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November 11th, 3:07pm After hunting Pretty hard for the past month an a half and not having any luck I decided I was gonna try a new spot this evening so I took a stand out with me and hung it, got done hanging it and pulled my bow and the rest of my gear up... I was all sweaty from hanging the stand in the warm temps so I sprayed down well with Primos Hunting Vanish Scent Eliminating Spray and then put on my ScentLok System gear, Strapped my Hunter Safety System harness to the tree, got my camera rolling and filmed my opening evening interview and then sent a txt to the Outdoor Legacy Pro Staff saying I was in my spot and ready for action (4:32pm) I had only been sitting several minutes when I looked over and saw a big bodied deer coming thru the woods, Quickly turned the camera on and prepared for a big doe however as it came closer I saw the spikes... I had already pre determined I was gonna shoot the first deer I had a good opportunity at for meat in the freezer and I really didn't even think twice about it as I moved the camera into position and drew my bow as he stopped directly downwind at 11 yards below my stand. (Thank God for Scent-lok ????) All I could hear in my mind was Justin Zarr from Bowhunt or Die saying "Aim for the exit hole, not the entry" so I aimed for what I figured would be heart level as it exited on the other side, I squeezed off the shot and he took off running with me following him the best I could with the camera, He made it about 50 yards before stumbling sideways a few steps and falling to the ground. (4:38pm) I proceeded to pull out my phone and send another txt to the Outdoor Legacy Pro Staff... "Deer down!!!!!" (5:10pm) After letting him lay 30 minutes or so I called my bro to come help me with retrieval, climbed down and began looking for blood... A heavy blood trail that I could almost run while following led me directly to where he had expired. Upon field dressing him I found I had taken out both lungs and the heart! Those Dirt Nap Gear DRT broadheads work awesome! A big thanks to my bro for his help dragging the buck out as well as his help taking trophy photos and filming my after the kill interview, I'm super pumped to have my first ever buck with a bow down!! An as they say, "From here, I can only go up!!" ???? Look for the footage from the hunt on a upcoming episode of Outdoor Legacy ???? As im sure you can tell it was snowing pretty heavily while taking trophy pictures

My friend harvested this beast yesterday Long Island public land. He was all rutted up tarsals jet black and stinking. He came in to my buddy's tree and just started to turn away when my friend hit the grunt tube and pulled him back. He said he came in head low, ears back and lips curled. He was on the trail of 2 does and a spike which had passed a few minutes earlier. What a great buck!!!!!...too bad i had to work. Cant wait to get out Saturday and hopefully get a chance!!

In light of my recent debacle, I have a question, scenario, whatever. So...the rules state that legal hunting hours are between sunrise and sunset, no? Today I got out of work early and was able to get in the woods by 2pm. The first thing I did was check the exact time of sunset on accuweather.com. They have sunset today scheduled to occur at 4:40pm. I watched the clock as I sat in my stand. Up until 5:18 I could very easily have clearly identified any animal that walked with in 30 yards of my stand(none did). So, you guys are telling me that at 4:40pm, your arrow comes off the string and goes back in your quiver, even though you can still see clearly and identify your target and beyond? That's it, you're done, because accuweather puts the sunset at 4:40. You are going to pass on a megladon, a #140 buck, because he came into range at 4:53? If you say that you are, I call BS and think that you are a liar. I think that much like politicians, people are going to say this but do that. Me, personally, I'm taking that shot at 4:53. It may be wrong in your eyes, I may be wrong for admitting it on a public forum or anywhere else, but I own what I do, right or wrong. I make my decisions after weighing the potential outcomes and live with the consequences. That's all. Flame suit on.

Got this little fella tonite. I've seen him now 4 times in the last month without a doe around. Well I've passed up shots on him twice, I've been out of steaks since August so he didn't get a third pass. Unfortunately first shot clipped a branch and went high and spined him, I quickly followed up with another shot square in the shoulder. Happy to be having tenderloin for dinner tomorrow. O I passed on a decent 6 point a half hour before he came out. That will be a nice buck next year.

Yes, yes I do.

Shot this buck at 8:45am this morning cruising a bedding area, popped out at 32yds and double lunged him. I've let a lot of young bucks pass and haven't shot a buck in a few years because I wanted a deer I'd be proud to tag. I don't have private land to hunt so to kill a good buck on public land makes it that much sweeter. Awesome day! Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk

Because your a law breaker why assume others on here are?

So then.. because I can still see a turkey in the daylight at 3 pm in May.. I should be able to kill it.. even thought the law says hunting ends at 12 pm. It isn't about whether you agree with the law or not... it is about doing the right thing and following the law. Anything else is you trying to justify doing what you know to be wrong... whether you own it or not.

I posted a thread recently about a droptined buck that I got on camera on halloween... I checked this cam again today and was shocked to discover another one!!! My treestand is in the big tree in the top right hand corner. I almost sat here monday morning too...

so, how was she???

I do what I can to keep it lively around here.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? A great majority of your posts leave me with my head cocked, like a dog who hears a strange noise. I'm out. Like Wingnut said, enough side banter.

This morning my one of the crew chiefs sent me a text. He was on his way to the job site and a car had just corked a nice buck.....the cops and the distraught young lady were standing there looking at the damage and my guy pulls up and inquires about the final resting place of said buck. The heat said hey buddy, it's yours if you want it! So guess who gets to do the gutting?? The police tagged it and it was quickly transported back to the shop where I dressed t off PDQ. Although I had a change of clothes with me I somehow did the most perfectly clean gutting job of my life! WTH MAN? When it's my deer I'm a bloody mess. 10 minutes later it was propped open and cooling. My hands and knife were rinsed off in the quite possibly polluted ditch water and we were back to work!! It was a darn shame because it was a VERY respectable East Amherst buck...................but at least it didn't go to waste.

Plenty around. You'll find them if you know what to look for.

Liar! You watched and rubbed one out. We saw you!

Hey wait a second here...I think i may have a dog in this fight at 52? And as Biz would say...I still have the haircut to prove it.

I've said it before , people that hunt to the exact minute are a bit like Bigfoot , Mountain Lions and unicorns, I've read about them but in 40 years of hunting and knowing untold numbers of hunters and hunting with perhaps over 100 different ones , I've never seen one in the woods. I'd like to see how many here are in complete compliance with the SAFE act ...., personally I do not know one who got rid of magazines over ten rounds or registered their rifles and the states numbers back the low numbers of comliance . I guess though the few that did obey are all members here .

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/15sunriseset.pdf Sorry have to say a big..YOUR WRONG...read straight from the book in above link....it says SHOOTING HOURS it does not say you can not be in the field before or after...

Somehow I'm not worried about sending this thread off topic... this year I have had numerous comments on my page from "hunters" that didn't know about the doe only areas they were hunting in, some that had no idea that you could use a crossbow in NY, some that didn't know you could kill a bear in NY, and one that thought the northern tier hunting seasons were the same as the southern tier... and of course.. those who had no idea of the sunrise - sunset shooting hours... they didn't realize that sunrise and sunset were actually a time... scary!

You can write so you must be able to read, yes? Read the syllabus and get back to us with your findings..........

Deos not matter what you think. Does not matter what you can see. It is a law. Do you pick and choose other laws to abide on a daily bases?

oh, so you didn't pay full price?

Sunset was 4:39pm for anyone wondering ????

I give you points for that, but you picked an easy topic to do it. It was like tossing French fries on the beach , you know the sea gulls are all going to drop out of the sky and peck at each other trying to get a fry.

Congrats young man, well done..next time try smiling a little more and forget about those TV poses...lol..

Wow, this thread was started last night at 8:43 and we are on the 8th page already. We must be setting a world record here. Love him or hate him, you got to give it to the OP for lighting things up. I think he's owed a prize actually. At least a box of Rice-a-Roni for crying out loud!

He is now a registered offender though

If I do I just hunt from my truck & watch the clock

I agree that it's a good idea that you leave, since you are obviously intellectually superior to the rest of us poor shmucks on this forum... It truly would be an injustice if you were to waste any more of your time with the likes of us...

I'm not disagreeing that the law is the law. As one other person on here said, the sunrise/sunset times change based on where you are in the state. Do each and every one of you (even the bunch on here that I'm sure still have old flip cell phones) look up the true sunrise/sunset times based on your GPS location as I do? You all keep saying how you pull your arrow at the stroke of sunset, are you 100% sure without a doubt you are using the right time? Also for any of you that have gotten out of your area code and hunted other places with the half hour before/after rule pulled your arrow at sunset, you know cause it's the safe thing to do or did you use that extra half hour cause big brother said you can? Again, I know you need to follow the laws for where you hunt (I hear, I can read (and even comprehend), I'm probably as smart or smarter than most of you (and have the paperwork to back that up). I'm not the OP, I'm not sitting here professing (bragging) that I'm breaking the law, I just think it's pretty funny how there is such a large group of people out there that blindly follow like a flock of sheep. I'm now done with this thread and probably with this board, as I can not waste my time with people that refuse to think for themselves but would rather mindlessly quote sections of a manual of what makes you an acceptable hunter without even trying to understand what those statements mean, question why they are there, or how they came to be.

You can question the law.. you just aren't suppose to break it. Lots of laws are changed after large groups petition or lobby otherwise. I have heard lots of hunters complain about the sunrise - sunset law, but I have never seen an active lobby by hunters against it in NY. If hunters don't like the law then ban together to get it changed.

What about 15 min late on the last day? Now your not even in season. For me, it's a personal thing. I want to do it right the way for my personal achievements. Could I bait and and get away with it? For sure, but I wouldn't want to look at those antlers or pictures of the deer I killed over it. Same goes for before/after legal hours. I've caught some big bass the day before the season opens, could I have kept them without getting caught? Of course, but again it would eat me alive. In 2014 In Wyoming I scouted on 9/30, the day before opening day 10/1. I had my rifle with me incase I came across a coyote. I had this buck 30 yards from me. Could I have killed it and got away with it? Of course, but once again it would eat me alive. No difference between 15 min early on 10/1 or the afternoon of 9/30, both are out of season. To each their own, but I like to know I did it the legal way. I don't buy the comparison to other non hunting related laws. Just don't see it. If you want to compare it to driving cars, illegal would be using illegal parts I guess in a race. You might get away with it, you might not. When legal sunset hits, I stand up and unload my gun or take the bolt out of my xbow. I've been hunting 16 years and never had a deer come by while I was unloading. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Call me anything you want, but I never, ever do anything illegal.. I'm going to go get a beer and some popcorn...

I set a camera up on a scrape next to one of my stands a couple days before Halloween. I didn't get to hunt this spot much this year since I killed a buck on 10/2. In particular, I was hoping to get some good pics of a big 9-pt with a crabclaw that I'd gotten pics of a few weeks before. Well, I finally made it up to check it this morning: ended up get a couple of pics of the 9-pt passing through... I was really excited to see this big ole droptine bruiser. In the first pic he is 15 yds from my stand. I'd love to see him a couple of weekends from now... Also had a few two year olds, some does, a few yearling bucks and too many coyotes...

Buck bomb brought no change to my hunting experience this season. Not a damn thing. I did learn that my friend, PITA the squirrel, averages a 49.7 second wait in his nest before venturing out to find more eats. That's how bad it has been- I have begun tracking squirrel movement. Saturday I will focus on the local chipmunk collection schedule for a comparison! I AM LOSING MY MIND!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

A gun dealer in the US is required to have a Federal Firearms License (FFL). They are also required to perform background checks prior to transfer of a firearm. There is NO "gun show loophole" with respect to FFL holders. The vast majority of private sales happen between friends and/or family. A background check in this case is nothing more than a prohibitive tax. Magazine limits? Who are you to decide what I might "need"?

If you climb up in the dark it ain't so bad until it gets light I'm not a big fan of heights but this doesn't bother me. Bottom platform is tethered to top so you're good there. Doubtful both would ever lose their grip at the same time. Once you get to set height you use your transport strap ( strap that you cinch around both pieces to carry in ) around the seat portion. All the while wearing a lifeline. No worries, you'll be fine. Practice in your yard a bit. I did before actually taking it out in the field.

So I couldn't sleep at all last night, i finally fell asleep but when I did, I ended up sleeping through my alarms. I woke up at 7am and saw it was already light out. I debated whether or not to go out because of the rain, but thought hey why not right? I was all ready and in the blind by 720. at 730 i grunted a couple times and softly hit the rattle bag. 10 minutes later i saw some movement in the distance, couldnt tell doe or buck at first. As it was walking away i saw its antlers so i grunted twice and it immediately turned around and headed right for me. I didnt have a good shot until it quartered away, and i hit him right behind the shoulder. he ran 25 yards and went down. he isnt a giant but he is still an 8 pt and my first buck, so i am happy.

No, the NYS Environmental Conservation Laws say nothing about "common sense". There are explicit starting and stopping times and that is a good thing. At least it keeps all those shots in the dark down to a dull roar. Those idiots are using their version of common sense too. The problem is that contrary to their own beliefs, they really don't have any. I get a kick out of those who try to justify ignoring or thumbing their noses at the laws based on inconvenience. It really sounds like the bigger the rack, the more laws it justifies breaking. Hey .... these are the armed people we have out there in the woods with us. And then there are those who are struggling to get everyone to admit that they break the law so they can feel good about doing it themselves. You drive 5 MPH over the speed limit? Well great, let's all go out jack-lighting tonight. Damn ..... what on earth is wrong with you people? You are not talking about accidently or inadvertently or mistakenly breaking the law. You are bragging about or admittedly planning on willful illegal action. And sadly you don't even see anything wrong with that.

Growie, I'm well aware of the benefits of studying old people. I have quite the collection of them myself. I value experience, which often happens to accompany age. I'm just not of the opinion that someone's good fortune to live many moons, necessarily gives them any more intelligence, or valid insight on life.

I have close to 0 chance because I follow the law the best I can I am not perfect by any means & never claimed or will claim to be. I am not reading a 10,000 page law book but I do read the E regs each year for any state I hunt & I follow them if I don't quite understand them I ask F&G or in NY DEC As I stated earlier I value my privilege to hunt if that means leaving 5 minutes early I do I have also taught my kids to do the same respect the law & enjoy the wild

Some of you are so indoctrinated and brain washed it is sad. Public education has done a great job of creating the perfect obedient citizens. This whole “the law is the law” is a complete joke. You really need to start using your conscious to make your decisions. Going by the “law is the law” philosophy, depending on where or when you were born, would have you supporting owning slaves, segregation, beating wife with stick as long as stick was thinner then thumb, turned in Jews, turned in neighbors who tied to help escaped slaves/Jews, etc. etc. etc.. And for you that think most laws exist for anything more than revenue generation and control you’re delusional. There are so many laws on the books you could never follow all of them. And sorry to all you perfect law followers but the average person now commits 3 felony’s a day. Those that say, “if you don’t like a law, then change it” are full of it too. Have you ever actually seen or tried to have a law removed (even when unconstitutional, i.e. UNSafe and numerous others). It is nearly impossible and the time and money needed for legal b.s would have you head spinning. If being a drone a blindly following laws is fine for you so be it but im governed by a much higher personal moral code then just “laws”. http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx

I would hate to be out deer hunting during gun season when some dumb ass thinks it light enough out to start shooting . Actually , I have and hope the tree you are in is big enough to protect you . Shooting before sunrise or after sunset in NYS is poaching !

+1 What's up with people breaking the laws, and being proud of it this year? If that's how you do things then learn to STFU about it. What, are you daring people to turn you in?

I'm not saying I would bc frankly I like to be outta the woods while I can see I don't think it's necessary to walk in or out in pitch black but that's just me....but honestly I don't believe all here can say they don't bend the laws in some way shape or form...from the 5mph leeway most use, maybe parking at a empty meter to run in and grab something quickly, to the stuff in your safe that the safe act has now deemed criminal...also what about some guys who take their kids hunting and let them shoot squirrel or anything alive for that matter....jacking a deer in the dark from your truck is one thing sitting a extra 15 min is another both can't be treated the same way Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I'd suggest a 1 to 4 on a slug gun... and still doubt the pattern of the slug and the shot would be anywhere close. I see your point on the reflex but that'd take some getting used to. however, it is also a good excuse to buy 3 guns! here's mine with my old Mueller reflex and pure gold choke. added the sling and highly recommend the limbsaver recoil pad.

I really think some of the history behind Doc's original post is the big gun the DEC is holding to the heads of the hunters in the over populated areas (bow hunters specifically) They have said the ML's WILL be used in an early season if the mystery population numbers are not reduced and it will impact the bow hunters, likely will not raise the hackles of the gun hunters , The general thought I keep hearing is DEC will use this as step one to just over run bow season with firearms. Personally I don't see that happening but I thought there would have been more resistance to passing the Safe Act as well. I know the NZ is a far different animal than the SZ but I hunt the ML season up there. It is the last week of bow and just before the regular firearms. I really don't hear that much shooting but then again opening of regular season sounds very different in those two places. I have said it in other threads and I don't understand why the DEC can't see it. If there needs to be action taken in specific areas you EXPAND opportunity and you avoid this in fighting about squeezing into others' seasons.

Barrett 50 cal/ thermal scope. I don't like tracking

Public land 9 pt Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk

Someone sprays rose potpourri after doing their business in the bathroom and I smell roses and crap. And I hear a deers nose may be a little better than mine.