Proposed NY gun laws

[hueyjazz]

It amazes me the media has zero talk in that NY already has a Red Flag law that they didn't used in the Tops massacre that likely would have prevented it.  The waste of flesh's wrote a paper at his high school that he wanted to kill lots of people then commit suicide.   This is what State Police interview him for.  And yet he wasn't flagged and was allowed to buy a gun at 18 with a NICS check.   Now there's some mighty fine police work and the Governor see no issue with this.  Of course, this is the same Governor that supports cashless bail.  And we will need a permit to buy a semi-auto gun.

But the media doesn't grab hold of this.  It doesn't fit their agenda.  They would rather immortalize the waste of flesh and give excuses for his "bad mental health day".  I would much rather there would be put limits on the detail the media reports on the shooter.  It only helps out the next mental defect to copy and do it better on their soft target without defenses.

As with most gun laws, they only pertain to law abiding citizens.  Every night in Rochester there is a shooting.  However, nobody knows who did it, not even the victim.  How strange that is, and it is really amazing the lack of detail reported that would actually help find perpetrator.  

[Nomad]

And last night a triple predicate felon shot at responding Deputies , just missing ones head .

My neighbor is a Deputy who works evenings in that zone , I don’t know if he was involved ,and I’m Leary in texting to ask , so soon .

They walk among us because the of Dems policy’s 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Nomad

[hueyjazz]

This just passed in State legislature:

S9113A (ACTIVE) - SUMMARY

Authorizes the filing of an application for an extreme risk protection order by a licensed physician, licensed psychiatrist, licensed psychologist, registered nurse, licensed clinical social worker, certified clinical nurse specialist, certified nurse practitioner, licensed clinical marriage and family therapist, registered professional nurse, licensed master social worker or licensed mental health counselor who has examined the person against whom the order is sought.

Now have you ever noticed on any medical admittance form is the question "Do you own firearms"?   That's because under the SAFE Act and other exacutive orders they already have this power to prevent purchase of firearms of those deemed a threat since 2019.  But most of the public is ignorant to this fact.

New York's Strongest in the Nation Gun Laws (ny.gov)

[Nomad]

35 minutes ago, hueyjazz said:

Now have you ever noticed on any medical admittance form is the question "Do you own firearms"?   That's because under the SAFE Act and other exacutive orders they already have this power to prevent purchase of firearms of those deemed a threat since 2019.  But most of the public is ignorant to this fact.

Hum I’ve been to two Drs here in the last month or so never saw that or been asked word one on guns , is that because I wasn’t admitted ,just an office visit ?

[virgil]

11 minutes ago, Nomad said:

Hum I’ve been to two Drs here in the last month or so never saw that or been asked word one on guns , is that because I wasn’t admitted ,just an office visit ?

If you're not a new patient to that office, you probably wouldn't be asked.  i believe it's usually included on intake paperwork for admissions or new patients.  And, it is not a requirement that docs offices even ask these questions- as far as i recall.  Some medical associations recommend that doctors discuss gun safety with patients.  But, i'm not aware of any requirements.

Edited June 3, 2022 by virgil

[Moho81]

I remember going to my kids pediatrician shortly after the SAFE act was put into law and we where asked if we had guns in the house. This wasn't our first visit either. 

[virgil]

1 minute ago, Moho81 said:

I remember going to my kids pediatrician shortly after the SAFE act was put into law and we where asked if we had guns in the house. This wasn't our first visit either. 

The Pediatric association recommends that pediatricians have conversations with parents about gun safety because guns are the leading cause of death in children.  It is not a requirement.  

[Moho81]

2 minutes ago, virgil said:

The Pediatric association recommends that pediatricians have conversations with parents about gun safety because guns are the leading cause of death in children.  It is not a requirement.  

Interesting. I am not sure if that's where it was going though. It was while she was asking us the usual line of question you get when you bring your 1-2 year old into the office. After we answered the Dr. was onto the next question. 

I actually don't think I would mind at all if the Dr. where to mention gun safety and children. The Dr. wouldn't even need to ask if there are guns in the house just have a quick little spiel about it and move on to the next topic like they do with so many things that affect kids. I don't think a majority of kids get enough knowledge about guns and gun safety. I've found that most kids that know about guns and have handled them in a safe manor only see them as tools. There is not this crazy fascination with them and the need to handle them. 

[Just Lucky]

20 minutes ago, virgil said:

If you're not a new patient to that office, you probably wouldn't be asked.  i believe it's usually included on intake paperwork for admissions or new patients.  And, it is not a requirement that docs offices even ask these questions- as far as i recall.  Some medical associations recommend that doctors discuss gun safety with patients.  But, i'm not aware of any requirements.

I am 43 and went to the dr for the first time.  I was not questioned about any firearms. 

[JJBat150]

This just came in the mail today.   Rather than following my Governor and elected officials' suggestion, and use it to pay my property taxes, I will be investing it into precious metals like brass casings and copper plated bullets...

 

 

[Just Lucky]

1 minute ago, Moho81 said:

Interesting. I am not sure if that's where it was going though. It was while she was asking us the usual line of question you get when you bring your 1-2 year old into the office. After we answered the Dr. was onto the next question. 

I actually don't think I would mind at all if the Dr. where to mention gun safety and children. The Dr. wouldn't even need to ask if there are guns in the house just have a quick little spiel about it and move on to the next topic like they do with so many things that affect kids. I don't think a majority of kids get enough knowledge about guns and gun safety. I've found that most kids that know about guns and have handled them in a safe manor only see them as tools. There is not this crazy fascination with them and the need to handle them. 

Education is essential with gun safety when it comes to children. Locking guns away from children causes a fascination more, I believe. 

Most humans are fascinated by things we don't understand 

[Nomad]

1 hour ago, virgil said:

The Pediatric association recommends that pediatricians have conversations with parents about gun safety because guns are the leading cause of death in children.  It is not a requirement.  

Really ? Imshort on time to research, but this popped right up .

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/child-injury/index.html

[virgil]

1 hour ago, Nomad said:

Really ? Imshort on time to research, but this popped right up .

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/child-injury/index.html

Look at 2020 and beyond. 

[hueyjazz]

I'm in the URMC medical system and it on every intake form I've ever had to do ask if I own firearms.  So, my bad here as I assume this was common as the SAFE act certainly allows for it.  I leave this question blank as all of my family is instructed to do.  I hunt with rocks.

But that's a minor point in my post that shouldn't be focused on.  There's already a Red Flag law on the books to cover what is being re-enacted for political appearance.  And that law wasn't followed.   

Keeping know criminals that have been arrested for serious crimes in jail will be far more effective than what's being re-amended.   And let's not forget these same legislators beat the drum to defund police and cashless bail.

Because like guns, police are evil too and never had a place within a civilized society and we should punish those that have obey established acceptable behavior for the acts of a minute few.  

 

[Robhuntandfish]

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2022/06/03/how-new-york-is-changing-its-gun-laws-once-again

[DoubleDose]

8 hours ago, Moho81 said:

Interesting. I am not sure if that's where it was going though. It was while she was asking us the usual line of question you get when you bring your 1-2 year old into the office. After we answered the Dr. was onto the next question. 

I actually don't think I would mind at all if the Dr. where to mention gun safety and children. The Dr. wouldn't even need to ask if there are guns in the house just have a quick little spiel about it and move on to the next topic like they do with so many things that affect kids. I don't think a majority of kids get enough knowledge about guns and gun safety. I've found that most kids that know about guns and have handled them in a safe manor only see them as tools. There is not this crazy fascination with them and the need to handle them. 

 

8 hours ago, Just Lucky said:

Education is essential with gun safety when it comes to children. Locking guns away from children causes a fascination more, I believe. 

Most humans are fascinated by things we don't understand 

The medical system should have nothing to do with gun safety/education.  Should the medical doctor be asking about time spent on internet, what sites being visited, other types of safety like bicycle, boating, etc.?  

Doctor: What brings you here today?

Patient: Cough, fever, and generalized aches and pains.

Doctor: Do you have firearms in your house?  How do you store them?

How is this relevant or any of their business?!

Firearm safety is education which belongs in the school system.  If the schools do ont want to use the NRA Eddy Eagle program than they should use their local law enforcement.

 

 

[Nomad]

6 hours ago, hueyjazz said:

'm in the URMC medical system and it on every intake form I've ever had to do ask if I own firearms. 

Me too never been asked . I have one on me at every appointment as well .  If they asked Id just lie . Just had a physical,Dr said what ever you’re doing keep it up , so i ordered more cigars and stopped at the liquor store . 

[phantom]

Im confused didn't we already have the Safe Act it wasn't safe enough?

What about biden son breaking current gun laws funny don't recall him going to jail for it or even being prosecuted yet has he ? these law makers just want to write laws to  pretend like they care seems like when they don't .

You got to get arrested like 30 times before they put you in jail these days what's that all about? But now  they care about gun crime ? 

[Grouse]

NY lawmakers were pressured to put some laws in these bills that would enhance school safety and they adamantly refuse to do it.  This is not about protecting anyone.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Grouse

[Nomad]

What’s taking place on the state and federal level will perhaps be some of the biggest loss of gun rights ever . They lay and wait for times like this to spring into action , for Biden it’s also a chance to try and deflect from how bad inflation is and how clueless he and his staff is on that issue , and hold on you ain’t seen the worst yet, by far .

Enjoy getting your gun license to buy a 1022 Ruger fellas , it’ll only take  a year or so and cost more then the gun…..

[JJBat150]

13 hours ago, Nomad said:

Enjoy getting your gun license to buy a 1022 Ruger fellas , it’ll only take  a year or so and cost more then the gun…..

Here's the actual text of the bill... basically it adds "take possession of a semiautomatic rifle" to every mention of a "licensed to carry or possess a pistol or revolver"  - it's passing the creation and issuing of the new license to the County Sheriff / County Clerk (or whoever is technically licensing officer) with absolutely no requirements of what is required to obtain said license, other that "approved as to form by the superintendent of state police."

Waiting for county Sheriffs and County Clerks to push back at the extra work that it's going to create.   Or hopefully, they'll simply said "if you have a pistol permit already, it's now also considered a semiautomatic rifle license"

Only good thing I see is that manufacturer, caliber, action and serial # isn't recorded like it is on a pistol permit.

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/s9458

Edited June 5, 2022 by JJBat150

[Robby]

[johnplav]

Currently 14+ days to get an appointment to add a gun to your permit in Monroe County... this'll only get worse.  

[Marion]

Currently 14+ days to get an appointment to add a gun to your permit in Monroe County... this'll only get worse.  

Westchester is a 30 day+ wait. Count your 2 weeker as a gift

[johnplav]

1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

10 minutes ago, johnplav said:

Currently 14+ days to get an appointment to add a gun to your permit in Monroe County... this'll only get worse.  

Westchester is a 30 day+ wait. Count your 2 weeker as a gift

I count them both as Unconstitutional.