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Happy New Year everyone.....................Hope it well be a great year and healthy year for all..............

I think the intent of this post was the shooting and leaving eatable game to rot in the woods and not be consumed. Not the philosophy of hunting . But what we think of this terrible waste of natures resources. It seems that at times we get off the topic and rant about everything but the topic. Maybe the rats and wood chucks can be another post. My take is if I shoot it I eat it, just to kill something and leave it in the wood is sick twisted person.

The kind folks from CRCS Outdoors (Cuba Rushford) took me out on a waterfowl hunt yesterday. It's always been my dream to find someone to help me learn how to waterfowl hunt, as I find it very different than any deer, turkey, or squirrel hunting I've done all my life. It's also something I was afraid I could never do, since I can't have a dog and our car is not good for carrying a boat. After I won the Duck Stamp, CRCS did an interview with me and asked me along on a waterfowl hunt locally with Southern Tier Outfitters, we thought it would be neat for me to hunt waterfowl for the first time while using the stamp I painted! I felt very honored. We were finally able to get out yesterday during the second season in Allegany. The outfitters said that this area has been tough due to the unseasonably warm weather we've had and they've been able to get very few ducks to come in at all. We were in a large blind (these guys even have a mini kitchen) and were well concealed. We had a few mallards scope us out and circle out of range, and one pair of common mergansers fly high without even giving the wetland a second look. Around 11, I believe, we saw some geese far off along the Allegany River, and the guides called them in to us. I took one as they came in, but my 870 wouldn't cycle the rounds and jammed as I ejected the first shell. Stupid of me not to check beforehand, but lesson learned. Turns out the bird I shot was banded, and the group lit up with excitement. We were being filmed for the CRCS show and they urged me to call the band in on camera. I did, and as soon as I got through on the band reporting hotline and got to giving them my info, a pair of mallards came in, of course! I got low and tried to finish the call quietly and quickly. By the time I got off the call the mallards were still around but had moved out of range. I was embarrassed that they waited for me instead of taking them, but I appreciated the gesture, it was really kind. Anyhow, it was amazing and I feel super honored to have been invited and enjoyed it very much. I'm very thankful to CRCS, Scott Jordan, and thank you very much to Craig Southard and Patrick Stayer of Southern Tier Outfitters! I can only claim the top goose, but am so thankful for even one! They have more photos on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/391324224291983/photos/pcb.956512284439838/956512234439843/?type=3&theater

You do realize the "e" is hidden in the girls shirt, right?

Woa, hang on there a minute Mick.......(oh, Happy Birthday) since when are we supposed to stay on track with a thread?

My sil is in the same boat so every year for the last 5 years I have gotten my daughter and father a gun for Christmas and make sure that I give them to them at our family Christmas get together. I get as much enjoyment out of her looks as I do watching my daughter and the old man opening them:)

Well today I'm a year older and snowing or not I'm taking Schatz out hunting. I've gone hunting on my birthday almost every year since I was old enough to get a license. It's the one of the few traditions I really try to hold onto. Now to find those hunkered down grouse!!! Jaeger and Schatzie

My guess would be juveniles shooting at anything and not knowing how or wanting to eat the prey. Shooting a pheasant and leaving it to be eaten by another animal doesn't make sense unless the shooter is out just to see if they can hit a moving target. Whomever is responsible should try sporting clays instead.

Tried to post a vid of a red fox...only thing I seen all day

Probably fawns that have hit the necessary weight to breed/come into estrous. A small % of does are bred in late Dec/Jan. All it takes is one, however, to make things a little crazy, in the immediate area. Bucks are will to breed whenever. Sort of like normal guys, I guess.

Damn Biz, I never thought of it like that! I'm going out on a limb and say this: Considering I've been with the same gal (and true to her) for 26 years, see my doctor twice a year for all the blood work & necessary shots and drink just enough bourbon to kill any badass germs I might contract in day to day contact I wouldn't worry a bit. You will also (at no extra charge) get my own personal guarantee. That guarantee is kind of long winded mumbo jumbo but in really boils down to three minutes/three miles coverage. (provided through AARP of course) Just send me the money ya cheap bastid............

Saw few turkey this year and the "lonely hen" and her single poult...So this makes me very happy...and I do not believe I've seen them up on the hill this late in the season ever...By now they have settled down in the valley and return in late March.

In all honestly, I love to hunt, but I don't enjoy the actual act of taking another thing's life. I shoot things mainly because I eat meat, & I accept that eating meat means I'm responsible for death. I'm pleased about making a good shot & I love following a heavy blood trail, but I don't lose sight of the fact that all of the excitement & bounty, comes at the ultimate price for another living being. It's respect. There's lots of opportunities I let pass, because I honestly felt like I didn't want to disturb the animals, or rob them of something they were enjoying. Call me a PETA member, but I swear, I think they do enjoy stuff. Play, favorite foods, maybe even a beautiful sunset (ok, maybe that's reaching). That may be just trying to place human emotion on a creature incapable of it, but I don't care. I know that when I pull the trigger, I want to have a good enough reason for doing it, to rob that animal of it's next sunrise.

I have a big problem with people killing & wasting game, that's traditionally used as food. Where that line is tho, is a personal choice. I mean, technically, we could eat coyotes if we for some deranged reason chose to. I kill lots of red squirrels, because I know they harass the greys, & I've been told they'll go into a grey nest & kill the young. I cut the tails off the reds, & leave the rest. Grey squirrel is my favorite game to eat, so I guess it's just a selfish thing I do, to ensure more greys being around. I have a tough time shooting woodchucks, because I don't eat them. I know they cause a lot of damage, but I don't like to kill them. I do shoot them sometimes, but it makes me uncomfortable. A little sad even. Predators I kill at every chance. Except, there was this coon that I trapped who I let go. She kept getting into the bird feeder, so I trapped her in a havahart. A lot of them hiss and snarl, trying to bite you if you get close. Not this one. When I grabbed the trap to pick it up, I accidentally put my hand where she could get to it. All she did was reach through the cage & grasp me by the thumb. She just held on firmly, & stared into my eyes. We had a moment, I guess . My heart melted, so I opened the door, & she slowly walked out, looked up at me & waddled back into the forest. I'll never shoot another crow. I have a lot of respect for how smart they are & they're pretty cool to watch. In general, I try to not kill if it I won't eat it, or if it's not causing trouble.

Actually, the intent of the thread was obvious and even directly stated in bold print: "My question is: What do you think of people that go out and hunt for no other reason than to kill something?" My reply addressed exactly what was being asked. I realize that a lot of people feel uncomfortable about addressing that point, but in spite of the fact that we don't like to talk about that, that is a very common practice and here was a thread that dared to directly ask the question. Woodchucks, rats, crows, carp, etc., are simply killed as living targets with almost nobody even trying to eat them. So instead of shame-facedly running from the question, I chose to address it directly and without apology.

Happy new year everyone ,the wife and i are headed to the hospital at 7:30 to get induced , what a big change from our plans last year.

Many forums have a give away area where members can have contests for unwanted items as a way to give back to the forum. Here's mine it's a ksf pocket sheath , it holds a SMALL fixed blade and a light ( mini mag or smaller )or folder or match safe on the other side . It's simply a way to carry a couple items into the woods by slipping this in your pocket as opposed to hanging them off a belt. It's unused . If you,have a small fb like say a small Bark River or similar , write your screen name on a piece of paper along with a number from 1 to 50 place your knife on paper and snap a pic. Post pic. On Jan. 7th I'll pick a number 1-50 closet wins.ill post winner here and PM them for address. Here's a link to the site of maker.http://www.ksfleather.com/pocketsheaths.html

Ok, ya got me. I have to confess to killing rats at the dump and not eating them. I also have shot woodchucks and left them. We used to bowfish for carp and not eat them. I know there are those that hunt crows with no intention of eating them. Out west there are those that actually shoot prairie dogs, and I doubt they are particularly prized for their good table fare. I have trapped all kinds of animals, selling the fur and throwing away the carcasses or in some cases using them for bait. I did kill a coyote with no intentions of eating him. I have called and shot foxes .... again, no intention of eating it. I guess I further have to confess that I did all of that in a cold-blooded way without a shred of remorse. But then, we humans are not the only ones that do that. Back when I was a kid, we lost 22 head of sheep to some local dogs that simply went from one sheep to the next killing them for sport and never eating a one of them. I have seen the same thing with dog-killed deer. Our cat does the same thing with mice only she tortures them to death. Apparently the world is an evil place. Look, hunting is a nasty business anyway you look at it. We have justified it as claiming it is done strictly for meat, as if any of us are reduced to hunting for survival. We talk about hunting to balance animal populations, but I can't remember the last time I heard somebody say, "Well, I'm going to go out and control the deer herd now". There is something in all of us that enjoys the hunt and the kill. We are predators. And by the way, I'm not justifying illegal action as in the case of the pheasants. And I have always eaten every squirrel that I have ever shot if that serves as brownie points for forgiving my other wanton acts of killing. But I am not going to sanitize the act of killing wildlife by conjuring up excuses, and I am not going to try to come up with any kind of justification of shooting those rats at the dump. It I something that my primal ancestry coded into my DNA, and it is what it is.

There is a gun culture and there is a hunting culture. They are not the same and are as different as day and night. The trouble makers want to conflate the two. The hunting culture is much closer to the food culture than the gun culture.....

I stopped at a buddies cabin one time to pick him up to go to a pig-roast at another buddies cabin a few miles away. While I was there, we went back to his range, him with his cooler and me with my ML. After a few successful shots and several beers, a patched ball got rammed down the "powderless" barrel. After removing the nipple and pushing a little pyrodex in from the back side, re-installing the nipple and another cap, 3 or 4 times, we were able to get he ball to exit the bore. Lesson learned - save the beer until after the shooting. Fortunately, nobody got hurt and nothing was damaged. Another time I was sighting in my 30/06 on the range at the back of our farm, from the 100 yard bench. I walked over to the target, leaving the rifle on the sandbags, pointed down range. There was no one else around, so I assumed the it was pointed in a safe direction. When I looked back up-range, I saw a buck walk out of the brush, and right over to the bench. For a short time, he had his nose next to the muzzle. I hoped the gun was not loaded but you never know for sure, which is why you treat any gun like it is loaded. A picture flashed through my mind of him knocking the gun off the bags and it going off, hitting me. What a story that would have been. The anti-hunters would have a field day with that one "DEER SHOOTS MAN".

"Glass" hasn't been made in this country for years. The Germans/Austrians & Japanese are the masters of optical glass & have been for some time. I would bet that Leupold uses Japanese glass. Japan is in Asia too. I have a moderately priced Kales "American" series scope made in Austria. Ghe low light performance is superb. I also like the high end Nikons too. Kales is the oldest continually operating optics manufacturer in the world, since 1898. Karl Kales was killed during an air raid in WW II when the plant, that was manufacturing optics for the German war effort, was bombed.

Eerily quiet as I suspected. Lots of big talkers with great advice here..... You want to kill coyotes; get a bunch of dogs. Train them well, get GPS collars, secure permission to VAST tracs of land, wait for snow then gather a bunch of friends to seal off escape routes. You might get more than ONE a year then. Or trap; secure permission to VAST tracts of land, buy a pile of traps, gather the necessary bait, scout the farms for sign, set the traps, check the traps every 24 hours. You MIGHT get one a year until you figure out how it's done. There's a reason most guys have only killed a couple, cause they (like me) shoot them as a target of opportunity while deer hunting and even then it's darn tough. The only reason I've even killed the ones I've got is because there was snow on the ground, I doubt I'd have ever got them with bare ground. OK, I'm done. Happy New Year.

I bought the Kahr .380... which has high reviews among all the 380's... I put all of the 380's in my hands before deciding on the Kahr... I have no regrets... I added a Crossbreed inside the pants concealed carry holster and think I found the right formula for invisibility, accessibility, and comfort.

If you haven't gotten too established in NY yet, get out while you still can! If its too late, then my condolences, & welcome.

Not to add fuel to the fire, but deer dead on the ground don't prove gun accuracy. Pics of your 3-5 shot groups at 100 yards, that's more definitive. There are slug guns out there that are accurate as hell, I've seen them and own one. But I would never say it could compete with a rifle when it comes to overall accuracy. Ok, since now we've turned the OP's simple question into a six of one half dozen of the other debate, Let's be honest, everyone has their own preference for short range and thick brush weaponry. Not everyone is capable of shooting as good or poorly as the next person. Not everyone knows their guns like they should. I don't think the OP is pursuing a new gun. I think he wanted to know if he should put a scope on it, use open sights, slug recommendations, and if his barrels would work. I hope he figures out his barrel situation and can get some range time in with his gun to decipher which slug is best. And hopefully he got some good advice in here amidst all of the disagreements.

Are you offering to do their work, of which there is a lot, for free? The association would be happy to get qualified leadership that will work pro bono. None of those elected to the board by members are paid, but high level executive positions are. Can you name one major national rights organization that has unpaid leadership? Can you point to one that spends the same percentage of it's donations on it's mission? If your not NRA, you helping the anti-gun cause by refusing to support the NRA.

Karl Gundel from Tivoli wrote to the NYOD knocking Bow Hunters as being selfish , blah , blah blah . He pretty much grouped all bow hunters as being selfish and wanting the woods to themselves . This guy stated that rifle , muzzleloader and cross-bow hunters need to form an alliance against bowhunters ! Nothing like wanting to divide the hunting community ! I hunt bow , gun and ML and take offense to this dip-wads letter !

My sister is anti gun. Not the rabid in your face liberal type but the "why do you need that" head in the sand type. She often asks why I carry but its to the point where I just blow her off because there is no changing her mind. A couple years ago my nephew, her son., got into a car accident in a real bad section of town. His car had to be towed and he needed a ride. I picked up my sister and we headed out to pick him up. I intentionally drove through an even worse section of town, to get to the bad section to pick up my nephew. I remember my sister being visibly nervous and locking her car door. She finally asked me "do you have a gun on you?" I said "why do I need one?" I bring it up every time she give me crap about carrying and it sort go shuts her up.

No sleep til Brooklyn!

Very interesting history of Leupold info there. A million lbs. of aluminum used a year and long standing employment of Americans. I think I will look at Leupold the next time I need a scope.

I'll just leave this here. http://bearingarms.com/yes-democrats-want-ban-guns-heres-law-theyve-proposed/ Meanwhile, these guns would be most useful if all of this comes to pass, apparently with Democrat approval. Happy New Year!

But the fact remains that they have no better service than Leupold & from what I have seen the quality of the Diamondback is not up to a similarly priced Leupold. So why support a 100% Chinese made products that is the same price? America’s Optics Authority Leupold & Stevens is a fifth generation, family owned company that has been in business for 108 years and employs over 650 American workers. All Leupold Golden Ring® Riflescopes are designed, machined, assembled, and tested in Leupold’s state of the art manufacturing facility in Beaverton, Oregon, USA. Leupold uses over one million pounds of aluminum, amounting to over 100 miles of extrusion, in its facility every year and has the largest installation of Index Turning Centers West of the Mississippi River. The current average tenure of Leupold’s all-American workforce is approximately eleven years, with the longest tenured employees being on staff for over four decades. Leupold & Stevens pioneered such ubiquitous technologies as waterproof scopes, side focus parallax adjustment, compact riflescopes, and the Duplex® reticle. Each Leupold Golden Ring Riflescope model, from the least expensive Rifleman® to the industry leading VX-6 must pass Leupold’s uniquely punishing durability testing, which no other competitive scope brand or model has ever consistently passed, regardless of price or country of origin. Leupold’s Golden Ring Lifetime Guarantee is the standard by which all other customer service agreements in the sports optics industry are judged, and is the industry leader today, after over 60 years in use. Leupold uses foreign sourced components for some parts of Golden Ring products, primarily lenses. This is because at this time, there is no American manufacturer that can supply the quantity of high quality lenses that Leupold needs for its annual Golden Ring Optics production. Leupold’s lens systems are designed at Leupold, by American optical engineers, in its state-of -the-art optics lab and then procured from outside vendors who must meet stringent quality standards. Incoming parts are carefully inspected in our testing facility before they are accepted into the assembly process. Incidentally, all major optics producers worldwide acquire some or all of their glass from the same sources as Leupold. Some of these sources are located domestically, some are European, and some are Asian. Leupold has acquired its lenses this way for over 50 years. As Frederick Leupold said: The Customer is entitled to a square deal. These are the words Leupold has lived by for over a century and continues to live by today.

Thanks for bringing us back to the OP's question, his gun, how to set it up. I thought I, and others, focused on that. The rifle issue/discussion, tho' interesting, wasn't part of his question.

Evercalm. goes for about $19.95 at DICKs and looks like a deodorant case . I have never had any luck with it but that's just me .

It's Wednesday, Chinese night. Beef and snow peas, yum.

Bought a pair of vortex binos from Cabelas on clearance a few years back...first time I used them in my winter 3d archery league the eye piece cracked off...cabelas said n they didn't have anymore in stock so they would refund my money ..called vortex, had a shipping label emailed to me and had them back within the week. Outstanding customer service Imo. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

Remington is still a company? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've been using a Master Forge from Lowes for years now. It's dark green and sort of pill capsule shaped. It's charcoal. Got it for Fathers Days awhile back. Same exact thing in a Weber is $300 .This was $50. I use it all year long, leave it in the driveway and shovel around it. I use it a lot. I have no problems using wood. One full chimney gets me 200-225 degrees. I'll toss a handful of more coals midway thru smoking when I toss another handful of wood chips. Venison, pork tenderloins, wings, beer can chicken, wild turkey breasts wrapped in bacon, sausage, almonds, salmon. You name it and I've smoked it. Not sure how other smokers work but I love this plane Jane one from Lowes. I've gotten to point now where I no longer need to stay home and guess if it needs wood chips or more coals etc. You get a feel to when things are done. It's almost impossible to oversmoke foods too. Dang underscore !! At least I didn't post a sideways pic

So they are selling a single shot M700 with a ramrod for $1000? There's a sucker born every minute. Just buy a used M700 in 458 WIN Mag, cut off some 458 Win Mag cases & then load it from the muzzle. With the brass sized properly, there's no reason you couldn't use smokeless powder either. Why mess with pellets?

You guys are making this tough on me.......................... $40 takes all four, shipped to your door. I will be donating the $40 I get for these (if you guys buy them!) and matching it for a total donation of $80 to the NYDove Hunting ad fund for the 2016 NYS Hunting syllabus. If nobody wants them, I'll list them elsewhere on the net. Just thought I'd give it a shot here.

Don't ignore the other flank of the attack: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/California-Gun-Law-Seize-Guns-Without/2015/12/30/id/707588/ No-knock raids for removal of firearms from law-abiding citizens has essentially been given an okay in CA. The Republic will prevail in the end, but it's going to be a real chit-storm in the interim.

They closed their doors about ten years ago after a nice family-owned run of about 40 years. Ken-Bailey area, and the neighborhood 'diversity' got to be too much. I lived around the corner and left at about the same time, but I still keep in touch with the Anacone family. Nice people. Hand-carved roast beef sandwich with the 'weck lightly dipped in au-jus, for about 3 bucks. I ate a lot of them in the 20 years that I was there.

The real question is, do they earn their money? I don't see the members calling for their resignations.

I grow and make my own....I can breath nicely for a week after...lol...I remember the first batch I ever made back in 1980...It was in my Oster blender. I ground it up well then promptly took the top off and leaned over the opening to look in...HOLY CRAP!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Evercalm.....probably the only scent I will ever spend money on again, I'm convinced it works.....but like you said it's not an attractant.

ERNST SEEDS Wholesale Price List - 2015 http://www.ernstseed.com/files/documents/2015-wholesale-pricelist.pdf 800-873-3321 Here in NY CAve-in-rock is a good choice but it is not that tall 3-5 feet. But the price is right. If you have a real low spot....I like Blackwell as its 5-7 feet tall and sets a 5-10 foot tap root. iT DOES WITHSTAND YEARLY FLOODING I grow both on the property. The price is really good and you just have to be patient with switchgrass but once established lasts for at least 20 years if you do some periodic maintenance. I have 1 plot over 20 years and is still in great shape. One year during a drought I let a neighbor cut it the last week in july and he got over 10 tons per acre. The next year it came back even stronger. IF you want to plant it this spring buy it soon and leave it in the garage/barn/outbuilding. The cold will stratify the seed and improve germination

Ok, I hope you can see these pics. Top right is when I just got this buck out of the ravine. Top left is my buck hanging from camp porch , only one with horns..Look closely and you will see the slug tap on him right shoulder. ==================================================================================================== Middle right hanging was a 6 point I got the previous year. Middle left is inside the camp cutting up the limburger cheese. ==================================================================================================== Bottom right is the end of one of our opening days. Bottom left was a great day before me and my buddy started back home. We had filled all our tags. =================================================================================================== Froggy

I am a beer snob also..I only drink COLD... Unless I can't get cold, then I'll settle for COOL... Unless I can't get cool, then I'll settle for AMBIENT TEMP... Unless I can't get ambient temp, then I'll settle for PISS WARM... I draw the line at HOT, however...After all, I AM fussy about what beer I drink...

I specifically requested the thread not become a debate on high fence. I was simply looking for input on my equipment. I've always wanted to shoot one with my bow. The opportunity came along, so I took it. I'm not trying to portray it as something it wasn't.

Since when were hunters allowed to hunt with 30 rounds. Even here in free America you cannot hunt with more than 5 in the mag. Secondly most guys hunting deer like myself don't use 223. You sound like one of the a wholes who make your laws. Ar's come in many calibers, mines 30 cal spits 150 gr nosler bt 2600 fps . .67 groups at 100 yds. Reloads.today's offfering for that kind of performance in a bolt gun cost a lot and quality of said bolt guns are crap.