landtracdeerhunter Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) They may invoke the mid-bow season antlerless MZ season next year. I just have a feeling they'll try to invoke it in the high DMP areas. That's the plan! Whether the DEC want to confess to it or not. That's for another thread, however. Edited December 17, 2013 by landtracdeerhunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Illegal as hell in this season.............. darn... well I guess I'd have to buy a kit then or hunt with a silly recurve from 15 yards away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nys-buckstalker Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Maybe go back to way it was. No scopes , open or peep sights on in-line muzzleloaders. Like how they do in western states. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outbakjak Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 we have one here in pa. and it is one of my favorite seasons nobody in the woods that time of year you can also use archery gear in pa.i don't think you see it in ny. due to the snow mobile season and trail system in ny.i think it would be a good thing . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landtracdeerhunter Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) we have one here in pa. and it is one of my favorite seasons nobody in the woods that time of year you can also use archery gear in pa.i don't think you see it in ny. due to the snow mobile season and trail system in ny.i think it would be a good thing . The snowmobiles and the hunters could work something out. Other states do it! Edited December 17, 2013 by landtracdeerhunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Snowmobilers want an earlier oping if anything. They aren't giving up any time and have a huge lobby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I like the idea. It would give me a chance to break out my old side lock that I haven't fired in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj1187 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 One minute we have to long a deer season. The next we want to add another season. Whats up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Season Whitetail's Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 To many bucks would be killed if they made the season to late into December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdwaz Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) To many bucks would be killed if they made the season to late into December. Too many bucks for who, you? Their job was done during the rut. Have you spent much time with an open sighted flintlock or percussion cap rifle, in the winter? My proposal to the DEC would have the season end in the month of January, not December. I doubt many deer would be killed but it would offer another opportunity to fill unused DMP tags and get the numbers more in line for the DEC biologists. I've had this plan in the works now for almost 24 hours and it has been reviewed and endorsed by my Black Lab. I am NOT flying by the seat of my pants on this................................... Edited December 17, 2013 by Lawdwaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyantler Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I've never hunted with anything but primitive muzzlerloader with patch and roundball during the late season...never even shot a modern inline... it would be nice to hunt into January... even a doe only season would be great... it'll never happen but nice to dream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm a traditional guy anyways I would love it also give us a week before regular season while your at it . Most states have muzzleloading before regular season anyway. The only down fall is finding blackpowder in this liberal state. I had to go to pennslyvania for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjs4 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If there are any changes in terms of muzzle loader seasons they will be early during the time when kids can use guns and adults can use bows.... because we need to kill all the does the winter leaves us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I'm a traditional guy anyways I would love it also give us a week before regular season while your at it . Most states have muzzleloading before regular season anyway. The only down fall is finding blackpowder in this liberal state. I had to go to pennslyvania for it. I hate to keep bringing this up, but there is a NY north of t he thruway. We do have a week early season before regular season. We share it with archery, and no one complains we ruin hunting for the elite bow guys. Try that south of the thruway and there will be a war with the archery guys. But I realize not many know about the above the thruway part of NY. Part of why the state is in the shape it is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyslowhand Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Assuming the real interest in any primitive cap or flintlock ML season would be among the older more mature hunting population..!?! How about a split two week special season, 1st weeks of October (anterless) & January (either sex)? As enticing as it would be to dust off my T/C Renegade, not sure I'd be too eager to endure the typical weather (temps & snowfall) after Dec 25th for a two week season during that timeframe. Would the harvest during the proposed late season even justify implementing a special primitive ML season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Season Whitetail's Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Too many bucks for who, you? Their job was done during the rut. Have you spent much time with an open sighted flintlock or percussion cap rifle, in the winter? My proposal to the DEC would have the season end in the month of January, not December. I doubt many deer would be killed but it would offer another opportunity to fill unused DMP tags and get the numbers more in line for the DEC biologists. I've had this plan in the works now for almost 24 hours and it has been reviewed and endorsed by my Black Lab. I am NOT flying by the seat of my pants on this................................... So your trying to say any kind of antlerless season reguardless of weapon would not put a hurt on the bucks that have dropped antlers? Did you ever think that could be the reason of the early muzzleloading season in the north. They wont do antler restricts in some places and then give you a late antlerless season so you can shoot the little guys they just protected the last couple months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdwaz Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Put a hurt? No.......... In PA they will/might shoot 1200 antlered bucks. How many antlerless bucks, who knows?? The state says we need to kill deer. How many guys have unused tags sitting on their workbench right now? The rest of your post makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithSkunks Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 it would be nice to hunt into January... even a doe only season would be great... it'll never happen but nice to dream... If you don't have any dreams, they'll never come true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Season Whitetail's Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Put a hurt? No.......... In PA they will/might shoot 1200 antlered bucks. How many antlerless bucks, who knows?? The state says we need to kill deer. How many guys have unused tags sitting on their workbench right now? The rest of your post makes no sense. This must be coming from a guy that hunts where there is a deer behind every tree!! The state has no clue what most of us need to do with our deer! For all the rest of us in the real deer world that do not have your problem, The rest of that post makes all the sence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-bone20917 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 As Bubba said, us northern guys are in the minority, but we have had an early muzzleloader season for years. I hear more shots fired opening day of ML than any other day. There are also more deer killed on that one day then any other day during regular season. So it is working out well for those that ML. However, I don't own one... I'm just one of the elitist bowhunters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyslowhand Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 We still talking about "primitive" muzzleloaders? Think some of you are confusing the current in-line MLs, their seasons &/or harvests to the OP's primitive ML suggestions. Not to add fuel to the Mason-Dixon (I90) fued.....suggestions may only be viable for SZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Looksa like a perfect excuse to buy another gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyslowhand Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Bet there are 1000s of flint & cap lock rifles in NYS locked in gun cabinets when people upgraded to in-lines. Know I have one stashed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdwaz Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Good read..................................... http://www.post-gazette.com/hunting-fishing/2012/01/01/Flintlock-season-represents-the-parting-shot-for-deer-hunters/stories/201201010301 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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