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DEC Proposes Potential Future "Holiday" Deer Hunt

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31 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

You're correct, however the snowmobile trails will not be allowed to open until all deer hunting seasons have ended in the zone so it doesn't really matter how many lands are crossed or not by a trail.  As I have stated earlier in the thread, the biggest single issue with loosing trail access is people riding the trails prior to the end of the hunting season, and this will just make that problem worse with people chomping at the bit to get our and ride.

The DEC article states that the trails we be open.  I don't see any Issues.  

Again it such a small % of hunting lands, that it makes your argument against the extended season irrelevant. 

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3 minutes ago, mowin said:

The DEC article states that the trails we be open.  I don't see any Issues.  

They can't dictate that to private land owners... That in itself will make the matter even worse.  Trust me, if there is any form of deer season open in the area, the trails will be closed.

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1 minute ago, Rack Attack said:

They can't dictate that to private land owners... That in itself will make the matter even worse.  Trust me, if there is any form of deer season open in the area, the trails will be closed.

So, the state should scrap the idea because a very small % of hunting lands MIGHT be closed to snowmobilers?

That's crazy. 

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I guess I don't get your point about it not being an issue?  We already have problems with people riding early, when you push that date later in the year the problem will get worse. There is no pissing matches, the trails for the most part go across private land, when the people ride early, the land owner shuts the trail down and then it becomes the problem of the local clubs to try and reroute the trail around the land owner, in some cases this can't be done. Either way it's a problem.
Part of the local snowmobile club here. Private landowners will decide if they want trail open or closed at that time. Anyone hunting or riding through is at the mercy of their decision. It doesnt change the problem with people riding when trails are deemed closed due to lack of snow, spring like conditions, or whatever. Only thing that seems to help is locked access gates put up by clubs. There is literally no other way to keep the public off trails maintained by clubs at the appropriate times to not piss off landowners. It's a bitch session that happens every year at club meetings this doesnt change the business that will need to be conducted as usual.

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2 minutes ago, mowin said:

So, the state should scrap the idea because a very small % of hunting lands MIGHT be closed to snowmobilers?

That's crazy. 

The fact is, none of the snowmobile trails in the southern zone will be opened until this season is over it has nothing to do with any percentages of land.

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1 minute ago, dbHunterNY said:

Part of the local snowmobile club here. Private landowners will decide if they want trail open or closed at that time. Anyone hunting or riding through is at the mercy of their decision. It doesnt change the problem with people riding when trails are deemed closed due to lack of snow, spring like conditions, or whatever. Only thing that seems to help is locked access gates put up by clubs. There is literally no other way to keep the public off trails maintained by clubs at the appropriate times to not piss off landowners. It's a bitch session that happens every year at club meetings this doesnt change the business that will need to be conducted as usual.

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It just pushes it later, making the people that much more eager to ride.  I know all about it, been involved with the local snowmobile clubs for 27 years.  I also have trails that cross my property.

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4 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

It just pushes it later, making the people that much more eager to ride.  I know all about it, been involved with the local snowmobile clubs for 27 years.  I also have trails that cross my property.

If they push this through you closing your trail til the hunting season is over?

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3 minutes ago, phade said:

If they push this through you closing your trail til the hunting season is over?

Yep, and I'm sure the majority of my neighbors will be as well.  Another point to be made, the local clubs will push the trail opening back.  You have to understand, clubs are totally volunteer, do you think they have the manpower to call every single landowner along all the miles of trail they have to check and see if it's okay to open the trail on a certain date?  It take them all year to obtain the general permission to use the peoples land.  The clubs can't take the chance that there is a land owner on each of their trails that will be upset and shut the trail off, so they will just keep them closed for another week.

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16 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

The fact is, none of the snowmobile trails in the southern zone will be opened until this season is over it has nothing to do with any percentages of land.

It absolutely has everything to do with percentages. Scrapping the idea because it might affect a SMALL % of the huntable lands is unrealistic.  

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16 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

Yep, and I'm sure the majority of my neighbors will be as well.  Another point to be made, the local clubs will push the trail opening back.  You have to understand, clubs are totally volunteer, do you think they have the manpower to call every single landowner along all the miles of trail they have to check and see if it's okay to open the trail on a certain date?  It take them all year to obtain the general permission to use the peoples land.  The clubs can't take the chance that there is a land owner on each of their trails that will be upset and shut the trail off, so they will just keep them closed for another week.

Sounds at least like there is a good plan in place then.

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Not to stir this up again. NYSSA sent out emails with updates. Included in email as an action alert and is in the magazine that's both printed and available to download.
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