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We received our mounts back today! First time we were able to get a picture of the 2 of us together since I shot mine the second day of Bow (left) and he shot his second day of gun (right). This is what hunting is all about, sharing the outdoors with your family! I have hunted with my father my entire life (almost 40 years). He is 76 years old now and the first decent whitetail he has ever shot. The smile on his face is absolutely pricesless!

There would be no harm in calling the DEC law enforcement. They may be known to the local ECO. Even if hunting out of season and trespassing cannot be proven, they attempted petty larceny. A visit from him might discourage them from going on the property again.

Some really nice bucks there!!! Congrats n frame that pic for the house or camp , be something to look at and find inner happiness whenever you look at it ! My father never hunted n didn't get that chance to have those memories but I will certainly have them with my kids if I ever have any !! Priceless ... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I made the switch over to black flash cams and have used video pretty extensively. Still photos rarely tell the real tale. Sometimes the deer will stand there and eyeball the cam for a few seconds, then they turn and bolt. I have never had an issue with scent after they sit for a few days, and I tend to let them soak for a while before checking them. Once I get an idea of what deer are using the property, I back my cams out and set them on large scrapes and food plots where the human (farming) activity is normal, just to get some nice pics. I try to keep the pressure out of the areas where Ill be hunting. Ive tried using them to pattern deer in my hunting areas, and it always has casued the areas to be pressured and the deer stop using it. When I do set my cams in areas Ill be hunting, I put them up high, and install, check and remove them while Im standing or sitting on an ATV or tractor whenever possible. Seems to disturb the deer less than tromping around on foot. Just what works for me.

It can be on the same trail, just not right in front of your stand. Put the camera's 100 or 200 yards down the trail in the direction that they most often travel so they hit the cameras AFTER your stand location. I think Phade already said this, but it won't do you any good to have a picture of a buck on a camera that doesn't walk by that spot again because of either the camera or your scent. In fact, last year I didn't even put my cameras up in my main hunting area. Why? I KNOW there are some trophy deer every year. I trust my field skills enough to read sign and understand there travel routes to give myself the best chance at getting one each year. I will take my best chance at those bucks without even a 1% chance of spooking them (because I have had that issue of deer being spooked). Cameras have only been around for a decade. Before that, hunters have shot trophy deer for hundreds of years without them. To me (and this is just my opinion) the cameras can cause more harm than good sometimes. Thats just me, doesn't mean that works for you.

Nice picture of Bear prints about 30 feet of my buddy's camp at the birdfeeder. Have gotten some really nice photos of bear over the years at this spot. Other pic of the Coyote is about 65 yds behind the camp on an atv trail, Nice detail on the Coyote pic. As the crow flies, about 30 miles southeast from Syracuse NY. Now, I am not of the wolves in NY group but could see why people would mistake that as such.

What happened to living within your means? How about the concept of having as many kids as you can afford?

Checked my turkey cam set up yesterday and found a whole bunch of pics of this breeding pair of coyotes (and no turkeys pics in the past several days). It's kinda cool to see them up close in the daylight but it will be super tough not to give 'em a dose of hevishot in a few weeks, especially if they screw of my turkey hunting!!! The male... You can see that she definately has a litter close by...

turkey this spring thought I'd post this link... Take note in 3rd paragraph as to how far they travel... good luck http://www.dnr.state.mi.us/publications/pdfs/huntingwildlifehabitat/Landowners_Guide/Species_Mgmt/Wild_Turkeys.htm

My cam is on the edge of our yard. I do not hunt there, I just like watching what comes in during the night. I think it's amazing how alive the night is.

Today I went to check on my trail cam I sent out last week. The intent of the cam's placment was to see if their were any turkey in the area. Lone and behold! I haven't ever gotten a turkey before, but it appeard quite large to me.

Guys, check out this video my buddy Monte put together from this past winter. If you don't like to see deer suffering and dying, then DON'T watch it! He's got some other AWESOME nature videos on his channel if you got some time to spare, check them out. The man is a true outdoorsman I respect a great deal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsvg-B4VUbQ

You know there is so much of this discussion that waves some big red flags when it comes to semi-butchering an area to clear shooting lanes. It also makes me look long and hard at simply throwing up some pop-up ground blinds and expecting deer not to pay attention .... even if they are expertly brushed in. Think about a deer spotting a little square box mounted to a tree, and then think about some brand new monstrosity set up in their living room that we expect them to ignore. Imagine a treestand that sticks out from a bare tree with these climbing sticks buckled to the tree. And we are expecting them to simply ignore all our forest renovations? Yes it may work fine with younger deer, but those that have made it through a few years by simply being wimps, may just be a bit more twitchy when it comes to some of our constructions. These reactions to that simple little harmless box stuck on a tree should be telling us something. And by the way, many of those "bolting" bucks got the hell out of there before they even approached the box to smell it. It appeared to be just a response to a visual stimulus without the scent and sound senses. They simply saw it and scrammed. Yeah, a lot of these videos are telling us a lot more than simply the right and wrong ways to use a trail-cam. There's other lessons to be learned there too. Just something to think about.

Two real nice bucks! Congrats! What did your buck score? Enjoy the fellowship that you and your dad are blessed to have all those years. Sure wish my dad was still here to do all the stuff together. We did the same for 40 years. We hunted together, went to shooting tournaments together, and ran a business together...sure miss him. Hope you enjoy many more years together! Jeff

Congratulations to you and your dad,on two very nice trophies! Couple of big-un's there for sure! You are very fortunate to hunt with your dad for 40 years. He looks great for 76! Hope you guys have many more years making hunting memories together.

Well only got to take my daughter out Sat morning. Had everything set up pefect. Had 2 birds fly right down to within 30 yards to the left of the decoys fanning no clear shot yet, and next thing I know one came in silent from the right up a gully, and was in my decoys at less then 10 yards fanning. Daughter tryed to swing he gun to the right, she is a lefty and bird busted her, she managed to get a shot, but did not connect. No Sunday hunt as she had a friends birthday sleep over Sat. So will try again this Sat for her.

You may want to follow up with ECO Card in a few days. I have had some experience with him. A second call/inquiry might be helpful moving this up on his priority list.They are busy and the squeaky wheel..................

LOL. Seriously Papist, I don't know where you come up with this stuff. The alternative is to not shoot yourself in the foot by using proper cam and hunting techniques to give you the best bang for your buck without the added risk of blowing up a pattern. Setting a cam on a trail a buck is using regularly and then checking it, and then setting a stand on/near it, likely results in more mature bucks than not...knowing you were there and risking all the work you just put into it. I'm not talking about being high and mighty hunter here, just basic logic. There is zero need to have to get a pic of a buck on a cam on a trail he may be using to kill him off of a pattern. Work backwards to find him until you can't push it and then go in and hunt with the stand on your back or make a very well prepared effort to get in and out with as little damage as possible. That is what beachpeaz is talking about.

So lets be clear..it would be illegal to be out with a shot gun with turkey or bird load out of season...but there is still legal hunting of vermin ...wood chucks... so it is not illegal to be carrying a rifle and one should consider what type of animals they are sitting in the dark with. Having protection should be on ones mind when being at ground level with animals. BTW...that encounter...NO OFFENSE meant here, could be taken as a open season for guys like that...call the DEC...

Totally understand Grow. We all know what they were up to, Was asking to see what the options could be. We all know how easily some of the excuses can roll out to get out of a ticket and how frequently those poaching actually get busted. Was focusing more on an angle that takes any excuses and officers "discretion" out of it.

If it helps that much why not have everyone go on it and not work? Then we would all be just rolling in money? right?

This cam is 8 feet off the ground on a slight slope. Same buck nearly a month later. He still notices it. Did he get used to it? Maybe not as bad of a reaction right? He never showed up again. This is a cam at a scrape. He never showed on the property again. People love to make generalizations that paint with a wide brush. The truth is deer are like any other animal, including humans. They each have their own disposition. Thinking that all deer are not afraid of trail cams if they constantly encounter them is short-sighted at best. I play to the lowest common denominator and use trail cams as if every deer were like the ones above. Some are not, but some are.

Report them, walking and trespassing with guns in the woods out of season is "prima facie" proof of hunting, they don't have to be shooting at anything. I see at least 3 violations and you have proof on camera.

Posted or not...they were armed with guns and decoys and NO Kids

Fishers are the navy seals of the forest for sure.

I want what your smoking.

Around here, they seem to get hit with lightning or something.......alot.

Congrats! Can't beat those memories. Now the only thing better would be if you had a kid in the pic with you. That way you could have 3 generations of hunting. Congrats again! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Congrats to the both of you. I'd have never thought your old man was 76 by that pic. Good for him.

I set a cam the weekend before last and have zero intention of touching it until me or Moog are walking by it to hunt a stand down past it come October or November. Once the card is pulled, I'll use it to figure out how the deer are using that corridor for future seasons and maybe a little intel for this season. For some people that'd be blasphemy...not being able to check cards. Who cares. I want the info to use. My cams give me 50% intel for this season and 50% intel for next season. An acquaintance of mine has run a trail cam on the same tree at a pinch point bucks take as the rut kicks into gear. It's been up three years now, and he only checks once per year. He can't hunt that spot often due to work/locale, but let me tell you, the pics/info he captures is nothing short of eye opening. If only he had bandwidth to take advantage of it. We have two spots that cams have proven set dates to hunt by just letting the cams go get the intel needed long-term. I started using cams around 2000 or so. I've made more mistakes with cams than probably everyone else on this board combined. That said, cams are a great tool when used properly (or as close to as possible). Knowing that they are just "one" trick in your bag rather than the whole bag, is a big difference maker. Plus its also fun to be at work and getting shots like this texted to you...

what it's all about right there!

x2 here for checking cameras with a four wheeler or tractor, at first i thought it may be intrusive but yeah the logic is that deer should be aware of these motorized vehicles throughout the year plus i see it as the four wheeler scaring the deer not the human directly, if they run off its usually until they feel safe and than they will sit and watch typically. but i commonly leave the four wheeler running if i do need to get off and check the camera, at least this covers any noise i may make.

I'd also print copies of the pictures and place them in zip lock baggies and post them on every posted tree on the property. Then, I'd turn around and staple the picture to every telephone pole on the road they likely live on, post them in each local supermarket grocery store wanted/for sale billboard, etc. I'd also ask for a few business cards from the ECO...print out a couple copies and adhere them to the same trees on the border. Make it so these people (in addition the the legal means) feel like its no longer worth the trouble. If they still do, then you can really hammer home on catching them with the ECO.

Guys I thank all of you for responding. I am raching out to the DEC as suggested. The property is very well marked and posted on all sides. Plus I've added additional posted signs with my name and number. I do have a binding lease so as for as I'm concerned it is my property for the lenght of the lease. These guys live in the close proximity as they walked over. I know going up wtihout my rifle was not very smart, I left it in the car, but that will not happen again. I do have a bear on the property as I've seen him on one of my cams. ATbuck, that is exactly what I did. It was not a very comfrotable feeling sitting their with no protection looking at 2 shotguns that seemed to very well equipped with the latest technology. A bit intimidating. Interestingly they didn't leave the way they came as viewed by the cmaera that caught them walking up the road. Guys thanks again.

Make sure the property is posted and call the local DEC officer. If you can print out a picture and give it to him...he may know who they are and might give some insight with how to deal with them. Its painfully obvious what they were doing and they should be ticketed for it. If they didn't have a gun with them, I would think they are setting up for a kid but they would still be trespassing. My advise would be to talk to them in a very nice and respectful tone but at the same time be stern. It would amaze you how being respectful can help you, even though they disrespected you by trespassing and trying to hunt on your land out of season.

You absolutely need to call the DEC. They could be known guys in the area that have been busted before. Usually law enforcement knows EXACTLY what door to knock on first. Regardless if they shot or not, it is illegal to be doing anything associated to huntiing out of season (AKA: carrying a gun and a decoy would be the same penelty as if they had shot the actual turkey). If nothing else, it sends a message to people when the DEC do start knocking on some doors (and they will if you have proof on a camera). Do not let it go un-reported. If everyone who encountered the same issues you did reported it, we would have a much better hunting experience. Unfortunately, most people turn a blind eye which just reinforces bad habits!

I would have called the DEC immediately...and 911, I would have been on the phone with the 911 operator as I spoke to them. Had they noticed me. Would have also got a pic on my phone....Then if they were coming in from a road would have gone to the road and gotten a plate # if they were dumb enough to continue on...I also wouldn't have been sitting in the spring woods unarmed at that time...bears are out and Mommas with cubs...it's not illegal to have a rifle for chuck hunting so having that protection if needed is important...also rabid animals have been shot already this year...another thing to consider

NFA --- I hear you . I put cameras 10' in trees on a friend's property in Walworth and have to carry a ladder to do it . I keep the ladder cabled to a tree in the woods . In Geneseo the property is much larger and I don't carry a ladder with me . I have had the camera in the same place for 2 - 3 years and the deer are used to it . They return for more pics . I figure that if something works , don't fix it . I have had other cameras on this property and had the same deer return multiple times . I may be hard headed but like I said , if it works , don't fix it .

Very little trigger creep,nice crisp break.

Very intelligent young lady your friend has there.She narrates excellently.

Well God Bless him for being a great teacher for his child ...I sincerely hope that this has been forwarded to the DEC..Thank you for sharing...and no I will not be going out and shooting young deer..for NOT ALL habitats are the same...We have a very healthy number of last years fawns that made it through some very tough weather...

Thats because 99% of hunters are not managers. They hunt,kill deer,fill tags and move on. Very few hunters really take a piece of property and make it deer friendly and in some areas that really does not matter. Deer are only going to yard up for winter in a few different places. If the work is not done where the deer really spend their winters then it really does not matter. Food plots will feed them while you are hunting them but when winter really sets in the deer will leave most properties and group up in a few winter friendly places.

That's a good question Burt. I don't think this vid is going to change any ones mind about what they're goals are for hunting season. Some guys will still deny this sort of thing (mass winterkill) even happened in their areas. While everyone thinks that food plots make up the bulk of a deers diet throughout the winter, I'd have to disagree with that around my area. The fact is the deer couldn't even get into these open areas first of all, and if they did, they certainly spent more energy digging through 4ft of snow than they walked away with. It happens every year to some extent, but your average deer hunter will never see something like this once he locks his gun in the cabinet and settles in on the recliner until next fall. It's much easier for hunters to blame the DEC for mis-management of the herd rather than it is for them to realize the reality of what happens out there when they leave the woods for the season. Just listen up next fall when you hear all the crying about guys not seeing deer in general. We still have a few kill off stages to go through before then with spring fawning predation, yards breaking up, and summer and fall roadkills which can pile up in a hurry as well. I have to say, nothing pizzes me off more than hearing guys say "the deer look good and healthy" when they see a herd along the road throughout the winter months. Not 30 yds inside the woodline could be a pile of deer belly up that they'll never see. I read it here all the time. The guys that take a walk around their property after the snow melts and finds one or two dead deer and think all is well with the herd. That's simply not the way you get an accurate total of winterkill estimation for an sizeable area, but it's the easiest way for hunters to assess winter survival. Put it this way... if you found 2 dead deer on your 40 acres, there's probably 2 more on your neighbors 40, and there may be 10 more on the next guys 20... and it goes on and on. I could really give a crap what other hunters criteria are for pulling the trigger. Trophy bucks, fawns, all the doe your heart desires..... the real problem I got is most guys will never stop after season to evaluate what happens outside that month or two of weekends they spent in the woods. They take their harvest numbers alone for what they're worth and base future hunting expectations off of that alone. You can do that, and it works to an extent for your average guy, but that's not really much of a management plan as they like to make it sound.

Belo, you missed the fact you are advocating removing freedom of choice from most Americans in return for false security.

If Walmart keeps having $10 for 20 7.62x51. And $10 for 50 9mm. I'll keep hoarding! Jk I only buy a few boxes at a time...every time I drive by.

Full grow turkeys,no I don't think they get man.Poults on the other hand get eaten by foxes and coyotes quite regularly.Coyote season should be open at least till may 31 if not year round.They are pretty thick in my area.We usually call in as many yotes as turkeys while turkey hunting.They really make your bunghole pucker up when they get behind you and you didn't know they where there!!

A closed season on coyotes is asinine. Typical NYS DEC

Darn it all.......................if ONLY the coyote season WAS open during spring gobbler season.

This was my daughters second year of youth turkey hunting she is 13 and she did not have any luck last year. So, we went out Sat put on lots of miles and seen lots of deer and 1 hen. So of Sat afternoon I had my dart league banquet for the year, and one of my dart team member's told me that he seen 3 jakes on their property earlier that day and I was more then welcome to take my daughter there to hunt Sunday. So we get up and head out Sunday morning at 5am as it is only a mile down the road from out house. We get there and sit down and listen. We start hearing the geese,ducks, and seagulls, and the waves hitting the shore line down on the lake. Then we hear some grouse drumming. It was heard to hear, but I though I hear a gobble to the south about a couple hundred yards away, so we waited and I heard it again. So we get up walk about 100 yards down the hill, stop I make a call and he hear a goggle, so I look the area over quickly and walk about 80 yards into the woods from the logging road. I find a nice open area on the ridge. I set my daughter up by a tree facing SW and I setup out Avian Jake and Hen decoys (theses decoys are worth every penny). As I just finished placing the decoys I seen a bird fly down about 100 yards from me. I was like did I just spook this bird. So I got back to my daughter and sit near hear. I got out my slate called and did a light call, and he hammered the call with a gobble about 80 yards away. So I told my daughter get ready. I have here using a 20 gauge Harrington & Richardson because it is small and light.So I make another call and nothing. So we sat there and listed, and I heard a noise. I told her to the gun up on her knee and aim towards the lake. I could hear the gobbler puffing up and drumming but could not see him. Then my daughter says she see's him, he was at 20 yards and coming fast in the brush, he breaks out in to the opening and charges the jake decoy and now is at 10 yards,he puffs up front of my daughter. He is fully puffed up (not strutting and turns and faces my daughter), I am like shoot, shoot. then bang, She bagged a bruiser of a bird.The hunt over with by 6:10 am. Total time of setup and hunt was about 5 minutes after locating him. It was a amazing hunt, with the bird just puffing up and charging the decoy. The bird weighted 19 lbs and beard was 9 1/4 and 1 inch spurs. It does appear to have a second beard, but its tough to tell if it fits the definition of a true double bearded or just a super thick beard that splits. Her dad is writing the story as she was tired and wanted to get some sleep.

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