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We're going to see drug dealers in the dark alleys selliing ammo instead. "Psss...yo, kid. I gotz 223's here."

Very good. We need MORE intelligent people like this guy. He did say, though, that he is for background checks for everyone, which I assume means for ALL gun sales. This is something that I have NOT heard the NRA agree to. So he doesn't seem to be in complete lock-step with the NRA here. Quite frankly, that is a good thing in my opinion. My hats off to this guy for not being the typical mouthpiece on the subject.

Why does there need to be a separate background check done each time you make a purchase? Once you own a gun and have been checked it should be a no brainer after that... we all know that the information is on record once you have been checked once... so why not give out a card that says you are on the "good guy" list and all you have to do after that is show your card? If you commit a crime after being checked they will check if you are a gun owner anyway so they can revoke your card and you will be on the "bad guy" list... If they're going to start keeping track anyway, why not give the law abiding citizen a break so at least he doesn't have to go through all the BS for each purchase? The answer is because they care just as much about keeping track of the good guys as the bad guys.

I wish I owned an ammo store just across the boarder.

i like venison and turkey in my freezer and horns on the wall

The answer is Apathy and Ignorance.. the greatest killer of all things important in America... the same reason that only a third of the eligible voters make it to the polls to vote... the same reason that only a handful of members of any club usually do the work of the whole club. Its the human condition and not a good criteria for the effectiveness of the organization... and I bet you can't name another organization in America with 4.25 million members... as for being in the minority... seems to me like the trend as of late is that the minorities get what ever they want if they scream loud enough.. and I promise you .. the NRA and it's members will be screaming loud.

There is only one realistic way to fight these kinds of screw-jobs by politicians, and that is to become a single-issue voter, and remember who voted for what on this. Of course we are in the minority, but you would be surprised how powerful a minority can be if we can just get our gun owning people to vote as a unified block. We can indeed put the fear of God back into these creeps. Also, actively work and campaign for the defeat of those that voted for this mess. Volunteer a bit of time as campaign workers. I understand that this state is a liberal, pinko, bastion of commies, but we have voted in Republican state senators and assemblymen before, and we can do it again if we can just keep in mind exactly who screwed us and who took us and our 2nd amendment rights seriously. We have to make it politically expensive for the politicians that thumbed their noses at us. We need a list made of Assembly and Senate who are our allies, and who are our enemies and vote accordingly during the next election.

I'm not against all of the proposed changes. Universal BG checks, not a bad idea, if its done right. The problem is, once you give an inch, they will take a mile.

Elmo, now that you are officially married, we can stick a fork in you, because you're done! LOL Just kidding, congrats, you guys look great!

Late breaking news, Due to pending legislation all Gang bangers have given up there guns and smashed there high capicity magazines so as not to be prosecuted for illegal arms. They are now signing up for college and becoming good citizens. Oh thanky Gov. Homo your our savior. Cant wait till your prez and you can screw me some more!!!

Yea I watched this the other night. The guy had a brain inside that head and he used it!

To me this is just alot of senseless motions that will do nothing but aggravate law abiding gun owners.

Went out this past weekend to remove a couple of deer stands, saw 5 longbeards in the open hardwoods, can't wait till May!

Youre right. How would anyone really know? Its just like any other long gun, unless you sell or buy from an undercover or someone rats you out, how would anyone know?

Unless they searched ever vehicle crossing the state line, it would be impossible to enforce.

Sadly you may be right, I have a 9 round 9MM on order since June.... Even if it comes in within the 60 days (im now #7 on the list down from 70) would I be able to ever get 7 round mags. ? Im thinking of cancelling the order, yet thats waht they want . strongly thinking of a 7 round 1,911 .45 and a 7 round .357 If i can only carry 7 they are going to be 7 powerful ones !!

I just (an hour ago) bought a box of .40 S&W. No back ground check but I had to show I.D. They have never ID'd before. The cashier said that it was their new policy since the Cuomo rape.

nyantler nailed it. "The answer is Apathy and Ignorance.. the greatest killer of all things important in America... the same reason that only a third of the eligible voters make it to the polls to vote... the same reason that only a handful of members of any club usually do the work of the whole club." Not only are gun owners up against the anti gun media, our anti gun gov't and US citizens who think more gun laws will keep everyone more safe (look at the history to see this not the case)..we are also up against each other, gun owners that don't want to unite and would rather just point the finger at each other. This is just the beginning of gun restrictions. The flood gates are now open. Somewhere down the road when another tragedy occurs, guns will be blamed once again, and more restrictive laws will be placed gun owners.

You mention hunters, hunters, and hunters in that post, and then say they are being dishonest. You never mention age class structure, herd dynamics, carrying capacities, etc. in that post To me, that clearly indicates you are basing that on hunter desire and not herd dynamics. When Jeremy Hurst comes out and says that AR has no real benefit from their perspective in regard to their management, then that is about as good as it gets since he is this state's whitetail authority (central biologist). He has said AR will be or won't be implemented based on hunter desires - therefore, arguing about herd impact, while noble, is pointless. Our context comes down to HUNTER desires. Black and White. Period. Direct words: DEC considers the primary impacts of mandatory antler restrictions to be of a social nature for hunters and does not anticipate significant biological impacts for deer. DEC does not consider there to be a compelling biological or management need for mandatory antler restrictions.

If you guys really do it for the hunt and not the kill (applies to fishing too), then why not just go hiking and take pictures for one season? I'm not so sure I can walk the walk myself but find myself honestly considering.

Her name is Kinley. We likely will be able to go home tonight. I already have the 870 and 500 ready along with the necessary cleaning items, so I can start teaching her how to breakdown and make them pretty. Probably wait a few days before she steps up to the plate at the range, lol. Unfortunately, she's going to have to wait a few more months before learning how to field dress deer.

Maybe not but there sure are alot of dummies that voted for them.

soak 0000 steel wool in a jar of hopes solvent and then with light pressure buff the rust, it will come right off. you can then cold blue the spots that are left. blueing is a rusting process so to remove the rust you will also remove the blue under the rust if it is that thick. thin surface rust will come right off with a hopes 9 solvent dripping soaked 0000 steel wool sponge. If you are in southern Vt this winter I am 20 minutes from Orvis, I can run your gun through the gunshop we have and it will be ready to go while we have coffee and BS about hunting guns and dogs. we make flintlocks but its no problem to fix that up for you since you are a member of this forum. drop me a line if you are coming, will be in vt until june then moving perm to Wyoming. thanks and good luck, hell it happens to everyone if they have guns and use them, had a leaking trunk wrecked a 92 Winchester on me like that, was mint, now its a reblued truck gun

The NRA is not Exon/Mobil or Apple. They are the largest citizens group in the country. The power resides with us. The NRA alerted its members before this bill was voted on. If the members and non-members did not react and write their legislators as needed then you can't blame the NRA. Wake up already.

Kinda of hard to see what the NRA is saying when you are NOT a member and your head is up your A$$. If you're not with us,you're against us. New York: Governor Andrew Cuomo Seizes Your Gun Rights Overnight with Secret Deals, Procedural Shortcuts and Midnight Votes in Albany Public Input Prevented on Gun Control Debate to Advance Agenda and Political Career Governor Andrew Cuomo, in stunningly brazen fashion, took a hatchet to gun rights in New York with lightning speed. By cutting secret deals behind closed doors, eliminating public input and circumventing normal legislative processes, the Governor and state Senate passed sweeping anti-gun measures just before the stroke of midnight yesterday. Within 24 hours, Cuomo had his new gun control laws. Cuomo utilized a rarely-used executive trick, a "message of necessity" to bypass normal legislative procedures that are strictly followed on hundreds of bills each legislative session. Late last night as the clock approached midnight, the public was introduced to S. 2230,a hastily drafted bill that includes bans on commonly owned semi-automatic firearms and magazines, registration, and restrictions on ammunition purchases. This bill was released to legislators a scant twenty minutes prior to the Senate vote and quickly passed without proper vetting, committee consideration and debate, as previously reported on here. Today, S. 2230 faced the state Assembly where it passed by a 104 to 43 vote and was signed into law by the Governor within an hour of its passage, taking immediate effect. During Assembly debate, it became obvious that the haste with which the bill was drafted and passed resulted in innumerable errors and flaws, damaging gun owners even worse than bill authors probably intended. The NRA-ILA lobbyist spent several days in Albany meeting with lawmakers, but this deal was quickly and quietly being forged behind closed doors. Lawmakers from both political parties were even critical of the process in which Cuomo guaranteed only one outcome would prevail. Prior to this outrageous and undemocratic action, New York already had some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, and they have proven to be failures. When each of New York’s gun laws was enacted, politicians promised it would fix the crime problem. Years later, it is clear that they did not, yet anti-gun lawmakers want more of the same laws. Gun control has not worked because criminals, by definition, do not obey the law. Like previous gun control attempts, S.2230 focuses only on law-abiding gun owners and will do nothing to address public safety or crime. S.2230 expands the state's existing pseudo (semi-auto) "assault weapons" ban by outlawing pre-ban firearms, unless they are registered. This new state law also expands what is now considered an “assault weapon” and goes beyond the expired federal law. This statute also lowers New York's magazine capacity limit from ten rounds to seven. You can possess magazines capable of holding more than ten for one year, but you cannot sell or transfer them to anyone living in New York. State residents have one year from enactment to transfer or surrender them. Incredibly, S.2230 will also require background checks on ammunition purchases and prohibit online sales of both firearms and ammunition. It also includes universal background checks on all firearms transfers with certain exemptions for immediate family. S.2230 also requires mental health practitioners to report if someone is a threat to himself or others (without requiring an adjudication) and such person must surrender their gun. These failed gun control ideas will not address crime, but today Cuomo and his accomplices did irreparable damage to the constitutional rights of New Yorkers. In his recent state of the state address, Cuomo made it clear that passing gun control would be the first major issue of the 2013 legislative session. He seized the opportunity to exploit tragedy and put his own personal politics ahead of sound public policy. Your governing officials resorted to deception, secrecy and procedural gamesmanship because they were too afraid to let gun owners make their voices heard. In the short time this issue was before the state Legislature, hundreds of phone calls and e-mails flooded the Capitol. The politicians might be able to sidestep gun owners now, but the next election will be a different story. This legislation is still less than 24 hours old, and it contains many complex details and nuances that were secretly withheld from public view. NRA-ILA’s legal staff will continue to examine this new law and determine if future litigation may be appropriate. As we challenge these new laws, we will continue to report to our members, so please stay tuned and continue to visit www.nraila.org.

I have all that I need this season as far as hunting and fishing. And if I need to buy anything, I'll do so out of state and online. I refuse to financially support this state and it's agendas. Maybe I'll hunt NJ for next season.

Any VARIENT of an AR style rifle made by ANY manufacturer in ANY calibre. GONE!!! A lot of hidden stuff in here people.

Congratulations, and as the Vulcans say "live long and prosper".

I keep hearing about more "sensible" gun laws...How many do we need? 45,000 isn't enough? Or maybe we have to keep trying until they actual work to reduce crime... nothing we do in the way of laws will reduce gun violence by criminals... it's been proven time and time again in the U.S... What is it that some just can't seem to understand? There is nothing sensible about the liberal approach to reducing gun violence... it's a notion that makes some of you feel good, yet does nothing to curb the violence... it makes as much sense as passing out "assault weapons" to drug cartels in Mexico or blaming a YouTube video for the death of 4 Americans in Bengazi... gun owners should take the same approach with new "sensible" gun laws as our current administration took after those two debacles and push them aside as if they didn't happen.

No way am I giving up hunting or fishing for a year.

Didn't there used to be a countdown clock to the next hunting season on this forum? We have hunters who start dreaming about NEXT hunting season the minute the current season ends and you think ALL hunters will give up an entire hunting season just to make a point about gun laws?? Will never happen.

joe,, I'd bet that any non resident license would cost more than the $100.00 ny resident license..... so your going into unfamiliar territory, paying a higher license cost, room and board cost,,,, all for the hopes of killing a once in a lifetime deer just because of AR when there are just as many if not more mature bucks here? some people complain just to hear themselves complain. whats even sadder is hearing guys giving reasons to try and justify killing a young buck. I always say whats with the excuses? you had YOUR buck tag not someone elses right? you were satisfied with that animal right? you killed it legally right? so whats the problem???? Who am I to tell you what you can shoot? you paid the same amount for your license as I did, if your happy with it then I am happy for you. lots of people today have to work 6 days a week to make ends meet, both husband and wife have to work, one works one shift one works another so they can save on babysitting expenses.... the bottom line is some peoples lives don't revolve around hunting season and they only get a few days off to hunt and to limit those people to "bigger bucks" probably drastically reduces their chances to put some venison in the freezer. If they are happy with what they shot then be happy for them! for those of us that want to personally hold out for a more mature buck we can still do that without a forced AR across the board. the way things are going in this country and state antler restrictions are the least of our problems right now!

Didn't we have a thread like this already?

No. But if they were, would you be OK with this law and the affect it has on other gun owners?

They also know a lot of NY gun owners are too obtuse to support the NRA, so they don't give a rats azz what you think! If there were 5 million NRA members in NY, do you really think this would've ever happened? No friggin' way on earth. If you're not NRA, to elected officials, YOU'RE NOTHING! Fortunately, the independently wealthy gun owners in NY state can just sell out of NY and head to a free state, like Wyoming or Montana, where gun owners have balls! I bid the rest of you Good Luck!

I see...so when you're shooting up a bunch of innocent people, you're only going to load 7 rounds at a time because you certainly don't want to receive a fine!

I just think deer hunters as a group are just too different to make everyone happy. I am simple to please as I mind my own business and hunt the way I like. I don't worry about what others shoot. I don't have a fit if someone comes walking through my hunting area because I don't own the land. All I need is a property to hunt, and I will consistantly shoot mature bucks if they are in the area. Are they all wall hangers? Not by a long shot. But, they have been through a few hunting seasons, and are usually tougher to get close to. I hear all the time that when I let the young bucks walk someone else will get them. So what. It is my choice, and how I enjoy my deer hunting. Funny how on this site you have guys that can show you the same bucks on trail cams year to year, so they don't all get shot. On the other side of the coin, I have friends that have very limited vacation time, or none left at all. They have just as much fun shooting the first buck they see. They are not striving to shoot the biggest buck. They are looking to fill their tag in the short time they have to get venison in the freezer. I congratulate them and gladly help them eat some fresh back straps. My overall opinion is live and let live. There are tons of deer in this state, and any deer that is legally taken, is making good use of nature's bounty. I would like it to be one buck only no matter how it is harvested. I hunt 4f and 7m and some years I have to settle for a couple does. I have been fortunate to harvest a nice buck most years as I have improved as a hunter, but it is good hunting land and a pretty long walk to get to my spots which helps a lot.

It means more to me if I shoot a mature buck that became mature because he outsmarted all those silly hunters to become a big boy, not because they had to pass on him until he evolved. I'd rather do it the hard way and earn it.

great responses so far. I live for spring gobbler hunting! find some Denny Gulvas videos, he is one of the most experienced and respected turkey hunters in the video industry although I am not sure if he is still making them. as far as decoys go if you feel you must use one use a hen, I do not use a decoy and I would NEVER place a gobbler decoy anywhere around me, I have had too many instances of guys sneaking in on my location to put a legal target out there in front of me! and don't for a second think that just because your on posted ground your safe! spring gobbler hunting is an audible sport, when that bird starts gobbling guys loose their minds and some think nothing of tresspassing! if they are so intuned with that bird gobbling and sneak in to the turkey sounds they are liable to shoot the first thing to move. Camo- you have to be covered head to toe, you are up against the best eyes in the woods! there is an old saying in the turkey world, a deer walks through the woods and sees a camod hunter setting there and thinks its a stump, a turkey walks by a stump and thinks its a hunter. keep movement to a minimum. grandad always said a turkey can see an ant crawling on a tree at a hundred yards,,,,some of the things I have seen them do he mighta been right! calls- there are hundreds of diferent calls out there, some good some not so good. when you buy production calls you get what you got, maybe it will sound ok but I have seen a lot of them that wouldn't make my vest! there are a good number of custom call makers out there that you may pay a little more for but you will be getting a hand made call from an experienced turkey hunter. they are not going to send out a poor sounding call. there is a guy up in watertown that makes a sweet box call, Tim Fralick TP custom calls. the box call is one of the easiest to use and learn, if you can get a handle on using a slate call you can get different strikers and have a whole range of call sounds. calling- don't get caught up in the calling like your in a calling contest, take the temp of the bird, start soft and sweet and if he likes it and is coming in let him come in, if you have to get loud do so,,,this is not something that a person can teach you it comes from experience. I have killed far nore gobblers with clucks and purrs than heavy yelping and cutting. turkeys can pinpoint sound extremely accurately! make 1 call they know your general vicinity, make 2 calls they know within 30 yards of where you are, you make 3 calls they will know what tree you are setting against! gun/choke/loads- this is probably one of the most important pieces of the puzzle! you HAVE to know what your gun is doing. you need to spend time on the range at measured distances with different loads and chokes. you want as many pellets in a 10" circle @ 40 yards as you can get. I have done a ton of work to my turkey gun ( and thats ALL it ever gets used for) and I spent a good amount of $$ on different loads and chokes ( I still have 6 aftermarket chokes from my experimenting days) But with all the work and different loads I have settled on the best combination for my set up 242 pellets in a 10" circle @ 40 yards. if your going to go with a stock choke or can only get adaquate pellet counts at 30 yards with the shells your shooting then keep that as your max range. you can use front & rear sights or a scope, I have a bushnell scope on my turkey gun because it shoots such a tight pattern and I gotta see their legs before I shoot. Do NOT skimp on pattern! you have got to hit them in the head and neck with as many pellets as you can! you can not body shoot them with a shotgun, while you may "get" one that way chances are you will loose more than you will get. scouting- probably one of the most overlooked but most important tools in turkey hunting! you gotta find the birds, I live in the woods from feb 1- june 1. also keep your findings to yourself, nothing ruins a hunt faster than getting to "your" spot and seeing someone else there that you told of a bird being there! I put the time and gas $ into scouting so I am not giving out free info.! patience/persistance- this alone has been the demise of many of my harvested spring gobblers, I do what I need to do when I have a gobbler on the hit list. I love hunting pressured birds! its not at all uncommon for me to be setting under a tree at 3 am waiting for daylight, and alot of those days I might not move till noon when I get up to leave the woods! But the whole time I am there I am paying attention to what the birds are doing. I have always said that every gobbler is killable on any given day you just gotta be there when he wants to play! Safety- FIRST and FOREMOST at all times! always set up defensively, against a big tree, rock, stump etc. just make sure its higher than your head. eliminate red, white, blue colors from your clothing including what is under your camo these are the target colors on a gobbler. if you hear something approaching always think its a hunter first, try to keep calm and keep your senses in check. ALWAYS verify your target. If you see someone approaching you do NOT try to wave them off,,, especially if you were working a bird!!!! they could be so far gone that the first thing to move to them is that turkey! call out to them! STOP TURKEY HUNTER HERE if they are that close to you that bird you were wokring is probably busted out of there anyway and even if not there is no turkey worth getting shot over. if you can hook up with an experienced hunter thats a good thing, just make sure there is a mutual understanding that if you go to your spots he doesn't go there with out you and vise-versa. well thats enough rambling for now, hop it was somewhat helpfull.

Man, I need a farm that holds bucks like that! Sadly I only have one cornfield to hike, and as you know, that's tough shedding. Awesome antlers!