Five Seasons Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I have seen no increase and I am part of that social media posting NY buck harvests... any uptick in buck posts would probably be from more hunters each year on social media as well as more pages available to post bucks. If the vast majority of hunters were taking bucks instead of just a small percentage of the hunters I would be more apt to agree with a necessity for a one buck rule.Also the rut kicked in right around the same time. Social media will not be a gauge, reported harvest numbers will be.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erussell Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Actually bow and crossbow harvests were down for 2016 as opposed to 2015 per the DEC but i guess some fluctuations are expected from yr to yr. last yr was pretty warm this yr its cold for the rut so harvests should be higher this yr. seeing a lot more movement of bucks this yr apposed to last yr. the weapon used really isnt the hard part getting the deer in front of you is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolc123 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 hours ago, erussell said: I see a one buck only if they are introduced for full inclusion. I have seen an increase of buck kills on social media since cross bow inclusion and season start this yr. which I am for. along with AR's. increased harvests with cross bows could help push them along. I hope they never go with a one buck rule, but I would not mind seeing the AR's as long as it was 3 points on a side. 4 points on a side would be a deal-breaker for me. The thing I like best about those AR's, is that they should help safety by forcing hunters to be more sure of their targets before shooting. In theory, that should reduce hunting accidents. I would only go for them though, if evidence could be produced from states or areas that already have them, that they do reduce accidents. I have not shot a buck with less than 3 points on at least one side in many years, so such an AR rule would have no effect on my own style, but might keep others and myself from getting shot by mistake. In addition, I would like to see it go to 3 bucks, for those who buy an archery, regular, and ML licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erussell Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 unless they are hunting for doe lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 18 hours ago, wolc123 said: I hope they never go with a one buck rule, but I would not mind seeing the AR's as long as it was 3 points on a side. 4 points on a side would be a deal-breaker for me. The thing I like best about those AR's, is that they should help safety by forcing hunters to be more sure of their targets before shooting. In theory, that should reduce hunting accidents. I would only go for them though, if evidence could be produced from states or areas that already have them, that they do reduce accidents. I have not shot a buck with less than 3 points on at least one side in many years, so such an AR rule would have no effect on my own style, but might keep others and myself from getting shot by mistake. In addition, I would like to see it go to 3 bucks, for those who buy an archery, regular, and ML licence. LMAO, Im so glad hunters like you arent in charge of the rules. I want them to go to a one buck rule, regardless of full inclusion, as long as they also get rid of any type of doe tag that allows you to shoot a doe in any WMU, and go to all antlerless tags being dished out the way DMPs are currently. For those of you that say "but they dont hand DMPs out in my zone", well, part of that is due to the fact that they have to take those either sex tags into account when they try and figure how many antlerless deer will be harvested in that WMU each year. It would be a big help for them to properly manage the heard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, WNYBuckHunter said: LMAO, Im so glad hunters like you arent in charge of the rules. I want them to go to a one buck rule, regardless of full inclusion, as long as they also get rid of any type of doe tag that allows you to shoot a doe in any WMU, and go to all antlerless tags being dished out the way DMPs are currently. For those of you that say "but they dont hand DMPs out in my zone", well, part of that is due to the fact that they have to take those either sex tags into account when they try and figure how many antlerless deer will be harvested in that WMU each year. It would be a big help for them to properly manage the heard. only the lord should be in charge. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokeandcolorOutdoors Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Add a week to muzzleloader/late archery, charge for a doe tag, and use the proceeds towards expanding our public lands. Crossbow guys get 4 weeks and muzzleloader guys get 2. plus more land for everybody. Edited November 27, 2017 by jokeandcolorOutdoors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, jokeandcolorOutdoors said: Add a week to muzzleloader/late archery, charge for a doe tag, and use the proceeds towards expanding our public lands. Crossbow guys get 4 weeks and muzzleloader guys get 2. plus more land for everybody. Not gonna happen ,the snowmobilers are not a group you wanna tangle with. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokeandcolorOutdoors Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: Not gonna happen ,the snowmobilers are not a group you wanna tangle with. I'm genuinely curious as to how this would affect snowmobilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I like the idea of a longer crossbow season after gun season actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tughillmcd Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Storm914 said: I like the idea of a longer crossbow season after gun season actually. Snowmobile trails are prohibited from being opened until deer seasons close. Edited November 27, 2017 by tughillmcd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tughillmcd Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 25 minutes ago, jokeandcolorOutdoors said: I'm genuinely curious as to how this would affect snowmobilers. Snowmobile trails are prohibited from being opened until deer seasons close. Thus extending deer hunting for 1 more week means snowmobile trails can not be opened until after that week. There was talk of moving muzzleloader season until the week between Christmas and New Year's to give the deer a chance to calm down after being pushed from Oct 1st and it hit the same resistance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokeandcolorOutdoors Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Interesting, I'm sure a middle ground could be found though. We rarely have snow enough to snowmobile here in the southern tier till after christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 13 hours ago, jokeandcolorOutdoors said: Interesting, I'm sure a middle ground could be found though. We rarely have snow enough to snowmobile here in the southern tier till after christmas. Look at the resistance to full inclusion, the snowmobiles are the same way about their season start date . Put those 2 groups in a room and I'm certain you will get zero results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I'm a die hard Archer and I say yes to all. Getting old and my shoulder strength aint what it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Bow privilege. Keep the restristtions..there are many bows that fit..and what is the advantage to more draw weight.. 99% couldn't cock more than that by hand anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Yep - just like a gun 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas0218 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 10 hours ago, SteveB said: Yep - just like a gun Yup uses a scope to compensate out to that yardage, and can be rested on something just like a rifle to achieve a shot at that distance. When you only look at arguments pro crossbow that try to make it be a vertical bow then that is all you will find. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeyfeathers Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Dang , thought this thread was dead back in November. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 11/26/2017 at 8:26 PM, jokeandcolorOutdoors said: Interesting, I'm sure a middle ground could be found though. We rarely have snow enough to snowmobile here in the southern tier till after christmas. It has nothing to do with the southern tier, its Tug Hill and the areas up that way that basically depend on snowmobile season to make ends meet for the rest of the year. Take a trip up there and see whats going on some year and youll see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas0218 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said: It has nothing to do with the southern tier, its Tug Hill and the areas up that way that basically depend on snowmobile season to make ends meet for the rest of the year. Take a trip up there and see whats going on some year and youll see why. We used to snowmobile in that area, start in Parish near the Grist Mill and head up to Montague, Timberview, Flat Rock, Barnes Corners, Lowville all areas that have tons of snowmobile traffic. It was great making a quick night trip for wings over to Kasoag, I can't remember the bar but looks like a barn. Many of those areas depend on the snowmobile community to get by in the winter months. Big money from snowmobilers. A lot of people travel hours just to snowmobile up there, lots of out of staters. It was nothing to blow through $100 in fuel for just the sleds and another $100 on food and beverages. We would put an easy 1500 miles/season on our sleds usually 150 miles in a weekend. Longer season ain't going to happen. Edited February 16, 2018 by chas0218 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 this year at the Upper Hudson River Valley QDMA banquet we're having at least a Cam X330 and Scorpyd Orion Extreme crossbows. Makes a guy want full inclusion even more. Things are sick crossbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, chas0218 said: We used to snowmobile in that area, start in Parish near the Grist Mill and head up to Montague, Timberview, Flat Rock, Barnes Corners, Lowville all areas that have tons of snowmobile traffic. It was great making a quick night trip for wings over to Kasoag, I can't remember the bar but looks like a barn. Many of those areas depend on the snowmobile community to get by in the winter months. Big money from snowmobilers. A lot of people travel hours just to snowmobile up there, lots of out of staters. It was nothing to blow through $100 in fuel for just the sleds and another $100 on food and beverages. We would put an easy 1500 miles/season on our sleds usually 150 miles in a weekend. Longer season ain't going to happen. just for insurance, registration, and club membership alone sledding is an expensive hobby. add in parts that need replacing here and there even more money. it's stupid fun though if the white stuff is stacking up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 This thread is officially just like that turd that comes back up after the flush. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFA-ADK Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Simple fix. End seasons, make hunting season start in October for all weapons. Full inclusion for every weapon. Bows that require use of both hands to shoot are allowed first 2 weeks only, after that its any weapon you choose that is legal in the area. No more muzzleloader season bow season is first 2 weeks only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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