm. getting less of them in easily picked off areas and more next to roads and other places that's hard to get clean and safe shots. same situation here. most of the farm is hay fields so there's still plenty of opportunity. ​this weekend i'll probably be out with it. seeing some chucks starting to wake up to look for partners. hope you get a chance to take that out. be a shame to let it sit there with a cool barrel.

Sucks. But hopefully someday. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hopefully the rod you got is a four or five weight

This is a pretty good chart a guy I know copied out of a book he has...gives a general idea of what flies to use when and what size Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

But that's part of the problem with this proposal. By doing these costs estimates of "kill shot and sight ins", you're basically obscuring the real costs to sportsmen and sportswomen. Statements like these also hint at not practicing at the range and being proficient with your implement. What do you think will happen to gun shops, ranges, clubs, etc when lead ammo is restricted or banned? It's sort of like looking through a peephole, not seeing the whole picture. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

The King did a lot of damage in his two terms so far but at least Trump wants to make us strong again, not weak.

Not true. Trump wasnt even on the ballot.

Dark horse Scotty Karate scotch ale 10 % abv. Yelling goat. Old hat for a Tuesday

Alright let's get caught up. Last nights was good but I don't want this new remorseful carol replacing ruthless carol

What pt0217 said. Al

I agree Belo. It was a great show. It showed how being isolated in the woods alone can mess with your mind in a big way. Fear becomes an enemy you need to either embrace or let take over. As for this season of Naked And Afraid, it's looking like they are going in a slightly different direction. A little more along the risky side. Not liking the subtle change.

Look's like you have a winner there!!! Beautiful gun!!!

I have no idea where this came from. During a robbery in Guangzhou, China, the bank robber shouted to everyone in the bank: "Don't move. The money belongs to the State. Your life belongs to you." Everyone in the bank laid down quietly. This is called "Mind Changing Concept” Changing the conventional way of thinking. When a lady lay on the table provocatively, the robber shouted at her: "Please be civilized! This is a robbery and not a rape!" This is called "Being Professional” Focus only on what you are trained to do! When the bank robbers returned home, the younger robber (MBA-trained) told the older robber (who has only completed Year 6 in primary school): "Big brother, let's count how much we got." The older robber rebutted and said: "You are very stupid. There is so much money it will take us a long time to count. Tonight, the TV news will tell us how much we robbed from the bank!" This is called "Experience.” Nowadays, experience is more important than paper qualifications! After the robbers had left, the bank manager told the bank supervisor to call the police quickly. But the supervisor said to him: "Wait! Let us take out $10 million from the bank for ourselves and add it to the $70 million that we have previously embezzled from the bank”. This is called "Swim with the tide.” Converting an unfavorable situation to your advantage! The supervisor says: "It will be good if there is a robbery every month." This is called "Killing Boredom.” Personal Happiness is more important than your job. The next day, the TV news reported that $100 million was taken from the bank. The robbers counted and counted and counted, but they could only count $20 million. The robbers were very angry and complained: "We risked our lives and only took $20 million. The bank manager took $80 million with a snap of his fingers. It looks like it is better to be educated than to be a thief!" This is called "Knowledge is worth as much as gold!" The bank manager was smiling and happy because his losses in the share market are now covered by this robbery. This is called "Seizing the opportunity.” Daring to take risks! So who are the real robbers here?

A person told me years ago that there was more money stolen with a pen and a briefcase than what was taken with a gun!

I know a few owners of boathouses up there. Maybe I know your friend.