Leaderboard

I was so gonna edit my post to say "Geno you like men, right?"

And here I am...I've been called a lot worse things than a fool. I think we take a lot of this rule/season changing...like this new "Yute Season", as a negative thing because we hate change. We love our traditions and hate to see things change...but I think as hunters we need to embrace change...we always have, and welcome youth into this evolving sport. I am an old guy. I have seen/lived/experienced tremendous change. From my recurves and long bows to compounds. All things considered...is the Yute Hunt perfect? Heck no! Would every one of us do it differently? Of course! But from that 8-mile high level...we need to get youths in the woods and enjoying nature, participate in that life-altering experince... Let nature and the hunt work on them like it did to all of us...will there be collateral damage? Absolutely. Will people take advantage and poach? Yes. So? We've always had to deal with that element. But let's clean it up and fine tune the Yute Hunt as we always have. In the big picture...that 8,000 number could exponentially grown. We have to pull together and support this Youth Season primarily so we don't give the wrong message to "the yutes." The time for parsing and sniping is over. The first-ever New York State Youth Deer Hunt is on and let's each and every one of us make sure that we support the Future of Hunting. Look, there is nobody that loves his quiet time in the woods bow hunting...than me.

Actually, leaving it for other critters is a beneficial way of recycling the remnants. Why not? I do understand the idea of not plopping it in front of non-hunters, but there are a lot of places away from hiking trails and such where nobody will have to trip over it. When you think about it, I really don't go out of my way to hide the gut-pile. Within a day or two, it will disappear, and a few animals will head into winter with just a little more reserve in their tank.

Why because they have to learn how to gut a deer in warmer weather? If thats not part of the experience that what in the hell is. You do remember bow starts Oct1 right? You do know that kids already do this across the united states already right? Like I said before its called using your brain. Be prepared and teach the kids how to do things ahead of time would be a big bonus. You people are making this out to be way more dramatic than it actually is going to be. Again NY is not the first state to do any of this stuff, we are way behind in that category.

I would go over and beat you up but I'm too lazy so I'll just text you nasty messages. I'm also too lazy to type so I'll use a lot of acronyms in my msg like wth n wtf?

OMG... WHAT A BUCK!!!! Every year, I get pics of this big boy, but I can't believe how he exploded this year!!! I believe he's the buck in my avatar. I got pics of him mid-February, so I was relieved to know that he made it through hunting season!! He is a monster!!! Looks like the velvet is just starting to peel off! BTW, you can see him in the background of the daytime pic and he was moving by at 7:11am!

Yup..She's safe from me.. Shucks, I was still married in 1999...I didn't start dating grandmothers until 2005, when my wife and I separated.. Did one HELL of an unguided supercub caribou drop hunt in Alaska in 1999, too..That was near the end of the glory days of the Mulchatna herd. We saw 1000 animals per day for about a week.. No disrespect meant to your Grandma...God bless her..

Yeah shes been 6 feet under since 1999. At least I know you havent been near her. Well maybe you have.....not sure what you do in your spare time!LOL Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Never turn your back on a Greek Vaseline salesman...

HaHa! I just discovered the ignore feature. Brilliant!

No, it's not "ooh", more like "opa" to you fellas. LOL

I am not a fan of the youth hunt, because I don't think it will do much if anything to recruit new hunters and then keep them hunting that couldn't be done during the regular seasons. With that said, I see absolutely NO reason why bowhunters should think they will be hearing gun shots all day long during that weekend. Didn't someone state that the DEC is expecting 8000 youngsters to participate? Think about it, what is 8000 youngsters scattered throughout the state?? And I highly doubt it will be anywhere close to 8000 and you can throw in some of the bad apple adults who will be doing the shooting for the kids here too. Sure as hell isn't a BO army by any stretch.

Ooh! You did it now Steve863! You best be looking over your shoulder! When you least expect it the Greek lawyer posse will be coming after you now!!

You got off easy...lol. I killed it I cleaned it, Dad killed it I cleaned it. Uncle killed it, I cleaned it

Damn, Drama Queen, get a life you doueshbag....stay at home for 3 days BFD....

Along the lines of "animal husbandry", I'll share with you all a limerick from back in the 1960s. The reference to Governor George Wallace from Alabama dates it.. " A Hillbilly Farmer named HOLLIS Used POSSUMS and SNAKES for his solace... The children had SCALES and PREHENSIBLE TAILS, And voted for Governor WALLACE.."

Then it would have been worth the wait, or should I say weight??

That's it...I'm gonna start early too and beat the kids to the punch!!!

What if it's really hot and the kids get sunburned?...........or even worse, dehydrated.

and besides if you are panicing about your sights being off or loose and this that and the other thing not working then you must not be storing your bow good enough or conscious enough about how you handle it. in 17 years i have never took my bow out after storage and had any issues what so ever with my sites or any of the above. bought my mathews brandnew last season, its less then 1 year old i doubt i have any issues with it and if i do i have another mathews bow for backup. Granted practice, practice, practice is what we should all be doing but even those guys wound deer sir.... my equipment is TOP and brand new and i have perfect faith in myself and equipment to make clean ethical shots. It guys who cant judge shooting angles on deer and have little seat time in the woods who wound alot of deer doesnt necessarily mean they didint practice since april...

Weird. Someone should get on the phone to all the souther hunters and tell them that it is so hard to hunt in warm weather. States like SC have been deer hunting for a month already.

yea at first it sounded like a good idea that would open additional hunting opportunities for down state hunters, but after listening to the views on this forum im kinda glad it never went thru. 50 yards would be fine in an imaginary world where every hunter was totally responsible and had a brain, but unfortunatley thats not the real world.

Why not try to do a little of both? You're in the woods anyway... and I'm sure you aren't going to just let that big eight pointer walk by you if he happens along before a doe

So instead of actually looking up the facts, you just make some stuff up. Gottcha.

gotta say it again. You guys all preach the safety of blaze orange and how deer do not see it. So how does wearing it in bow season such a bad thing? Seems now you are going against everything you were preaching was so wonderful before, and now you feel like you are forced to wear it. I swore that was what just about everyone wanted in the past was mandatory blaze orange. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Yeah cause its not like we havent been shooting deer last few days of september and early october for years without issue. Got to use your brain. You know that thing that lies between peoples ears. I think every excuse possible has been brought up and ranted about. Guess what NY we arent the first state to try this with great success and wont be the last. The way some think is unreal. How many times can one person say the same thing over and over and over and still be so stuck in their own mind that there way is the only way strikes me quite odd. It has been said a hundred times already, this is a step towards creating interest to a younger generation. While some of you can sit there and bash away at the DEC let me ask you this. What the hell have you done aside from sitting on a forum complaining about a youth hunt all the while complaining about the early heat and probably not even going to be in the woods in fear of some stupid bugs and a little sweat. Sad what a bunch of whiners.

Pakistani protestor dies from smoke inhalation after burning US flag! I love it! http://now.msn.com/abdullah-ismail-pakistani-protester-dies-after-breathing-smoke-from-burning-us-flags

Heck, last year we were doing that in November.

If hunting frustrates you.... Golf would be the last thing I would recommend.

Can’t see what the big deal is most of the hunting will take place on privet land. It will be up to the land owner if they want to let a kid hunt with a gun on their land. They can just say no. the only problem I can see is some kid may kill a big buck one of us is after. Here what I say to those of who think like that. BIG F$^#@ING DEAL There are more important things in life then how big a deer I kill. My kids are too old to hunt the youth hunt.

I've hunted PA my entire life. The recent antler restrictions have only increased the quality of deer and I have never had a problem determing if it was legal. If its that small that you can't tell wait for something a little bigger. You won't see to many spikes with a 16" spread

Glad it's dead - would just let to conflict and deer not recovered. You can hunt 150 ft or closer now WITH permission. Chances are if someone won't let you bow hunt closer then 500 ft to them when you ask, they are not going to let you recover one on their property you shoot 30 yds from their kitchen table.

My God man, do you ever read my posts at all? No, I am not going to repeat it all again just because some decide to read only a line or two. In fact no less that adozen times I have described in painful detail what my objections are to this feel-good window-dressing activity are. For crying out loud ..... look it up! Frankly, I don't really care what people have forced themselves to do whether they hunt the Northern Zone or the Southern Zone or some other state. I'm telling you that I simply don't care to hunt with sweat running down my back and mosquitoes banging into my face and a short time clock on recovering downed game. If you have come to love that sort of thing, good for you. Some how I suspect I'm not alone in that.

Welcome Mr. NYB Heck of a first post!!

Yes, which came first, the chicken or the egg. Either way you choose to look at it, it was a flat out dumb move. Sorry, but there is simply no kinder way of putting it. The way I see it, they took time away from bowhunters when they went to the Saturday opener. They simply were giving it back plus a bit more. That was payback. Unfortunately they took away some prime time and gave us back some crap. I have no reason to be happy about the "give-back" yet. I was ok with the way it was, and it is yet to be seen how enjoyable this warmer, potentially bug-infested, leaf-clogged, early start really turns out to be. But apparently there are a whole lot of bowhunters that think it's some kind of wonderful thing. I'll be able to say more about that when I have sampled a bit of it. But right now it is a bit premature to say what "I should be happy about".

I grew up in the country in a hunting culture, my Dad was the biggest influence, grandfather, uncles and my Dad's best friends were all hunters and talked hunting all the time. My neighbors were hunters along with many of my friends I went to school with. It was easy to get hooked on hunting under all those influences and hunting tales. Al

I don't think I'll be blind calling much untial end of October and that's usually limited at best. I also wouldn't waste time in scents until later in the month. With Oct....you want to capitalize on patterns and your best bet...the first time in and catch them before they know they are being hunted.

Sure. Because it has worked just fine in other states. No bow hunters being shot out of trees, archery seasons not being ruined. In fact, I have yet to read or hear about all of these horror stories that everyone is worried about, going on in other states that have had these early youth hunts in place. Also, the reasoning on why they put it at that time was to allow the kids into the woods when the chances of good weather and calm deer were better.

Lol .... With all due respect, was there some kind of answer to my question about mentors buried in all that? How those questions relate to my comments about the flow of information and rumors beats the hell out of me. I guess that was just a random shot aimed at who knows what. And was there something over the past two years where the DEC explained about where these mysterious mentors were going to come from when they are so obviously missing during the regular season? I must have missed it. As far as the bowhunters becoming the mentors, It seems to me that they have simply removed a large percentage of them as mentors by making them choose between their season and the gun mentoring. Have they changed the law about bowhunting alongside of someone possessing a firearm? So that comment didn't make a whole lot of sense did it? No more than placing the youth season inside of a bow season did. The weather argument? .... well we have already done that one multiple times, but if you insist that kids need to be fooled about the comfort levels of hunting season, September provided a whole month of nice toasty weather. The holiday argument? .... just another date when there are all kinds of family activities competing with a youth hunt that wouldn't have to be dealt with on a normal weekend. So let me amend my question a bit: Has anybody ever heard a good explanation why the DEC chose to stuff the youth season right into the bow season .... that makes any sense? Look, I have been known to be a bit of an apologist for the DEC too on occasion. But when they screw up, I am quick to comment on that too. But DEC or no DEC, I am still looking for someone to stop dodging the question about where they think all these mentors will be coming from. It's a serious question and nobody seems to have an answer.

Very good point here. So with the youth hunt on Columbus day weekend, bowhunters don't really get the normal bowhunting woods back until the weekend of the 13th, which brings them pretty much back to the same boat they were before when bowhunting opened closer to the middle of the month. So in essence bowhunters have gained very little with the season opener on the 1st. I tell you the more I think about this youth season, the less I like it. I think it will bring out more of the yahoo hunters who want to drag a kid a long just so they can kill that spike or forkhorn for them that they wouldn't be able to kill otherwise in the AR units. I honestly think there will be MORE of these types out during this youth hunt than the legitimate mentor/kid.

Doc, With all due respect, you are complaining about the flow of information, rumors, etc. yet you post these random questions claiming no one is asking them and they are of utmost importance... Then point fingers and place blame. Were you around over the past two years when the DEC put this out for public discussion, posted information updates, held public meetings, took feedback through multiple sources? No one says bow or gun hunters NEED to hunt these 3 days, it is simply an option now that was not there in the past. I do not like the plan but it is set for now. If you're concerned, wear orange, don't hunt, take a youth, plenty of options. I believe some of the DEC's reasoning was the holiday weekend would allow families time to hunt and not interfere with school, and it is typically mild weather. I think they also claimed that people who bowhunt are more likely to recruit their kids into hunting due to the increased length of that season, whereas people who only gun hunt have less time to do so. Again, I think this plan is far from perfect but at this point it's a little late to whine and moan about it, DEC gave us that opportunity over the past two years and is closed now. Give it a chance. Spread the word so fellow hunters on both sides know it's going on. Maybe it will get some kids out in the woods who otherwise wouldn't be. At least they are trying, and they sure as heck gave plenty of opportunity for feedback leading up to this. If it doesn't work, hopefully they will see that and change it. But again, it is an opportunity that we as hunters have not had in the past. No one is saying you need to use it.

Well, I suppose it is once again about time to repeat the same old question that no one seems to want to address. If mentors are missing or unwilling during the regular season, just where are all these mentors supposed to be coming from? And now with all the wisdom that the DEC could muster, they have made a good portion of the few available mentors choose between the bow season and the youth season. Good going DEC .... lol. By the way, has anybody ever heard a good explanation why the DEC chose to stuff the youth season right into the bow season? ..... anybody?? What was the rationale? Just to create controversy and dischord? Again ... good going DEC. But anyway ..... let's blame the NYB.

Epicormic Sprouting Not Hope you don't mind.

Well it's been almost two weeks and so far she has been a real sweetheart to work with. Started working her on the lure this morning. If things go good we should be free flying in another week or so. And a vid from this morning

Justso I understand the Liberal stance...you know the stance with no contradicions in logic. it is OK to tell people what to to with their bodies when it is soda but not ok to tell a person what to do with their body when it is a pregnancy. got it.

you would

I have hunted the Catskill region for a LONG time, and have yet to meet the honest hunter who sees numerous bucks while out hunting during a season year after year. Typically if you let one pass and it don't matter how big or small he is, it may be the last one you will see in the season. This still holds for even the regions that have had the AR's for a few years now. If this wasn't the case we'd be seeing way more of the AR supporters here posting pictures of some of these nice bucks they claim are walking around. All I see is a few game cam photos and hardly any photos with hunters posing behind these big dead bucks. LOL In my opinion a lot of hot air is being blown around on how much AR's have improved things.

Slick tricks

BTW - here are some of my son through his hunting years......mentoring worked! My son's first hunt at 12 years old - pheasant ...his trophy ram in 2007...with his friend in 2009..by himself in 2006...Bear with bow 2010...buck in 2011...bear in 2011...buck #2 2011