dec wants input about deer management

[hunterman7956]

here is the link..  NYSDEC Deer Management Planning Public Input Form  they say they need additional input from hunters .just might be worth checking out !

[dbHunterNY]

I think I may have posted this but definitely should go up again. Anyone who hunts in ny should be filling or have filled this out.

[NFA-ADK]

Done.

[Steve D]

Just completed the survey.....nice to know they are making an attempt to listen to hunters as hard as that may be with all the different opinions out there!

[Cory]

All done. Let's make sure you mention your love for crossbows somewhere in there gentalman....lol... But seriously do it

[fasteddie]

Done ........

[Merlot]

Done. Got a feeling that decisions have already been made on deer management and my survey will be tossed, but thought I'd give it a try.

[Grizz1219]

Done. .thanks!!

[Fredbear2]

Done ! Crossbow and any other proposal still not done. It June so don't expect this year !!!!!!! Unbelievable

[Nomad]

Done .

As the recruitment of young hunters, I suggested a bonus tag be given to a hunter who recruits two youths, that is they must pass Hunter Ed. So your kid goes but brings a friend too. Make it a whole , " learn and hunt with a buddy " champagne.

If it was Recruit 4 you get a buck tag, some guys would be kidnapping kids at the bus stop.

[gjs4]

They don't want your opinion- just a chance to say they asked it and respondents, ironically, wanted exactly what they felt was best.

I'm running 100% w my forecasting. After the sept ml, and full season crossbow it will be banned liquid lures and lead bullets. They sound like good reasoned ideas to the uneducated but that's how the dec can always have support in NY

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[wolc123]

I just finished it and submitted.   One issue I mentioned concerned getting deer numbers under control in the zones where they tried the 2 week antlerless only archery last year.   I believe that allowing the crossbow at the start of archery season would be far more effective there than a September ML season.   The biggest issue in these zones is that the deer go mostly nocturnal soon after they detect hunting pressure.  Those "booms" from the ML will backfire and make them go nocturnal even quicker.  

 

If we can hit them from the beginning with the crossbow, they will never know what hits them and I think populations could be brought under control in a single season.   Vertical bows are nearly useless at controlling antlerless deer (as DEC learned the hard way last season), because they usually travel in groups, making the draw a tough proposition with all those sets of eyes to fool.   Eliminating the need to do that makes the crossbow the ultimate antlerless deer weapon, but only if it can be deployed early, before they go nocturnal after detecting hunting pressure. 

[Doc]

Now, there is a useful survey. But I do wonder if it is getting to all hunters. We are aware of it's existence because it happened to get posted here on this forum (which represents a tiny minority of hunters).

[Fredbear2]

Well said ! Pressure from ml booms will make them go nocturnal .And then will have to wait till this time next year to do this all over again . Crossbow full inclusion is best way in my opinion! Time is running out

[wolc123]

I got to see that happen last archery season with ( antlerless deer in one of those overpopulated zones.  On our farm, there was a doe with (2) fawns that would emerge from heavy cover every day about 1/2 hour before sunset and feed on a clover plot.  At my folks place, 20 minutes away there was two mature does, one with twin fawns and the other a single that did the same thing.   Had they continued that activity up to the time x-bow opened, I have no doubt I could have filled multiple antlerless tags.  

 

The problem was, most daylight activity ceased about two weeks into archery season.   By the time x-bow opened, there was very few sightings.  All (4) of my dmp tags went unfilled.   We have the tools to do the job (x-bow), but the law still prevents their use when they could do the most good.  It seems that some folks must prefer the automobile for controlling the deer population by the looks of the carnage on the roadways over the last few weeks.  We will likely see the same thing at this time next spring if they don't let us use the x-bow at the start this fall. 

Edited June 5, 2016 by wolc123

[Fredbear2]

Yes me and few friends had same thing. Doe sightings just before dark and mom with fawns . Me personally I don't shoot mom's with fawns. Our camp in northern Steuben county was low for dmp last year and why was that reason. and years prior only one Dmp on first draw. I saw opening morning 15 doe in 2 hours . Could have killed any of them but no dmp . Dec has no idea how many doe there are in that area . So we buy our tags for our camp and can't fill the tags because they only offer one bullshit!!!!!!!. Other areas I hunt in Wayne and Seneca county doe numbers were down and they were all small

Edited June 5, 2016 by Fredbear2

[dbHunterNY]

Done. Got a feeling that decisions have already been made on deer management and my survey will be tossed, but thought I'd give it a try.

this one is actually public record so it won't.

[dbHunterNY]

Now, there is a useful survey. But I do wonder if it is getting to all hunters. We are aware of it's existence because it happened to get posted here on this forum (which represents a tiny minority of hunters).

 

then email the link to others.  we've done everything from posting on deer community facebook pages to emailing to everyone in our contact list who would give a darn.

[Buckmaster7600]

Done, I am very hopeful that they publish data from this survey.

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[Nomad]

Myself I see "booms" not having much effect . Guys around me are all starting to shoot after work during bow season .

I shoot on my range often during bow, hunt morning , shoot guns , hunt afternoon .

It's scent in the woods or being busted on stand that after awhile will change things in my woods/farm .

guys often say as soon as the guns go off the deer all hide, go nocturnal ( which they are anyway no need to "go"....) I say it's a bunch of guys running around the woods not playing the wind that's a much larger factor .

As far as last years doe, our farm took 40, which is about average

Edited June 6, 2016 by Larry302

[Buckmaster7600]

Myself I see "booms" not having much effect . Guys around me are all starting to shoot after work during bow season .

I shoot on my range often during bow, hunt morning , shoot guns , hunt afternoon .

It's scent in the woods or being busted on stand that after awhile will change things in my woods/farm .

guys often say as soon as the guns go off the deer all hide, go nocturnal ( which they are anyway no need to "go"....) I say it's a bunch of guys running around the woods not playing the wind that's a much larger factor .

As far as last years doe, our farm took 40, which is about average

Couldn't agree more, deer have no idea what the boom is. They hear them all summer and don't go nocturnal "thunder." People that walking around bumping them and spreading scent all over the woods is a different story. On my farm I walk it all the time deer become accustomed to it just like a 4 wheeler or a tractor.

[Fredbear2]

Wow your farm took 40! How can that be . unheard off in my opion unless your a fruit farmer with destruction permits !!!!!!

[Fredbear2]

I play all winds when I hunt ! Sentlok ????I play the wind

[Fredbear2]

Done

Edited June 7, 2016 by Fredbear2

[skiop]

Couldn't agree more, deer have no idea what the boom is.

 

Maybe but I've never had any come running to me while shooting. Also when watching some and then shooting nearby I don't recall any being attracted by it