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I was so gonna edit my post to say "Geno you like men, right?"

And here I am...I've been called a lot worse things than a fool. I think we take a lot of this rule/season changing...like this new "Yute Season", as a negative thing because we hate change. We love our traditions and hate to see things change...but I think as hunters we need to embrace change...we always have, and welcome youth into this evolving sport. I am an old guy. I have seen/lived/experienced tremendous change. From my recurves and long bows to compounds. All things considered...is the Yute Hunt perfect? Heck no! Would every one of us do it differently? Of course! But from that 8-mile high level...we need to get youths in the woods and enjoying nature, participate in that life-altering experince... Let nature and the hunt work on them like it did to all of us...will there be collateral damage? Absolutely. Will people take advantage and poach? Yes. So? We've always had to deal with that element. But let's clean it up and fine tune the Yute Hunt as we always have. In the big picture...that 8,000 number could exponentially grown. We have to pull together and support this Youth Season primarily so we don't give the wrong message to "the yutes." The time for parsing and sniping is over. The first-ever New York State Youth Deer Hunt is on and let's each and every one of us make sure that we support the Future of Hunting. Look, there is nobody that loves his quiet time in the woods bow hunting...than me.

Actually, leaving it for other critters is a beneficial way of recycling the remnants. Why not? I do understand the idea of not plopping it in front of non-hunters, but there are a lot of places away from hiking trails and such where nobody will have to trip over it. When you think about it, I really don't go out of my way to hide the gut-pile. Within a day or two, it will disappear, and a few animals will head into winter with just a little more reserve in their tank.

Why because they have to learn how to gut a deer in warmer weather? If thats not part of the experience that what in the hell is. You do remember bow starts Oct1 right? You do know that kids already do this across the united states already right? Like I said before its called using your brain. Be prepared and teach the kids how to do things ahead of time would be a big bonus. You people are making this out to be way more dramatic than it actually is going to be. Again NY is not the first state to do any of this stuff, we are way behind in that category.

I would go over and beat you up but I'm too lazy so I'll just text you nasty messages. I'm also too lazy to type so I'll use a lot of acronyms in my msg like wth n wtf?

Yup..She's safe from me.. Shucks, I was still married in 1999...I didn't start dating grandmothers until 2005, when my wife and I separated.. Did one HELL of an unguided supercub caribou drop hunt in Alaska in 1999, too..That was near the end of the glory days of the Mulchatna herd. We saw 1000 animals per day for about a week.. No disrespect meant to your Grandma...God bless her..

Yeah shes been 6 feet under since 1999. At least I know you havent been near her. Well maybe you have.....not sure what you do in your spare time!LOL Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hehehehehe...I have been dating grandmothers for several years now... Are you sure where your Grandma has been ?? She may grant me a REPRIEVE regarding my appendages falling off....<<grin>>..

You've both done it now! I just asked my old Greek grandma to put a hex on you both. First you'll start feeling really itchy, then you're going to break out into hives all over your body. Next your bow/trigger finger hand is going to start to cramp up and deform to the point where you wish it fell off. Then your hand will fall off . . . and you don't want to know what else is going to fall off . . . can say "buh bye" to both appendages. LOL!

Never turn your back on a Greek Vaseline salesman...

I just knew Pygmy would be on this thread...lol

No problemo, Joe...If it's a legal animal and I have a tag, I'm a shootin' unless it's a fawn..I prefer not to shoot fawns..Not enough meat on 'em.. All I can say is that ReligiousCop must either hunt much more open areas than I do, or have much better eyes than I do. I see quite a few bucks that I know are sublegal..I see just as many that I just can't study the horns well enough to determine legality.. Once in a blue moon I see one that I KNOW is legal right off.. It just ain't that easy when they are moving through dense cover and you may have just one good opening for a shot..

They say it isn't illegal if you start by yelling "SURPRISE"

Sounds like a missunderstanding, he said it was an accident?

Then it would have been worth the wait, or should I say weight??

These guys are all pu**i*s compared to his buddy Frankie the fixer.

That's it...I'm gonna start early too and beat the kids to the punch!!!

On Monday, I was up at Cougar Sports and overheard a conversation with a bowhunter and the store owner. Store owner measured him and told him he was a 26 inch draw length. He responded with "26 inch? Dang! For 15 years, I've been hunting with 29 inch draw!" I thought to myself...dude...you're like 5'6" at most with short stubby arms. How the hell were you shooting at 29" draw? He must have not been very successful.

That was this thread and it was Elmer.. classic thread right here.

Weird. Someone should get on the phone to all the souther hunters and tell them that it is so hard to hunt in warm weather. States like SC have been deer hunting for a month already.

I have yet to harvest a deer with my bow however I know that i shoot in the backyard about 4 times a week. I know my sights are on, everything is tight, no equipment excuses for me. Now I just need a deer within my comfort zone of 30 yards!

look on the bright side. You do not have all those crazy cross bow guys shooting at you too.

Well here's to starting, Look at the " drop tines " on this one.

Yeah cause its not like we havent been shooting deer last few days of september and early october for years without issue. Got to use your brain. You know that thing that lies between peoples ears. I think every excuse possible has been brought up and ranted about. Guess what NY we arent the first state to try this with great success and wont be the last. The way some think is unreal. How many times can one person say the same thing over and over and over and still be so stuck in their own mind that there way is the only way strikes me quite odd. It has been said a hundred times already, this is a step towards creating interest to a younger generation. While some of you can sit there and bash away at the DEC let me ask you this. What the hell have you done aside from sitting on a forum complaining about a youth hunt all the while complaining about the early heat and probably not even going to be in the woods in fear of some stupid bugs and a little sweat. Sad what a bunch of whiners.

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This is going to be interesting for sure. If you think there is controversy over this now, just imagine the fall out if the unthinkable happens and someone does get shot. No matter what the circumstances are it will be a media frenzy of mega proportions and hunting as a whole will take a hit. DEC has pushed the hunter orange for safety's sake and then puts guns out there in the middle of people in full camo. I pray it does not happen!

Heck, last year we were doing that in November.

If hunting frustrates you.... Golf would be the last thing I would recommend.

I've hunted PA my entire life. The recent antler restrictions have only increased the quality of deer and I have never had a problem determing if it was legal. If its that small that you can't tell wait for something a little bigger. You won't see to many spikes with a 16" spread

I have hunted PA under ARs for the last few years.. I hunt ground that is either public land or private land that other hunters also have permission to hunt. I hunt in the woods, rather than a tower blind overlooking big areas or food plots.. Most of the time I am hunting escape routes or pinch points where deer are moving to avoid other hunters. Most of the deer I see are moving right along, and often they are in sight, or offer a decent shot, for only a few seconds. It is relatively easy to tell if a deer has antlers...It is often IMPOSSIBLE to determine if a buck has LEGAL antlers.. I see quite a few bucks I could KILL, but relatively few that I dare to shoot, since I can't tell if they are legal or not. Fortunately, doe permits are easy to get in the unit where I hunt, otherwise I wouldn't bother to spend the $$$ for the license.

My God man, do you ever read my posts at all? No, I am not going to repeat it all again just because some decide to read only a line or two. In fact no less that adozen times I have described in painful detail what my objections are to this feel-good window-dressing activity are. For crying out loud ..... look it up! Frankly, I don't really care what people have forced themselves to do whether they hunt the Northern Zone or the Southern Zone or some other state. I'm telling you that I simply don't care to hunt with sweat running down my back and mosquitoes banging into my face and a short time clock on recovering downed game. If you have come to love that sort of thing, good for you. Some how I suspect I'm not alone in that.

Yes, which came first, the chicken or the egg. Either way you choose to look at it, it was a flat out dumb move. Sorry, but there is simply no kinder way of putting it. The way I see it, they took time away from bowhunters when they went to the Saturday opener. They simply were giving it back plus a bit more. That was payback. Unfortunately they took away some prime time and gave us back some crap. I have no reason to be happy about the "give-back" yet. I was ok with the way it was, and it is yet to be seen how enjoyable this warmer, potentially bug-infested, leaf-clogged, early start really turns out to be. But apparently there are a whole lot of bowhunters that think it's some kind of wonderful thing. I'll be able to say more about that when I have sampled a bit of it. But right now it is a bit premature to say what "I should be happy about".

people from the city? I guarantee you people who live outside the "city", as in "upstater's", are responsible for more illegally taken deer every year than any other group of people that you judge by the area they reside in....and you can bet the mortgage payment on that.

I grew up in the country in a hunting culture, my Dad was the biggest influence, grandfather, uncles and my Dad's best friends were all hunters and talked hunting all the time. My neighbors were hunters along with many of my friends I went to school with. It was easy to get hooked on hunting under all those influences and hunting tales. Al

I don't think I'll be blind calling much untial end of October and that's usually limited at best. I also wouldn't waste time in scents until later in the month. With Oct....you want to capitalize on patterns and your best bet...the first time in and catch them before they know they are being hunted.

I'm thinking with a hot stinking gut pile on a balmy 60 degree day and a bunch of big fat flies..OOhhh and bees buzzing around...the whole early season hunting experience...oooppps top it of with the stress the "mentor" will be having over the rush after shot work...Kids will not find the experience as fun as one may think

As far as the safety issues, that is a non-issue. Nobody likes to see firearms deer hunting in bowseason (with the possible exception of gun hunters....lol) but really with an estimated total of 8000 participants statewide, I have a hard time considering the whole affair as being of much significance from any standpoint, safety, effectiveness, or otherwise. And we have already gone through the argument about good weather and again, if you think it is a good thing to fool kids into thinking that hunting is a warm-weather activity, then I respectfully have to disagree. And while it is nice that deer are calm, I think it is obvious and generally accepted among hunters that more deer are seen on the opening day of gun season than any other time of the year. The actual harvest numbers show that to be true also. So again, Has anybody ever heard a good explanation why the DEC chose to stuff the youth season right into the bow season .... that makes any sense?

Sure. Because it has worked just fine in other states. No bow hunters being shot out of trees, archery seasons not being ruined. In fact, I have yet to read or hear about all of these horror stories that everyone is worried about, going on in other states that have had these early youth hunts in place. Also, the reasoning on why they put it at that time was to allow the kids into the woods when the chances of good weather and calm deer were better.

Lol .... With all due respect, was there some kind of answer to my question about mentors buried in all that? How those questions relate to my comments about the flow of information and rumors beats the hell out of me. I guess that was just a random shot aimed at who knows what. And was there something over the past two years where the DEC explained about where these mysterious mentors were going to come from when they are so obviously missing during the regular season? I must have missed it. As far as the bowhunters becoming the mentors, It seems to me that they have simply removed a large percentage of them as mentors by making them choose between their season and the gun mentoring. Have they changed the law about bowhunting alongside of someone possessing a firearm? So that comment didn't make a whole lot of sense did it? No more than placing the youth season inside of a bow season did. The weather argument? .... well we have already done that one multiple times, but if you insist that kids need to be fooled about the comfort levels of hunting season, September provided a whole month of nice toasty weather. The holiday argument? .... just another date when there are all kinds of family activities competing with a youth hunt that wouldn't have to be dealt with on a normal weekend. So let me amend my question a bit: Has anybody ever heard a good explanation why the DEC chose to stuff the youth season right into the bow season .... that makes any sense? Look, I have been known to be a bit of an apologist for the DEC too on occasion. But when they screw up, I am quick to comment on that too. But DEC or no DEC, I am still looking for someone to stop dodging the question about where they think all these mentors will be coming from. It's a serious question and nobody seems to have an answer.

Doc, With all due respect, you are complaining about the flow of information, rumors, etc. yet you post these random questions claiming no one is asking them and they are of utmost importance... Then point fingers and place blame. Were you around over the past two years when the DEC put this out for public discussion, posted information updates, held public meetings, took feedback through multiple sources? No one says bow or gun hunters NEED to hunt these 3 days, it is simply an option now that was not there in the past. I do not like the plan but it is set for now. If you're concerned, wear orange, don't hunt, take a youth, plenty of options. I believe some of the DEC's reasoning was the holiday weekend would allow families time to hunt and not interfere with school, and it is typically mild weather. I think they also claimed that people who bowhunt are more likely to recruit their kids into hunting due to the increased length of that season, whereas people who only gun hunt have less time to do so. Again, I think this plan is far from perfect but at this point it's a little late to whine and moan about it, DEC gave us that opportunity over the past two years and is closed now. Give it a chance. Spread the word so fellow hunters on both sides know it's going on. Maybe it will get some kids out in the woods who otherwise wouldn't be. At least they are trying, and they sure as heck gave plenty of opportunity for feedback leading up to this. If it doesn't work, hopefully they will see that and change it. But again, it is an opportunity that we as hunters have not had in the past. No one is saying you need to use it.

and they can hunt all regular season too. Geesh you make it sound like they are all out to shoot anything that moves. Statistically the kids who just complete a hunter ed class are safer than the parents who will be accompanying them. It is all good. We will all survive to hunt another day.

Funny you should say that about work... I'm working 5 days in October and 10 days in November! Gotta love vacation time!!!!!!!! I've stared at those pics for so long that I have the images burned into my memory! Hunters PORN!!! That's all I could see last night when I was trying to sleep!! The thicket (borders my property) that has been his core area for the past couple of years was wiped out this summer by bulldozers! It's gonna be a new crop field! I was hoping he would either move into my thickets or the adjoining neighbors thickets on the other side of my property, instead of moving across the road or into a completely new area. I was starting to get worried as I haven't gotten any pics of him yet this summer. Thank God, my hopes and logic was correct and he didn't leave the area! I was starting to think it was just wishful thinking that he didn't leave after his thicket was destroyed! Where the pics were taken, he's standing ~300 yards from my cabin!

The DEC says it urges bowhunters to set their bows aside and mentor a youth. I don't have anyone old enough to mentor, and there's no way in hell I'm staying home that weekend.

Well it's been almost two weeks and so far she has been a real sweetheart to work with. Started working her on the lure this morning. If things go good we should be free flying in another week or so. And a vid from this morning

I don't have any photos and will not be contributing to this thread. Two days ago i got the bright idea to try and shoot groups again and reminded myself why i no longer do it. 12 arrows loose'd from 25 yards for 4, 3 arrow groups resulting in two split knocks and a ripped fetching.

Justso I understand the Liberal stance...you know the stance with no contradicions in logic. it is OK to tell people what to to with their bodies when it is soda but not ok to tell a person what to do with their body when it is a pregnancy. got it.

you would

Everyone is so entranced with who wins American Idol and what celebrity is boning the other one, that they dont care. We are doomed.

If it is like in PA,a lot of people just walk away. You can read on the PA hunting forums about it all the time.

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